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Post by svart on Jul 14, 2022 9:29:24 GMT -6
I actually went from a gaming keyboard to a smaller form factor keyboard because I was using more key modifiers than programed macros. I also found that I like a trackball much, much more than a mouse when editing audio. I greatly prefer the Kensington Orbit Scroll Ring trackball. The scroll ring made all the difference in the world for me because a single key modifier on the keyboard in addition to the scroll ring can do all kinds of things. One key can modify the scroll to be horizontal. Another key can make it vertical. Another can make it zoom vertically while another can make it zoom horizontally, and so forth. I also switched my keyboard to a solar one because I hate having to change batteries, lol.
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Post by svart on Jul 14, 2022 9:19:32 GMT -6
I agree with Svart, the LYD's just sound "normal" yet detailed or flat enough to translate and spot issues. Although, I don't consider normality to be their downside, if it sounds right on those it will usually translate across a wide medium because they're directly relatable.
Ultimately though I preferred certain elements of both and in a perfect world I'd combine them. LMF detail could be better with the DYN's and the KH310's did a better job representing that portion, I will say for me the Dynaudio Core 59's were several steps above both of them. It took three months to make a decision, some of it due to delays or money but in the end I bought the Core 59's and they should last me a few decades.
Those are more or less the same observations I had comparing the Lyd to the KH310. I think I prefer the mids and highs on the Lyds, but the lows on the KH310. This is why I've been considering the idea of keeping the Lyds and getting a sub to help out with the lows. It would still be cheaper than the KH310s. If you were forced to pick between the Lyds and KH310s, which way would you go? I thought about the Core 59s, but ultimately decided it was more than I wanted to spend. If I ever do decide to spend that kind of money, I think I'm going to be looking directly at the ATC SCM25A. Those seem like they would check all of the boxes for me. Maybe one day... Go with what you know. If you like the dynaudio sound and it works for you, but you just need a little more of it, then go for the Lyds. Knowing what works is worth more than trying to find a unicorn. From how you describe the difficulty in identifying any major selling points between them, they're likely going to give you similar results in the long run. Of course, the downside is never really knowing if you're missing out on something because your ears have been used to the Dynaudio sound for so long it just sounds "normal".
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Post by svart on Jul 14, 2022 9:10:04 GMT -6
I should also say that it's quite a dichotomy in the audio world. You read so many suggestions about how "less is more" that cover so many facets in all stages of production yet when you watch the people actually doing the lion's share of work in the industry they just pile stuff on everything.
Going back to the vocal reverb thing, I watched a video of a guy doing a mix for a band I have used as comp material for my own mixes because I like the band and I think the production quality was great. I always wanted to know how he got the main vocals to sit in the mix so well.
The answer was nuking them with two compressors, two sets of EQ, two reverbs and a delay. Yeah, solo'd it sounded strange but in the mix it was flawless. In the mix he also dropped other stuff on the busses like distortions, more reverbs, etc. Some of them were just there to "add something" and barely did anything at all, but the totality of all the stuff adding up was where the magic happened.
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Post by svart on Jul 14, 2022 6:55:45 GMT -6
It's not the reverb. Plenty of hits made with plugs.
If you watch a lot of pros, they usually layer many delays and reverbs together for vocals. It's not uncommon to have a short slap-type delay, a ping-pong delay, an ambient reverb and a longer plate all on the vocals at the same time. Layering like this gives you something that no single reverb can do.
We're not in the business of absolute reality. We're in the business of the illusion of realism and that tends to mean drastic measures to create "more real than real".
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Post by svart on Jul 13, 2022 7:48:22 GMT -6
"Please note that this plugin requires significant CPU resources, especially at higher sample rates"
I mean, it sounds good. But so do a lot of IR reverbs. I might get a trial, but I can't see buying it if it limits other plug usage or track numbers.
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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2022 17:11:55 GMT -6
So I'm going to give the Neumann's some more time to burn in over the next 24 hours but, at first glance, I think the Lyds sound better. I like the midrange presentation on the Lyds better, as in I feel like I'm maybe hearing more of the mids. I like the highs better on the Lyds and that could maybe just come down to the fact that's it's a very similar sound to me since I already have Dynaudio monitors with soft dome tweeters. I think the Lyds are punchier. The Lyds sound more 3D. I do think the Neumann's maybe sound a little tighter in the lows, which I imagine is because of the sealed cabinet. Now I just have to decide why I think I'm liking the Lyds better. Is it because the Lyds are just better monitors and I'm hearing the music come through better or is it because the Lyds are hyping things and the Neumann's just sound comparatively not as good (boring?) because they are actually the flatter, more honest monitor? Most likely you're used to the dynaudio sound first and foremost so it sounds most "normal". But the only real test is which one gives you a better result in translation and/or faster problem resolution.
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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2022 15:56:06 GMT -6
Would love to hear a mix done before and after the unit to give an objective critique of whether the box makes a difference to someone not invested in it..
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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2022 10:24:08 GMT -6
Weren't you using the REW software or something?
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Post by svart on Jul 11, 2022 14:08:30 GMT -6
Wow, just went to restock my tape locker and a 1/4” SM900 master tape is now $96, used to be about $65 I believe. ATR is now a bit cheaper at $86. I’ve tried ATR in the past and did not like the sound as much as SM900 but I know many people prefer it. Does anyone know if the ATR is a similar formulation to SM900 (which I believe is basically GP9? Could be wrong about that)…my machine is set up for SM900 which may (or may not) explain why I didn’t like the ATR I've only used 456 or 911 on my machines, so I'm not really sure how ATR Master might stack up. It looks like 900 is much higher output rated and has a thicker oxide than ATR Master. I wonder if that's why you didn't like ATR before, maybe you were hitting it a little too hard if your machine was biased +9 for SM900? But one consideration other than signal.. ATR seems to be pretty notorious for being dirty. Shedding new oxide seems to be a big issue and the usual answer is run the tape through a few times and then clean the heads before recording. Seems a little ridiculous to me.
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Post by svart on Jul 11, 2022 8:06:20 GMT -6
Wowee. You hear stories of things vaporizing around high power transmitters, stir up enough dust in the air and you’ll make an arc path. I found an old 120AC run through the roof to where there’d been a lit sign, just hanging out in an uncovered box with wire nuts. Killed every breaker I could get away with (most unmarked). Much of the insulation was cracked and gone in spots. Couldn’t measure voltage outside, cut it at the roofline so I could pull it through from the attic. I stayed paranoid and cut the outside edge wires one at a time, twisted it 90, cut the middle. Sure enough, live wire! Either had a full break (doubtful) or corrosion/dirt was so high it wouldn’t read. A few years ago during the last depression when copper was at an all-time high, we had tons of local reports of people trying to cut through various cables to steal the copper. Lots of vacant houses got looted and a few of the geniuses tried to cut through the 220 mains at the meters (which is funny because those are mostly aluminum conductors) and either killing themselves or catching the houses on fire. A few geniuses tried to break into a substation and cut something and they turned to plasma and then to dust. Honestly I'm scared to death of HV and HC circuits. I used to be a member of boy scouts where the leaders were all linemen. A lot of them had missing fingers and/or severe scarring or knew folks who had been "bitten" by the lines. Seems that back in the 70s and 80s it was a right of passage in the industry to be "bitten" at some point. Geeze.
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Post by svart on Jul 11, 2022 7:41:28 GMT -6
I once told a guy to double check that he disconnected the auxiliary battery in the truck he was working on before removing some wire. The wire was 10 or 12 gauge I think.
Anyway, he gave me an eyeroll and a "yeah yeah I know what I'm doing" as he squeezed those cutters.
A blinding light and an ear-piercing ZZZZZZTTTT later, those wires (despite being 10-12 gauge) had turned to plasma and then dust and the cutters were reduced to just the handles.
It's amazing that a lead-calcium 8-D gel cell can dump about 800A so quickly and still remain usable. You can't do that with lithium-Ion because they'll pop and catch fire.
Anyway, dude was fine because the cutters took all the current but I'm pretty sure he shit himself because he voluntarily left for the day before the bosses could send him home. Amazingly he kept his job, but he was responsible for rewiring the whole harness that had been destroyed along with the main wires.
Even if he had just cut one at a time he would have been fine (still dangerous to cut live wires like this but it wouldn't have done this..).
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Post by svart on Jul 9, 2022 19:58:03 GMT -6
Bought a busted 6 slot lunchbox on eBay for 200$.
Had it fixed in an hour.
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Post by svart on Jul 8, 2022 11:10:25 GMT -6
Again you have to understand the 8ohm speaker isn’t always an 8 ohm speaker it’s a “n nominal rated at 8 ohms” the actual impendance is all over the place vs Frequency. True. However, it's usually the lowest impedance (closest to short) that should always be considered because we're not matching frequencies, we're matching power transfer. As others have stated, running a lower numerical source impedance into a higher numerical impedance is fine. This is because the load reflected back to the power tubes is less than expected. As others have stated, running a higher numerical source impedance into a lower numerical impedance is not OK because the load reflected back to the power tubes is more than expected. If the load impedance doubles (expecting 8 ohms but driving 4 ohms) then the power through the transformer will double as well and can burn the transformer out. It can also burn out output tubes as well but probably less of a chance.
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Crave EQ
Jul 8, 2022 7:02:53 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by svart on Jul 8, 2022 7:02:53 GMT -6
Unless they model an aspect of saturation or tube/transformer I/O aren’t all these cookbook DSP EQ’s the same? Yes they have different GUI’s, features and workflows (which is important) but sound wise well …. I managed to null to total silence my expensive Sonnox Oxford EQ3 to the stock EQ in Cubase. So much for the Sonnox having a great sound! I should try nulling Pro 3 and Equilibrium to the Cubase stock EQ - they will portably null too. I would think the only difference would be how much distortion/harmonics are added, but that should be a measurable effect and should leave residuals after nulling. Sometimes they're frequency dependant too. Did you use an audio track for nulling, or something like a sine wave?
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Crave EQ
Jul 7, 2022 17:00:08 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 17:00:08 GMT -6
I use it for my normal EQ needs on everything. I still use the first version too. I didn't really like the GUI of the second version.
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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 14:13:47 GMT -6
Well, I'm thinking of a backup generator for myself. One of those tropical storms came up through the gulf and knocked my power out for 5 days. Would have been nice to have some power, but thankfully it was in fall so it wasn't uncomfortable, but it got me thinking about being a lot more self-sufficient. I also wondered if folks (not you in particular) who have claimed texas should have had windmill heaters (not installed because, you know, texas..) and tons of backup systems for a thousand-year storm and a once-in-a-lifetime grid failure also have backup systems installed in their own properties. I'm all for self sufficiency, but it often takes money to make that happen, and the people who tended to be the most adversely effected (as is usually the case in these kinds of situations) by that winter storm were the kind of people who couldn't afford a backup generator even if they wanted one or, in many cases, don't even own a home in which they could install a backup generator because, again, they can't afford one. But Lyd vs KH310. Go! Ok. As for the Lyd48, I've never used them. However, based on some of the statements in the thread, I'd be very interested in seeing how my ears would perceive them for the first time after having used the KH310s for a while. I would also be interested in a comparison of my thoughts to someone who's used the Lyd48's for a while and how they perceive the KH310s for the first time. I think it would probably come down to small details. I'll admit though, due to my inherent appreciation for waveguides, dome mids, and seal boxes I don't think I'd be wow'd by the Lyd48s. Then again, I expected to like the Barefoot 01's and ended up greatly disliking them.
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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 13:48:19 GMT -6
An honest question.. Do you have a backup generator installed in your home? I don't, though the idea has been discussed for when we remodel our house. Solar is also being discussed. Though I'm not sure where you're headed with this, I suppose I'd ask you the same? Generator? Solar? I will also add that I wasn't necessarily looking to rehash this discussion, as it's been discussed here at RGO before, and I know you and I and others had differing opinions on the subject. Bottom line, I've just seen too many examples of this laissez faire approach to the market result in benefits to corporations and the wealthy at the expense of the rest of us. You're just not gonna convince me that there don't need to be guardrails in place. I'm a capitalist, but there needs to be rules and regulations. In any case, I have more pressing things to discuss with you, like new monitors. So I'm bowing out of this particular discussion. Well, I'm thinking of a backup generator for myself. One of those tropical storms came up through the gulf and knocked my power out for 5 days. Would have been nice to have some power, but thankfully it was in fall so it wasn't uncomfortable, but it got me thinking about being a lot more self-sufficient. I also wondered if folks (not you in particular) who have claimed texas should have had windmill heaters (not installed because, you know, texas..) and tons of backup systems for a thousand-year storm and a once-in-a-lifetime grid failure also have backup systems installed in their own properties.
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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 13:24:32 GMT -6
1. Renewables have peak energy times. Generally only about 20-30% of the day. 2. Federal subsidies given to power generation companies create an imbalance in profitability so any company which desires to stay in business ends up taking federal subsidies. 3. Federal subsidies are only for renewable infrastructure so fewer and fewer 100% uptime generation facilities are built and/or maintained. 4. There were fewer gas/coal plants online due to maintaining significant renewable uptime to appease federal subsidy regulators. 5. A thousand year ice storm hit and knocked out main transmission lines. 6. Solar generation was 0% due to snow and ice. 7. Wind generation was 0% due to snow and ice. 8. Gas and coal generation came back online within hours but the transmission lines being down there was no way to get the power to the customers. The failure was not in renewables entirely. The failure is the federal government yet again subsidizing something that causes market turmoil and me-too choices among competition, which removes competition and steers markets away from self-sufficiency towards political pork. Texas may be "unregulated" but they are regulated. I was simply referring specifically to the penchant in this state to blame renewables when the largest single source of power here is still gas, and those gas facilities failed because of lack of winterization. I just think it's disingenuous of the leaders in this state, who receive heavy campaign contributions from the O&G industry, to try to lay the blame at the feet of renewables, while ignoring that the largest share of any blame lies with gas. An honest question.. Do you have a backup generator installed in your home?
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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 12:23:29 GMT -6
The performance of sealed is addictive, but look at the roll off to see if it is that gentle rounded curve or steeper, if it’s steep they are using EQ. As a builder it is a bit easier to tune out a bit of driver miss match buy tuning the port length. I can’t say either is subjectively better, but I prefer ports, but then I want more lowend. Now anyone know someone with a bunch of 18mm Baltic Birch plywood in stock? I've read similar things and it sort of makes me wonder about the low end of the Neumann's. I guess we'll see once I'm able to put both the 310s and LYDs to the test. It's tight. There's no port bloom happening. They might sound a little lacking in bass when compared to something else, but I have yet to have any issues with low end at all. I stopped using my sub with the KH310s because the sub was starting to make me mix too little bass into my mixes. The bass in these has nuance, unlike a lot of other speakers which just have "bass".
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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 12:18:35 GMT -6
I live just outside of Dallas. Texas exceptionalism requires the state’s power grid to be independently held together with bailing wire, paper clips, and bobby pins. It is subject to fail at any time. Texas "exceptionalism".... Haha No lessons were learned after Snowpocalypse 2021. It's totally going to happen again, at which point it will incorrectly be blamed on renewable energy again. 1. Renewables have peak energy times. Generally only about 20-30% of the day. 2. Federal subsidies given to power generation companies create an imbalance in profitability so any company which desires to stay in business ends up taking federal subsidies. 3. Federal subsidies are only for renewable infrastructure so fewer and fewer 100% uptime generation facilities are built and/or maintained. 4. There were fewer gas/coal plants online due to maintaining significant renewable uptime to appease federal subsidy regulators. 5. A thousand year ice storm hit and knocked out main transmission lines. 6. Solar generation was 0% due to snow and ice. 7. Wind generation was 0% due to snow and ice. 8. Gas and coal generation came back online within hours but the transmission lines being down there was no way to get the power to the customers. The failure was not in renewables entirely. The failure is the federal government yet again subsidizing something that causes market turmoil and me-too choices among competition, which removes competition and steers markets away from self-sufficiency towards political pork. Texas may be "unregulated" but they are regulated.
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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 6:52:28 GMT -6
I've never turned my KH310D's up louder than normal-high listening volume so I can't say if they distort or not at even higher levels. Just curious, how big is your room? It's been a while since I measured, but about 15x12 I think. It's somewhat odd shaped, so not all of that is open space, mostly in the back. Here's a shot of the control area to give you an idea (top of the white desk is 4ft wide):
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Post by svart on Jul 6, 2022 15:02:02 GMT -6
If you look at the KH310, the midrange dome is indeed recessed slightly, and the bezel has a slight waveguide. The recess of the tweeter and to a lesser degree, the midrange, serve two purposes. Primary is to time-align the voicecoils and secondary is to allow for some depth of waveguide. (or perhaps the designers prioritized them vice-versa..) The need for a waveguide is much less for midrange frequencies as they don't beam as much. Add in that the midrange is a large dome, and dispersion is naturally much wider than a smaller dome and higher frequencies. I'm sure Neumann (or K+H) engineers modeled dispersion and devised the waveguide attributes to fit the blending of the patterns in the forward space. The KH310 are definitely designed to lay down horizontally. I suppose you can set them on end but the dispersion patterns of the tweeter will now be vertically aligned and not-optimal. The LYD48 has a conical midrange and does not look to have physically time-aligned the drivers at all. they could certainly do it electronically. Digital time-alignment requires DSP and analog time-alignment requires higher-order filters which a lot of purists frown upon. I personally have never really heard the difference, but my preference would be for waveguides and physically aligned drivers for simplicity's sake. Got it. As I looked more at the 310, I was kind of wondering if the slight recess on the mid dome was in fact a wave guide. I'm leaning slightly more towards the 310 at this point, over the Lyd 48, but I'm still kind of wondering about total available volume between these two options. To be more specific, I guess I mean total volume available before things begin to noticeably distort. I know the Lyd does have an option to engage a switch which lowers the overall volume to preserve undistorted bass volume, relative to overall volume. But that, of course, lowers the total volume available, and I do have a somewhat large room (24x30). The 310 has more wattage than the Lyd, not that that is an automatic indicator of it also being louder. Class D amps are also supposed to be more efficient than AB, so that also makes it difficult to try to make a comparison, as the Lyd I'd class D and the 310 is Class AB. I've never turned my KH310D's up louder than normal-high listening volume so I can't say if they distort or not at even higher levels.
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Post by svart on Jul 6, 2022 14:26:53 GMT -6
I’m trying to find someone who has the Dyns so I can spend some time with them. Don’t think in terms of wider or narrower dispersion, think more controlled dispersion depending on the particular wave guide. A waveguide is a horn without a throat that’s all. One thing to listen to though is how low is the waveguide functional? It can get a little strange if the driver is crossed over below the where the wave guide is functional. The Neumann / KH seam to be the new favorite of guys doing video post in poor designed rooms. I was talking to a guy who has been putting the K&H in video rooms who loves the fact the KH wave guides give you 2 different dispersion characters depending if they are horizontal or vertical (unlike Amphions). Me if the room is good I prefer a dome without a waveguide, less of that horn like “honk” but the K&H are pretty “honk” free till you put them next to something without a waveguide. But we have to remember the mighty ATC and Volt domes have a very small wave guide that evens out their dispersion at the drivers upper range. I've most likely narrowed it down to the Lyd 48 or the kh310. I thought about the Core 47s for a while, but people don't seem to like them that much. I know Audio Science Review beat them up pretty heavily. As for the Core 59s, those are maybe just too much speaker, though I am in a fairly large room. I'm in a 24'x30' room with splayed walls on both sides of the mix position to help create a RFZ. It also has a two foot thick by 8' wide and 8' tall bass trap immediately behind my monitors at the mix position. There's also 12" of treatment on the ceiling above the mix position. So it's fairly well treated, for whatever that's worth. Anyway, just to get some clarification, the Lyd 48s do NOT have a dome mid, do they? You had previously mentioned that they did, but I thought that was maybe said in error? As for the kh310s, I didn't think you could set them up any way other than horizontally? I mean, you "can" do whatever you want. I just mean that they are designed to be placed horizontally and that is it, correct? I definitely have figured out over the years that I like soft dome tweeters. So I thought I might similarly end up liking dome mids if I ever got the chance to use them, regardless of whether or not they also had a wave guide. The kh310 only has a waveguide on the tweeter though, correct? Unless the mid dome has one and it's just really small and I can't see it? I guess I'm just trying to gather as much info as I can to narrow this down. Like I said, at this point I've probably narrowed it down to the Lyd 48 and the kh310, but I'm also open to ideas. If you look at the KH310, the midrange dome is indeed recessed slightly, and the bezel has a slight waveguide. The recess of the tweeter and to a lesser degree, the midrange, serve two purposes. Primary is to time-align the voicecoils and secondary is to allow for some depth of waveguide. (or perhaps the designers prioritized them vice-versa..) The need for a waveguide is much less for midrange frequencies as they don't beam as much. Add in that the midrange is a large dome, and dispersion is naturally much wider than a smaller dome and higher frequencies. I'm sure Neumann (or K+H) engineers modeled dispersion and devised the waveguide attributes to fit the blending of the patterns in the forward space. The KH310 are definitely designed to lay down horizontally. I suppose you can set them on end but the dispersion patterns of the tweeter will now be vertically aligned and not-optimal. The LYD48 has a conical midrange and does not look to have physically time-aligned the drivers at all. they could certainly do it electronically. Digital time-alignment requires DSP and analog time-alignment requires higher-order filters which a lot of purists frown upon. I personally have never really heard the difference, but my preference would be for waveguides and physically aligned drivers for simplicity's sake.
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Post by svart on Jul 6, 2022 7:49:03 GMT -6
I like A the best. I didn't really try to discern which one was which though. C seemed to have a weird midrange around the F of "feel".
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Post by svart on Jul 6, 2022 7:45:19 GMT -6
The thing that makes the concept of the video in the OP weird to me is what I’m guessing seawell is getting at: I literally haven’t heard anyone make the argument in question (that simple, completely clean OTB summing sounds substantially different than ITB summing) in like 10-15 years! I do remember when lots of people thought that, and I remember when the consensus shifted to it being all the extra things in the signal path that made the difference, rather than the wire. I was unaware there were still lots of people arguing about that. If it simply exists in pro audio, someone is arguing about it.
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