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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 16, 2014 9:32:35 GMT -6
Thanks for the links --- so you could do a DU67 PCB ($55) with AMI transformer ($110) and mouser BOM ($48), and be somewhere around $215 before tube, capsule, power supply. My guess would be that the IOaudio version would result in a closer replica, but it's nice to know there's some options. ...FYI, Poctop's (Dany Bouchard) clone offerings are taken directly from original historic schematics...they are top-class!...please don't assume because one costs more than the other that it qualifies as a "closer replica" (not the case)...remember, Dany's DU67 has been around for over 2 years now, and there are dozens (maybe hundreds) of Poctop's 67 clones out there, many owned by pro engineers who also own originals...nothing but stellar reviews...if built employing a top q uality capsule, they are stellar!...I own the prototype of his M269c (subminiature tube variation on the U67) and it is simply exquisite (with re-skinned Neumann capsule)...it should be noted, all of Poctop's tube mic PCB kits include the proper PSU boards as well as the microphone PCBs... ...I also own the prototype of his M49b...both mics are truly high-quality recreations of the classics...don't forget, it was Poctop's boards that were chosen by Oliver Archut (RIP) for use in his own AMI/TAB-Funkenwerks tube mic clones...that's about as high a recommendation as I can imagine...shortly after Oliver's passing, Dany issued his "Tribute D-EF47" which they had been working on together, employing an NOS Telefunken EF800 tube, which was Oliver's choice for the U47 clone... groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=56878.0...Both Dany and Max offer top-quality kits, so you can't go wrong with either... Right on --- I didn't mean to diminish the authenticity or quality of dany's board. I was really just thinking about the ioaudio transformers that come with the more expensive chunger kit vs doing the budget build with an ami transformer. I understand max's bv12 to be extremely close replicas to the original. Although I believe max stills sells them separately and they fit one of dany's boards, so that would be another option.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 14, 2014 22:56:42 GMT -6
I just had to explain to my wife why I was singing a Britney Spears song... she didn't buy it.
Nice score btw. I'm jealous.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 14, 2014 12:56:07 GMT -6
Lookin good! Great idea using the slant racks btw.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 13, 2014 13:14:18 GMT -6
Looks cool -- I think Darth Vader might have had one in his Tie Fighter. Looking forward to checking out samples....
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 13, 2014 13:11:22 GMT -6
these kits are put together so well its ridiculous, it took me a little over 1 hour to get it where you see it in that picture, thats crazy 8) Nice -- these do look pretty easy (especially after having just done an LC53a). Hope I can get started on my pair today.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 19:45:57 GMT -6
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a passive switch box, but I'm sure a patch bay would be the best long term solution. I've just been hesitant since it seems overkill right now, and all my dsubs and other cables are XLR. Do you just plug your mics right into the patchbay with XLR to TRS adapters? i have a xlr/1/4" mic/line in panel i made for my rack, it goes to the patchbay. Gotcha -- thanks.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 19:09:47 GMT -6
Now I just gotta figure out how to hook up the VP28's so I can easily switch from bus duties to preamp. use a patchbay brotha I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a passive switch box, but I'm sure a patch bay would be the best long term solution. I've just been hesitant since it seems overkill right now, and all my dsubs and other cables are XLR. Do you just plug your mics right into the patchbay with XLR to TRS adapters?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 16:34:18 GMT -6
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 14:35:53 GMT -6
Thanks for the links --- so you could do a DU67 PCB ($55) with AMI transformer ($110) and mouser BOM ($48), and be somewhere around $215 before tube, capsule, power supply. My guess would be that the IOaudio version would result in a closer replica, but it's nice to know there's some options. This is what poctop said on GDIY regarding the AMI vs BV12 transformers: "I would say that the U67 sounds awsome with both traffo , to me the U67 sounds like the in between the U47 and the U87 sounds but with the Tube sounds as a creamer. i would say that IOaudio Transfo is more on the U47 side and the AMI on the 87 side both i really love both"
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 12:32:29 GMT -6
Edited my post above, but not fast enough.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 12:24:54 GMT -6
I'm actually shocked it's this cheap. .. I was expecting it to be closer to the mku47. Maybe I'm missing something.... but the equivalent u47 kit is $300: store.studio939.com/product/ioaudio-mk47-bare-bones-kitI think the total build for the u47 is more because you need two tubes, and I think a lot of people were doing more expensive bodies and capsules. Anyway, my reference point is really the C12 clone, which I believe had less parties involved, so it makes sense that there would be less total markup. Whatever the case, I'm enormously grateful for the efforts of the guys who put so much work into these designs, and sourcing parts, etc. Can't wait to hear clips, and eventually build one myself (as well as the u47).
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 12:12:18 GMT -6
Did you order from chunger? I actually ordered direct from Eric. He's a great guy to deal with. Cool -- I keep forgetting Eric is local to me here in NC -- maybe he'll be amenable to meeting up and letting me hear some of his capsules, especially now that the U67 clone parts are available, and Eric has the hk-67 which I believe is $250 (compared to $550 for the neumann/senn).
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 12:06:09 GMT -6
The U67 clone kit is available from Chunger's store now: store.studio939.com/product/ioaudio-mk67-bare-bones-kitBuild Thread: groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=57797.0Pricing has gone up a good bit compared to previous offerings: $425 for the PCB, board level components, and transformer. You'll still need: Power Supply: $60 Mic Body: $148 Tube: $50? Capsule: $250 (Heiserman) - $550 (neumann/senn) So total will be ~$950 - $1250 I'm sure I'll build one of these sooner or later, but the cost is scaring me off a bit for now, although I'm sure it's worth every penny.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 10:35:29 GMT -6
Did you order from chunger?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 10:04:45 GMT -6
Fancy pants rendering. Neato.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 12, 2014 10:01:34 GMT -6
I almost always parallel compressor overheads with UAD transient designer to increase cymbal sustain. Picked that up from a Joe Barresi interview.
I also sometimes use it to reduce acoustic or bass guitar pick attack.
I love the simplicity of it...And supposedly the UAD plugin nails the HW version, which I've never used.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 11, 2014 13:59:00 GMT -6
Ok - so we get the point. Obviously, there are two different outlooks on how this guy should put up clips. This is turning into exactly what I hated about GS. SO - we aren't going to argue about it anymore. If you have any questions, ask them. Didn't see this until after I posted the last time... hopefully my comment was constructive, as it was intended. If not, please remove. Thanks.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 11, 2014 13:57:41 GMT -6
I know it's not your intention, but drastic volume differences in product demos reeks of 'audio chicanery'.... you might want to add some clarifying statements within the video if you don't want to immediately turn people off of the product. To be fair, we did. It is explained in the video itself, in the description and in depth in the comments. Either way, the fact that people automatically jump to the conclusion that big differences in volume (RMS) is a parlor trick, shows that they are simply not paying attention or quite frankly thinking. The unit specifically aims to increase RMS and says so from the very beginning. The fact that people then get upset and say "The samples are nonsense because the processed ones sound louder" is frankly absurd. It is exactly what the unit is meant to do! Demanding that we remove that or compensate for that is exactly the same as demanding that a chef remove all the seasoning and technique put into his food so they can accurately judge it. I think you're missing my point... since the unit is capable of a variety of effects, you might consider adding some clarifying text to each audio example... i.e. "Anemic Mix..... Notice the increased RMS level while maintaining peak levels, etc." (Maybe check out the KUSH videos to see what I mean: www.thehouseofkush.com/#!ubk-videos/cwaa). I think this would alleviate the confusion that people are experiencing with the level differences. The fact is that people are used to hearing level matched comparisons, and that is working against you. IMO, the information presented on the video and website does not sufficiently address this issue; hence, all of the complaints/accusations/etc. It looks like a fantastic piece of gear, and I would love to try one out. But I think you would do well to consider the response that the video is eliciting, and not just assume that people aren't "thinking" or "paying attention." I hope you sell a bunch of them.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 11, 2014 12:56:20 GMT -6
In the end, I have to get my hands on it and use it for my own music to see if it makes a difference or not. So then any manufactures may feel free at any time to send me gear to try Agreed -- please send one to cowboycoalminer so he can evaluate and report back
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 11, 2014 12:38:04 GMT -6
I listened through the 'enhancing an anemic mix' part, and the huge level difference makes it pretty difficult to tell how the box is actually affecting the audio. Why not post some short wav files so people can import into their DAW and compare in whatever way is most meaningful to them? Btw, it seems like a cool box, and I would be in the market for something like this, but I would need more to go on than the demo video. I do have to ask though, why is it that most companies don't do samples at all yet people buy the gear? We put a lot of effort into creating samples and a video and it seems that it has created more of a hassle in a sense than if we simply hadn't made any at all. It's almost as if people complain more about samples not being in the genre they work in, not being done how they would do them, not being in the format they want etc than not having them at all. That isn't a criticism but simply something that I have been perplexed by. I think new companies are rightfully going to be the subject of greater scrutiny and must bear the burden of proving the value of their products. If this box came from manley or great river, no would would need samples. I know it's not your intention, but drastic volume differences in product demos reeks of 'audio chicanery'.... you might want to add some clarifying statements within the video if you don't want to immediately turn people off of the product.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 11, 2014 12:14:46 GMT -6
I listened through the 'enhancing an anemic mix' part, and the huge level difference makes it pretty difficult to tell how the box is actually affecting the audio. Why not post some short wav files so people can import into their DAW and compare in whatever way is most meaningful to them?
Btw, it seems like a cool box, and I would be in the market for something like this, but I would need more to go on than the demo video.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 10, 2014 15:56:52 GMT -6
Gotcha -- so could you add a 3rd/4th bay to the bottom while keeping the top the same size?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 10, 2014 15:24:55 GMT -6
Shoot, I'm aiming for 6 weeks. 6 weeks! Sounds like a nice Christmas present
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 10, 2014 15:23:21 GMT -6
Sweet. Looking forward to seeing it. Thinking about the layout a bit more...I really blew it. Should have made it bigger. Still not going to have enough rack space! Sorry to hear that -- so you're making it double width like a Plan A?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 9, 2014 10:12:33 GMT -6
Hey mdmitch2, you convinced me to pick up some lumber tonight! I built the frame today and painted it along with some brackets to mount the racks to the frame. I decided to add an additional 16 spaces under the rack in the frame and ordered the parts I need. I'll post a fresh thread with some build pics, additional info, and the finished product. Sweet. Looking forward to seeing it.
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