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Post by mike on Feb 9, 2019 10:28:20 GMT -6
I had the chance to try a Wunder CM7 and a Flea 47 last year, and while they're both good mic's, I preferred the Flea47 over the Wunder.
That seems to be the internet consensus, but I don't remember seeing a lot of people explaining why they preferred the Flea. Was there a particular reason for you? Large grain of Salt here knowing that the source, preamp and cans/monitors can all effect an impression. But my two cents found that while both mic’s sounded good, the Wunder on my voice as the source sounded slightly more veiled or like the source was slightly further away even though proximety/distance and volume was basically the same on both mics,….…the Flea 47 seemed slightly (but noticeably to me) more dimensional, like the singer is standing next to you when listening. And though they both did well, I definitely preferred the way the Flea handled the mids where the mid range seemed broader in a good way on the Flea as the mid focus seemed narrower on the Wunder to me.
My two cents, probably worth less
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 9, 2019 10:36:57 GMT -6
That seems to be the internet consensus, but I don't remember seeing a lot of people explaining why they preferred the Flea. Was there a particular reason for you? Large grain of Salt here knowing that the source, preamp and cans/monitors can all effect an impression. But my two cents found that while both mic’s sounded good, the Wunder on my voice as the source sounded slightly more veiled or like the source was slightly further away even though proximety/distance and volume was basically the same on both mics,….…the Flea 47 seemed slightly (but noticeably to me) more dimensional, like the singer is standing next to you when listening. And though they both did well, I definitely preferred the way the Flea handled the mids where the mid focus seemed broader in a good way on the Flea as the mid focus seemed narrower on the Wunder to me.
My two cents, probably worth less
I wonder if part of that is the larger output transformer of the wunder, potentially emphasizing the low end more.
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Post by mike on Feb 9, 2019 10:50:44 GMT -6
Large grain of Salt here knowing that the source, preamp and cans/monitors can all effect an impression. But my two cents found that while both mic’s sounded good, the Wunder on my voice as the source sounded slightly more veiled or like the source was slightly further away even though proximety/distance and volume was basically the same on both mics,….…the Flea 47 seemed slightly (but noticeably to me) more dimensional, like the singer is standing next to you when listening. And though they both did well, I definitely preferred the way the Flea handled the mids where the mid range seemed broader in a good way on the Flea as the mid focus seemed narrower on the Wunder to me.
My two cents, probably worth less
I wonder if part of that is the larger output transformer of the wunder, potentially emphasizing the low end more.
The Flea had every bit as much bottom as the Wunder if not a tiny bit more. Having heard both side by side, the choice for me between the two mics would be the Flea 47 without a 2nd thought, though I realize another voice/source may choose the Wunder.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 9, 2019 11:57:27 GMT -6
Mike shared his samples of everything with me including having clips of his own Warm WA47, and of the mics he tried; a Wunder CM7, and Mic Shop 47 and I called out the FleA everytime. I’ve used the FleA 47 and a Wagner U47W. I also used to own the Peluso 2247SE. The Peluso doesn’t have the warmth of either of these, and with the market as it is now is over priced. The Wagner had this incredible low end. You can thank the VF14 in it for that. The top end was a hair more mellow than the FleA. It’s probably closer to the real deal. What FleA has done is tailored their mics to be great particularly on vocals. There is a shimmer in the top end, a warm enveloping quality to low mids that just enhance vocals. The FleA and Wagner sound pretty similar, but my feeling is the Wagner would be a mic that when the right source comes along the magic would astound you, but the FleA would feel like it was just generally exuding a bit of magic on many more sources. Just my two cents.
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 9, 2019 12:40:18 GMT -6
I had the chance to try a Wunder CM7 and a Flea 47 last year, and while they're both good mic's, I preferred the Flea47 over the Wunder.
That seems to be the internet consensus, but I don't remember seeing a lot of people explaining why they preferred the Flea. Was there a particular reason for you? I heard a couple of shootouts where both mics were involved but it was so many years ago. I know I came away from it preferring the Flea quite a bit. I can't recall why though. It was those couple of shootouts that put the Flea on my shortlist, and it was this video that convinced me to take the plunge.
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Post by Ward on Feb 9, 2019 13:55:42 GMT -6
We could answer all requests with one option.
A 47 head basket with a matched set of m7 capsules.
An optional 48 head basket with a matched set of k47 capsules. $500 sounds like more than a bargain!!
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 9, 2019 18:43:33 GMT -6
Let's not lose track of what's really important here... my 67.
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Post by jakeharris on Feb 11, 2019 0:37:18 GMT -6
Based on research on other forums, I think those Blackspade bodies are chinese, but they are quality. From what I remember, most of their components are Chinese except the notable ones that people are concerned about: capsule, transformer, tube. I'm okay with that, but their prices are high to me. The $1500 price point would be the highend for me and yes, I'd expect a great performing mic for that. Went through this with them in depth when buying a set of UM49B's: they don't use any Chinese components in any of their mics. As an example, here are photos of the current UM49B PSU. Comes with Haufe transformer, PW and FM capacitors, Dale wirewound resistors... and it's supposedly their "cheap" psu. My UM49B's also came with Sommer cables and company branded Rycote mounts. About the 250: only parts made from Chinese metal, are top and bottom chassis you can see on the gut pics online. Body sleeve, double layer ELAM basket, and Tuchel mic connector, they make themselves (UM body sleeves too btw). 250 PSU and swivel mount are swiss RS series (same as RS2). UM models do use more Chinese metal, but that's reflected in their price... My experience has been they're very open about all this, just send a mail and ask. Otherwise a simple way to describe BSA, they make really clean and deliberate products. Same as Horch and Flea. My colleague swears by the RM2J, and I own and owned Flea 47 and 49's: to us there's no qualitative difference between these three brands. It's just a different level of product to what's available sub-2K.
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Apr 4, 2019 21:48:52 GMT -6
M49 is at the top of my list. Your 47 capsule might work for it, but it could be a reason to try a M7 capsule. I'd be interested in Gefell style as well. The modern mics that spark my interest are the TG fet, the Roswell Colares, and this new Vanguard mic at NAMM (forget the name). But these mics that offer quality options to change up the sound. You're thinking of the V7
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Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2019 21:51:40 GMT -6
You could "have had a V8". Chris
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Post by sirthought on Apr 5, 2019 4:54:32 GMT -6
You could "have had a V8". Chris
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Post by Ward on Apr 5, 2019 6:47:24 GMT -6
The void in the market is a 67 clone that actually sounds like a 67. And doesn’t cost $6999 $7500 after you get a good working NOS EF806s
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Post by Ward on Apr 5, 2019 6:50:01 GMT -6
M49 is at the top of my list. Your 47 capsule might work for it, but it could be a reason to try a M7 capsule. I'd be interested in Gefell style as well. The modern mics that spark my interest are the TG fet, the Roswell Colares, and this new Vanguard mic at NAMM (forget the name). But these mics that offer quality options to change up the sound. You're thinking of the V7 I don't know how I missed you guys . . . oh yes, now I remember... a lady with me who kept saying "beach, beach beach".
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Apr 5, 2019 10:41:38 GMT -6
You're thinking of the V7 I don't know how I missed you guys . . . oh yes, now I remember... a lady with me who kept saying "beach, beach beach". The sheer breadth and width of NAMM these days, I don't know how anyone sees everything they wanna see. I was mostly stuck in our little booth in the new hall. Not gonna lie...there were plenty of times at the show where I would've rather been at the beach too! NAMM is bonkersville.
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Post by adamjbrass on Apr 5, 2019 10:50:59 GMT -6
The world needs more M49's
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 5, 2019 11:37:49 GMT -6
M49 is at the top of my list. Your 47 capsule might work for it, but it could be a reason to try a M7 capsule. I'd be interested in Gefell style as well. The modern mics that spark my interest are the TG fet, the Roswell Colares, and this new Vanguard mic at NAMM (forget the name). But these mics that offer quality options to change up the sound. You're thinking of the V7 That is a nice looking piece! Different sonic capsules?
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Apr 8, 2019 10:23:25 GMT -6
You're thinking of the V7 That is a nice looking piece! Different sonic capsules? Yes sir, and all fully 9-pattern. Fun circuit design, took some tweaking but it's sounding great with the V13 capsule. Working on some other capsules too at the moment
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 8, 2019 10:29:36 GMT -6
Cool.
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Post by Ward on Apr 9, 2019 8:24:48 GMT -6
So, to bring this back on topic . . .
is there any collaboration happening between Heiserman and Vangaurd?
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 9, 2019 16:08:17 GMT -6
The Vanguard is on my radar! Not the best audio, but interesting. I’m really into an M49 or newer better U67. Two of my favorite mics besides a 251. I found out just the other day that they used an M49 on Alice In Chains ”Man In The Box” song on the singers voice. Listened to that song again because it’s been a while, just because the vocal was tracked with an M49...lol
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Post by tskguy on Apr 10, 2019 9:00:31 GMT -6
Hey Vanguard, Who does your capsules? Should I assume China??
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 10, 2019 17:12:42 GMT -6
Hey Vanguard, Who does your capsules? Should I assume China?? I'm not sure why anyone would assume that. Has anyone asked Vanguard?
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 10, 2019 17:50:04 GMT -6
Hey Vanguard, Who does your capsules? Should I assume China?? I'm not sure why anyone would assume that. Has anyone asked Vanguard?
Yes, the guy you quoted just asked.
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 10, 2019 18:01:03 GMT -6
I'm not sure why anyone would assume that. Has anyone asked Vanguard?
Yes, the guy you quoted just asked. Sorry I didn't notice they had participated on this thread.
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Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2019 20:53:29 GMT -6
Yes, the guy you quoted just asked. Sorry I didn't notice they had participated on this thread. Sometimes we even stay on topic around here. I mean, not too often, but some times!
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