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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2015 11:52:06 GMT -6
I'll ask again for giggles.. Clan anyone reference a clear reading list/link, for existing owners/new purchasing/upgrade policies from AVID? As an existing or new customer, u should be able to find ur personal situation, and see ur future options with utter clarity on Avid's site. This is NOT the case from what I've seen. T, there are four options: Pro Tools softwareAvailable options and some other links can be viewed at: Pro Tools licensingThere used to be a page that showed the options in grid-fashion, but I can't find it. I'll post if I discover where its hiding.
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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2015 10:59:10 GMT -6
The license surrender is to a new one containing 10, 11 and 12 as part of a bundle that can't be separated. This is done so people can't sell their old licenses. It's no different from other license upgrades. Nobody ever loses the use of a Pro Tools version other than renters who can only use 12 during months they have paid for. Owners of 12 can use it forever only it stops accumulating new features after the support contract expires. Thanks, I stand corrected. I seem to remember surrendering my PT 9 license when I upgraded to 11, but it was a while back. Memory does not always serve as expected. In any event, it is clear that Avid are offering two modes of PT use: rent via the subscription service; or own via outright purchase of a perpetual license. New purchases include one year of support, and current owners can buy into the new support plan model if they so choose. This scheme is bringing to an end the era of endless support and minor updates within a particular version. It will be interesting to see how Avid brings on the support. They need to make it (buying a support plan) worthwhile. I agree with Bob, Avid should spend some marketing $ on making this distinction very clear.
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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2015 10:43:05 GMT -6
I find it interesting and a bit odd that there is so much confusion surrounding Pro Tools. Sure, some of the problem comes from Avid's failure to communicate, but users themselves contribute to the madness, IMHO. It's nutty, I tell ya. So - since I own PT 10 & 11, I already own a perpetual license, correct? So, now I just have to pay the $199 a year for updates, right? That is correct. My iLok account shows licenses for PT 10, 11, and HD 10/11. Based on information from the Avid Website, these are perpetual licenses, same as what you own JK. The annual fee of $199 buys a "support plan" that includes updates to PT (including 12 when it arrives) and allows you to open support cases: Pro Tools Software Upgrades Standard Support—What’s included Billing and administration cases Unlimited; response time within one business day Software updates and upgrades Included; available upon release Troubleshooting—web and email support Unlimited incidents; response time within one business day Troubleshooting—phone One phone call per month
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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2015 10:33:45 GMT -6
BleeHD also says this:
"whenever you upgrade to 12, you surrender your previous licenses"
Yes, I think this is true. And has been for years. When I upgraded from PT 9 to 11, I surrendered my license for 9. It still shows in my iLok account, but is not activated. Again, I welcome corrections if what I say is not true.
My point is that all interested Pro Tools users should be very skeptical of ad-hoc commentary regarding the platform and associated licensing. Too many people seem to be getting it wrong (including me, perhaps).
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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2015 10:00:01 GMT -6
The site says this: If you do not currently have Pro Tools, it will cost $899 if you want to buy Pro Tools outright and not use the subscription model. This is about $200 more than what it costs to start with Pro Tools 11 right now but includes one year of use and service."
I think this statement is incorrect, or at a minimum poorly worded. My understanding is that for $899 you get a "perpetual license". Please correct me if I'm wrong. Here is what Avid have to say about this: "Q. Will my Pro Tools license expire at the end of the one-year support period? A. No, you can continue to use Pro Tools after your upgrade/support period expires since you will own a 'perpetual' license. If you want to continue receiving upgrades, you will need to renew your upgrade/support plan. Pro Tools 11 owners will have through the end of 2015 to get on an upgrade/support plan."So, it' still expensive to buy into Pro Tools, and it appears to me that only users who sign up for the subscription service will lose the ability to use PT if they opt out. I find it interesting and a bit odd that there is so much confusion surrounding Pro Tools. Sure, some of the problem comes from Avid's failure to communicate, but users themselves contribute to the madness, IMHO. It's nutty, I tell ya.
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Post by matt on Jan 24, 2015 14:06:35 GMT -6
At NAMM they are displayed behind a glass box. I guess Gibson didn't want anyone to hear them? Non-functional mock-ups, shells only. Vaporware.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2015 17:08:15 GMT -6
Very cool for Cubase users.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 21:50:13 GMT -6
The decision to move almost completely OTB seems a good one The Old Way is the best way. T, can't do NAMM, work intrudes. Say hi to everyone and enjoy BOC! If you meet donr before the show, please request "Before The Kiss, A Redcap" on my behalf.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 19:45:46 GMT -6
Is there link with this? I am dubious. There's a post on GS as well, in the NAMM 2015 thread. Appears to be legit.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 19:26:54 GMT -6
and the very reason why I am separating myself from most plugins, too. They can cut your service off when they want to. Yes. You are one update, or lack thereof, from being SOL on a plugin, or DAW software. If the company goes out of business, for instance, or if the technology is retired (TDM). I understand that technological change can drive obsolescence (TDM again), but it's the going out of business thing that worries me, particularly with Avid. If it happens, I hope that some company picks up the pieces and carries on. Unfortunately, it's a risk, and I'm getting into hardware for the same reason. Particularly with comps. But I rolled the dice with Avid and PT, admittedly.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 19:00:14 GMT -6
Well, reminds me of this, dunno why... For every Stryper, there's a Steel Panther. It's the Yin-Yang thing at work:
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 18:38:03 GMT -6
Well, reminds me of this, dunno why... I'm confused. There's two drum sets, but only one drummer. One of the guitarists is wearing a doubleneck, but only playing the bottom neck. And they keep switching guitars every few seconds. It's magic, I tell you! Magic! They're multi-instrumentalists! Oh, wait, maybe not . . .
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 14:49:34 GMT -6
with Yamaha being their backbone financially I see this as being Avid's core issue: a lack of financial backing. It costs $$$$ to develop. No working capital, no development. Randy, you may be correct on the fate of PT - unless it gets an infusion, and soon at that, it will become an also-ran as a production tool. Maybe already has. Time will tell.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 13:06:47 GMT -6
That's what I thought, good news. But I think there is confusion about this policy, and Avid could do a better job at socializing this. Or, I just missed it. Distinctly possible, it's been cold out here in the Wild West - at least for an Arizona boy. 75F today though.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 12:29:56 GMT -6
Avid is calling the PT license "Perpetual" with the ability to purchase a support subscription, renewable each 12 months. It appears that you get one year of subscription support with an initial purchase. Unless I'm missing something, this is exactly how Waves works WUP. So, you can use the software forever, but after 12 months you have to re-up to get updates and/or support. I think the vagueness comes from Avid doing a poor job of defining the "types" of updates - feature vs bug killing, for instance - and what is covered by what. Does the Perpetual License cover bug patches, or not? I'm not sure. Looking into it.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 11:08:25 GMT -6
Its just a bit gauling for avid to cause you to think how much you have already cumulatively paid and then farm you out to the lower pasture until you had over even more dough ? Yes, agreed, this is where Avid and other businesses who get desperate for revenue go wrong, IMHO. And it often backfires as a business principle because the last thing you ever want to do is alienate your customer base, and giving the impression - by changing the "contract" with the customer - that existing users are being re-charged for something (a license) they already paid for is a sure way to do it. If they leave, they typically never come back. I think that Avid is walking a fine line here, and risking all to bolster a pretty-much nonexistent bottom line. I don't think they have a choice, it's about survival for them, so they change the licensing model in an attempt to become profitable again. Software as a subscription service is not new (re: Waves) and I think it will become more widespread as time passes and computing software becomes ever more embedded in modern life. Once software companies realize that their customers are dependent (OK, hooked), they will move to increase profits, with only social pressure holding them back. Heck, the world is already there. I would shrivel up and blow away if I didn't have my Internet, and will pay whatever to keep the pipe fat and full.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 10:44:42 GMT -6
"The first one is free"... The biggest bummer is that the first one wasn't free. I suppose that's how it goes sometimes, here in the 21st century.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 10:00:29 GMT -6
I just picked up a license for PT 11 HD at a pretty good price. I ask that no one feel sorry for me - I have dedicated significant time and resources learning it and don't have a desire to learn something else unless I absolutely have to. I agree that Avid has problems with customer relations and the generation of revenue, and that the software is missing features included in competing solutions. They are struggling to find their way in a difficult business landscape, and need to do a better job if they are to survive, IMHO. I hope that they work things out for the betterment of the company, and all who use their product line.
I may be crazy, but PT makes sense to me when it comes time to record and mix a song. If I was just starting out, I might choose Cubase. In fact, I demoed it two years ago, but chose PT instead. So, there it is.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2015 7:50:00 GMT -6
Below is a screen capture from a documentary I watched on the Foo Fighters "Wasting Light" album. It's been a while since I've seen this, but if I remember correctly, the album was cut at Dave's house. So this would be his garage, probably. My guess is that they listened to the room and placed the gobos just right to kill some of the bad reflections (flutter, etc) and kept the "good" - as they defined it - to get a desired amount of ambiance. Keep just a little room in there, so that the drums breathe a bit. Those are some big gobos, for sure. This is nice to see because it demonstrates that any space can be workable, with a little thoughtful room treatment.
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2015 15:44:54 GMT -6
What if they sound killer? That would be pretty funny
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2015 15:43:00 GMT -6
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2015 7:37:07 GMT -6
But enough about politics!! BACK TO THE GEAR! Thanks.
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Post by matt on Jan 15, 2015 12:28:51 GMT -6
Maybe BMI song of the year. Or CMA song of the year. I would settle for a (smallish) legion of young, nubile, screaming female fans. My needs are simple these days.
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Post by matt on Jan 14, 2015 13:15:26 GMT -6
but the two 18's are the ones Yes, this is the model that intrigues me the most. Sexxxy.
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Post by matt on Jan 14, 2015 13:07:00 GMT -6
The pre-NAMM announcements are starting to flow: Power and panning, on a per slot basis. Real meters. Filled with your favorite flavor (VP-28?; 73jr?) this thing could be the sheeeit. I think I want one.
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