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Post by mrholmes on Oct 9, 2021 14:43:04 GMT -6
I would say in 9 of 10 cases I fall back on the 1176 for LV. Every time I swear to use something different, but in the end it's 1176. I think It's too fast for a slow song, but every LV has some fast transients.
To my surprise, I have the impression the 1176 is a little depended on his feed? It's a feedback compressor ? - Jesus, I should know this but - grrr...
Keen to know which tool you guys love for LVs most often....
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Post by ragan on Oct 9, 2021 14:55:16 GMT -6
I’m not sure I’ve ever tracked a lead vocal that didn’t have 1176 on it at one stage or another. I love that clamp.
Edit: I did have a phase where I was leaning on a Distressor more than 1176. Back to 1176 (followed by opto) these days.
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Post by Ward on Oct 9, 2021 15:24:46 GMT -6
I use a 76 on every single vocal. Usually in conjunction with a CL1b, V-Comp or LA2a.
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 9, 2021 16:30:42 GMT -6
I like tracking my vocal with an 1176. But When mixing I lean on LA3A or LA2A or a tube comp instead.
usually Waves CLA3A or DDMF Magic Death Eye.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 9, 2021 16:37:09 GMT -6
Interesting. I use LA-2A style way more often tracking vocals. In my case an AudioScape version. Maybe it’s a taste thing? I like the slow attack. I also enjoy singing with the slow release, I think it’s just fun and kind of like working the mic live.
But I often chain compression on my vocal mixes and an 1176 plug is always on there.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 9, 2021 16:40:39 GMT -6
I have never used an 1176 for a vocal, FWIW. Pretty sure. I have used Distressors in series long ago, closest thing here, not that they react identically. Think I tried an FC526 and it was cool, but haven’t been back.
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Post by jaba on Oct 9, 2021 16:57:36 GMT -6
Love me an 1176 for any type of rock vocals but it's just a great all-arounder so can work on most vocals if need be. On analog mixes, 95% of the time it'll likely be that or an LA3A, the 3A being the go to for less intense performances.
Either way, I find both are great to track through was well. Sometimes I'll track with a bit of 1176, knowing I'll likely use the 3A come mix time.
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Post by bradd on Oct 9, 2021 16:57:40 GMT -6
I usually track my lead vocal with an LA2A, but it always ends up getting an 1176 in the mix.
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Post by deif on Oct 9, 2021 19:23:22 GMT -6
A long time ago I heard that the only compressor my favorite producer/mixer/engineer ever used was an 1176 set to slowest attack, fastest release, 4:1 ratio and I’ve stuck to that ever since. Maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not but it works for me and it’s one less thing to worry about when all that really matters is the song.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 9, 2021 20:37:22 GMT -6
I tried it, but the 1176 always sounded like using the tone controls on a Fender amp to me. I use LA2A style compressors when I do vocals. I prefer 1176's on acoustic guitars, it tucks them into the track better than anything else I've tried.
Oh, welcome to the forum deif!
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Post by ericn on Oct 9, 2021 21:39:59 GMT -6
I have never used an 1176 for a vocal, FWIW. Pretty sure. I have used Distressors in series long ago, closest thing here, not that they react identically. Think I tried an FC526 and it was cool, but haven’t been back. Yeah but let’s just admit Doug your ummm a little strange ( that’s a compliment my friend) when I had 2 Purple 76’s I never “fell back” They were my starting and most of the time my end point. Warm was a starting point but while it got the “ dynamic part” the tone never quite put the same smile on my face.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 9, 2021 23:44:46 GMT -6
I tried it, but the 1176 always sounded like using the tone controls on a Fender amp to me. I use LA2A style compressors when I do vocals. I prefer 1176's on acoustic guitars, it tucks them into the track better than anything else I've tried. Oh, welcome to the forum deif! One of the most interesting posts ever. I hate 1176 and other hw comps on acoustics. I prefer a plug in, a free one named Buttercomp by Airwindows.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 9, 2021 23:57:56 GMT -6
I tried it, but the 1176 always sounded like using the tone controls on a Fender amp to me. I use LA2A style compressors when I do vocals. I prefer 1176's on acoustic guitars, it tucks them into the track better than anything else I've tried. Oh, welcome to the forum deif! One of the most interesting posts ever. I hate 1176 and other hw comps on acoustics. I prefer a plug in, a free one named Buttercomp by Airwindows. I’m more likely to use something 1176-like on acoustic, if it needs a sparkly edge to replace the transients in a pop mix.
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 10, 2021 0:43:59 GMT -6
For me, it somewhat depends on the year. It's been a little while since I've owned any 1176 hardware, and try as nearly every developer has, I still don't think anyone has nailed it in software. So it definitely hasn't been a given to use an 1176 over here for a good while now. When I have the hardware, it touches the LV maybe 60-70% of the time.
But if I'm tracking myself, I prefer an LA-2A on the way in, anyway. Fewer variables to distract my mind from the performance. Hoping to get an Audioscape 76 variant at some point, but lately I keep buying Rickenbackers instead.
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Post by christophert on Oct 10, 2021 0:49:23 GMT -6
Sta Level (my fave). Sometimes with a distressor in the front doing a little bit of pre work. LA2a - too grabby.
Never a 1176 for me either, but then I have only owned original F series. Maybe some of the other 1176 series would suit, but the F's seem a little dirty to track with. I do have a MC77, which is a little cleaner but never felt the desire to track vocals with it. I love tubes for tracking vocals and mixing, they impart a beautiful largeness I have 2 BG2's on their way - looking forward to using these as my main vocal tracking and mixing comps.
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Post by theshea on Oct 10, 2021 1:17:07 GMT -6
i am always tracking vocals with the stam adg76 on pepper settings. 2-3db of GR on quieter voices, 5-10db of Gr on louder voices. thats more or less my standard when tracking. come mixing time lately i am compressing vocals with the MJUC mk1 timing setting 2 on comp. bit of overdrive. its a one knob operation arter that: turning the big compress knob until the vocal sits in the track, bit of finetuning with the timbre - done. sounds thick and nice. granted, i don‘t do clean radio pop or trap.
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Post by deif on Oct 10, 2021 8:09:09 GMT -6
Oh, welcome to the forum deif! Thanks! I've been a lurker for a few months.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 10, 2021 8:47:57 GMT -6
For me, it somewhat depends on the year. It's been a little while since I've owned any 1176 hardware, and try as nearly every developer has, I still don't think anyone has nailed it in software. So it definitely hasn't been a given to use an 1176 over here for a good while now. When I have the hardware, it touches the LV maybe 60-70% of the time.
But if I'm tracking myself, I prefer an LA-2A on the way in, anyway. Fewer variables to distract my mind from the performance. Hoping to get an Audioscape 76 variant at some point, but lately I keep buying Rickenbackers instead. Depending on the source material the PAMC77 or the BRA76 reacts and sounds a lot like my hardware 76s. Like someone said, they pin the transients down....
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Post by Ward on Oct 10, 2021 8:51:21 GMT -6
For me, it somewhat depends on the year. It's been a little while since I've owned any 1176 hardware, and try as nearly every developer has, I still don't think anyone has nailed it in software. So it definitely hasn't been a given to use an 1176 over here for a good while now. When I have the hardware, it touches the LV maybe 60-70% of the time.
But if I'm tracking myself, I prefer an LA-2A on the way in, anyway. Fewer variables to distract my mind from the performance. Hoping to get an Audioscape 76 variant at some point, but lately I keep buying Rickenbackers instead. Coincidentally, I keep buying audioscape 76s and do not yet have a Rick bass. Maybe we can do a trade.
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Post by Ward on Oct 10, 2021 8:58:24 GMT -6
For me, it somewhat depends on the year. It's been a little while since I've owned any 1176 hardware, and try as nearly every developer has, I still don't think anyone has nailed it in software. So it definitely hasn't been a given to use an 1176 over here for a good while now. When I have the hardware, it touches the LV maybe 60-70% of the time.
But if I'm tracking myself, I prefer an LA-2A on the way in, anyway. Fewer variables to distract my mind from the performance. Hoping to get an Audioscape 76 variant at some point, but lately I keep buying Rickenbackers instead. Depending on the source material the PAMC77 or the BRA76 reacts and sounds a lot like my hardware 76s. Like someone said, they pin the transients down.... Knowing what each does, or how each variant works...result wise, will help you make decisions. Snares? 1176 Revision FBass? 1176 Revision DRock Vocals? 1176 Revision ARoom mics? Nothing beats the D. Electric Guitars? Either the D or I prefer a 500 series LA3aBut back to vocals. Rock Metal, A Pop/Country, F Alt-Americana, D Blues, D Show, Op, serious, F JMHO, YMMV. Everyone has their own preferences and NOBODY is the be-all and end-all! And I'm learning every day.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 10, 2021 9:26:49 GMT -6
(QUOTE) But back to vocals. Rock Metal, A Pop/Country, F Alt-Americana, D Blues, D Show, Op, serious, F JMHO, YMMV. Everyone has their own preferences and NOBODY is the be-all and end-all! And I'm learning every day. [/quote] Wow! Limiting each Genre, to a specific key. Makes it easier on the band. Chris
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Post by EmRR on Oct 10, 2021 9:47:32 GMT -6
(QUOTE) But back to vocals. Rock Metal, A Pop/Country, F Alt-Americana, D Blues, D Show, Op, serious, F JMHO, YMMV. Everyone has their own preferences and NOBODY is the be-all and end-all! And I'm learning every day. Wow! Limiting each Genre, to a specific key. Makes it easier on the band. Chris [/quote] Cheaper fret jobs, maybe even fewer strings
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Post by Guitar on Oct 10, 2021 10:36:01 GMT -6
Not very often on my own voice, no reason. I usually use MJUC and RVox, or maybe just an SSL channel. Maaaybe an LA2A plugin once in a while.
But I'm mixing a punk rock record and this combo was too relaxed for the material. I put in the UAD 1176A, and the vocal came right to the front where it needed to be.
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Post by Ward on Oct 10, 2021 13:16:05 GMT -6
(QUOTE) But back to vocals. Rock Metal, A Pop/Country, F Alt-Americana, D Blues, D Show, Op, serious, F JMHO, YMMV. Everyone has their own preferences and NOBODY is the be-all and end-all! And I'm learning every day. Wow! Limiting each Genre, to a specific key. Makes it easier on the band. Chris [/quote] LMAO . . . Touché!!
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Post by Ward on Oct 10, 2021 13:17:18 GMT -6
Wow! Limiting each Genre, to a specific key. Makes it easier on the band. Chris Cheaper fret jobs, maybe even fewer strings RIGHT? LOL!!
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