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Post by ragan on May 30, 2019 0:02:46 GMT -6
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Post by timcampbell on May 30, 2019 5:57:18 GMT -6
It's hard to tell without vocals and I only listened on my laptop but I connected better with the first.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 30, 2019 6:21:23 GMT -6
I listened on cans and somewhat preferred the second as the first sounded squishier for me not in a good way: loved the vibe and drums sound !
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Post by svart on May 30, 2019 6:29:09 GMT -6
First one by far. There's more attack from the guitar which helps it poke out of the mix more. The guitars in the second mix sound too soft.
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Post by Guitar on May 30, 2019 7:11:47 GMT -6
Fairly subtle to my ear but the second ones poke out, or stand out, a little more, so I would pick that.
If I had to guess the first one is a dynamic mic and the second one is a condenser. Of course I'm never surprised if I'm totally wrong.
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Post by indiehouse on May 30, 2019 7:27:53 GMT -6
Is one the Kemper and the other your amp mic'd up in an iso box? If so, hard for me to guess which is which. Maybe the first is the Kemper and the second is the amp? The second seems a little woofier (is that a word?) in the low mids. The first a little clearer.
Or maybe I'm completely wrong and neither is a Kemper.
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Post by ragan on May 30, 2019 12:30:42 GMT -6
I don't wanna give away what the two contenders are yet, I just kinda wanna hear people's initial, gut feeling of which they like better (which I'm getting, thanks).
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Post by kcatthedog on May 30, 2019 12:35:20 GMT -6
I’d forgotten you had the kemper:) for me, the first one, had that odd high end sizzle thing, like ua amp sims  |
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Post by ragan on May 30, 2019 12:40:15 GMT -6
I’d forgotten you had the kemper:) for me, the first one, had that odd high end sizzle thing, like ua amp sims Always fascinating how differently we all hear things. |
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Post by indiehouse on May 30, 2019 13:33:44 GMT -6
I think they sound more similar than different. At least from a casual listening perspective. If anything, the first one feels a little more compressed and squishier, which I find that with my Kemper. I think every profile has compression on by default. I have to go and turn it off. That and the noise gate, which I don't like either. Price to pay for convenience, I guess.
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Post by ragan on May 30, 2019 14:00:46 GMT -6
I hear in clip 2 more of the things I associate with sims in general. It sounds a bit flat in comparison and a little veiled. Clip 1 has some air and spatialness to it, to my ear. But (obviously) it's all pretty subjective. My take mirrors svart 's. But then I have to do the dance of what my ears like vs what my pocketbook likes. |
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Post by christopher on May 30, 2019 14:02:09 GMT -6
I like 2. Something about the first one reminded me of my old 90s digital multi FX clean sound
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Post by christopher on May 30, 2019 16:27:54 GMT -6
I should say also, my first impression regarding #1 was more of DI sound in general. And my first impression in take 2 was the performance sounded a little different and not really a DI thing and I kind of liked it. So maybe you are test driving a nice DI?
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Post by porkyman on May 30, 2019 16:36:14 GMT -6
I thought the first by a lot listening through iPhone. It just fits the mix right. 2nd one sounded weird.
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Post by ragan on May 30, 2019 16:56:16 GMT -6
I should say also, my first impression regarding #1 was more of DI sound in general. And my first impression in take 2 was the performance sounded a little different and not really a DI thing and I kind of liked it. So maybe you are test driving a nice DI? Same take for both, FWIW. |
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Post by sirthought on May 30, 2019 18:39:16 GMT -6
I thought #2 cut through and felt better.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 31, 2019 6:55:12 GMT -6
The biggest difference I notice is that example 2 feels a bit "congested" to me. That's the best way I know to describe it, sort of like the guitars aren't breathing in the mids and low mids. It makes them sound a bit more compressed with a flatter dimensionality (which means I'm hearing it opposite of indiehouse !). I'd be curious to hear whether that can be EQ'd to get a closer match, ragan . Or if one were to play a guitar with more "bite" to it? I'm thinking of a Tele with a bridge pickup that's a little too bright. Would the Kemper (I'm assuming the Kemper is example 2. I could certainly be wrong...) inadvertently help "tame" a "too bright Tele"? I'm also hearing in these examples the same kind of thing I often hear with hardware compressors vs. plugins: the plugin comps (to my ear) usually sound congested to me, like the compressor is folding back into itself. Ragan, again--assuming one of these is a Kemper--the thing I'm really interested in here is whether the Kemper profile is a profile you made with your exact chain in your room. To me, that would be the ultimate comparison test. And the last thing I'll add is that example 2 is still very much usable to my ear. I just prefer example 1. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 31, 2019 7:08:44 GMT -6
I like 1 in my car. 2 feels richer in the bottom and a little louder, but prefer 1 for this song.
If it was an in your face rock thing, Foo Fighters or something, I would probably prefer 2.
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Post by marylin on May 31, 2019 8:00:43 GMT -6
I like nr. 1. Theres more presence, air, better attack.
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Post by indiehouse on May 31, 2019 11:09:36 GMT -6
Maybe I had them backwards, I don’t remember. Regardless, I thought the second sounded more congested in the low mids as well, the first feeling clearer, but maybe slightly less weight? But I mean, we’re splitting hairs here, right? I get that’s what we are supposed to do, being who we are. I don’t hear a significant difference, though. Not enough where it would make a critical difference.
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Post by notneeson on May 31, 2019 11:43:41 GMT -6
Feels like difference without distinction to me over here.
EDIT: my bad, it's plenty bright. Laptop DAC seems kinda murky with the 650s up until a certain volume. Need to remember that.
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Post by svart on May 31, 2019 11:48:43 GMT -6
Alright, enough foreplay, lets get the results already!
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Post by ragan on May 31, 2019 11:54:52 GMT -6
Feels like difference without distinction to me over here. EDIT: my bad, it's plenty bright. Laptop DAC seems kinda murky with the 650s up until a certain volume. Need to remember that. Wait what’s plenty bright? I missed something. |
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Post by swurveman on May 31, 2019 12:55:47 GMT -6
I enjoyed #1 better. The guitars bloomed more imo. Really nice sound. Your guitars always have a great sense of fitting in ambient space with your drums. How do you do it?
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Post by ragan on May 31, 2019 12:58:40 GMT -6
I enjoyed #1 better. The guitars bloomed more imo. Really nice sound. Your guitars always have a great sense of fitting in ambient space with your drums. How do you do it? Well thank you. I don't know. Pretty sloppy little mix of a hastily/sloppily played little groove. Happy accident I guess. I was supposed to be studying but really wanted to do the comparison so I just did quick takes and threw it together. Also had a stupid fever at the time. Normally I'd have locked it together a little more but didn't really care cause I just wanted to hear how a pair of wide rhythm guitars sounded for each method. |
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