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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 6, 2019 21:26:13 GMT -6
Maybe 84 style after that? Chris Definitely a possibility! Too early to say for sure though.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 6, 2019 22:43:40 GMT -6
My understanding is that the AMI BV11R transformer has a little bit more low end to compensate for what is lost by not using the AC701k tube. Their BV11 transformer is supposed to be historically accurate for use with the AC701k SNIP 67 = killer workhorse 49 = unexplainable magic OK . . . take stock of a couple of things. 1. U67 is silk. M49 is even more silk. 2. U67 is magic on a male voice. M49 is magic on a female voice. (Although I still think the U89 is tremendously overlooked and under-appreciated) 3. M49 doesn't really do low-end. Not even with a Mercury Magnetics transfo out of a Marshall 1959! It does a subtle center to low-mid push that is a mezzo or soprano 2's low-end! That's why it was "unspeakable magic" on singers like Billie Holiday (who can't she melt?) I'm sure Vincent knows what I'm talking about. I do understand. I’ve been meaning to respond to this all day, but have been in the studio cutting Emily’s and my vocals for a commercial, and on our FleA 49 no less. Emily floats the thin line between Mezzo and Soprano 2, so I can tell you right now that on her more legit styled pieces the 49 sounds perfect on her without even needing to touch EQ. My voice as a high lyric tenor works because it is warm and my tesiratura sits in more of what we’d consider a pop alto range, with high A’s through high C# comfortably, with a usable D and Eb with some rehearsal. While I think the 67 has a slightly lower extension than the 49, and the graphs show that, it’s more about where the frequencies boost that determine what voices work on it and which don’t. The 67 is amazing because it has a vibey color, but is fairly neutral and can be tailored really easily to fit the artist its recording with a bit of EQ. The 49 is a more flamboyant color, and not everyone can pull it off. The 47 actually boosts a little more in the high end and has a lower extension, so where the 49 might give a little honk to a raspy folk rock voice like Martin John Butler or jtc111, the lower extension in the 47 counters that a bit and gives things a slightly compressed warm sound, which suites those kinds of voices. A lot of modern male singers fall into that catagory. That’s why so many engineers reach for a 47 with a male singer. The 49 has a little space on the bottom end which helps a warm voice like mine cut through a little bit better than when I’m on a 47. I usually have to boost the top end of my 49 at 8 or 9 kHz, but it’s a subtle EQ move that works wonders on my vocal.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 6, 2019 22:47:59 GMT -6
mdmitch2 , you can avoid the entire 47/49 low end war by going with the 67. And you can do the same thing you did with your first release and plan an 87 FET mic for a more affordable price and a 67 for those who would be willing pay more for tubey goodness!
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 6, 2019 23:13:57 GMT -6
Yes, I understand. Still not, nor have I been, in contradiction to your statements about the sound of the mic. We're just not operating on the same planet here, so I am going to leave it at that. I resemble that remark. And I apologize. Not a worry my friend. Happy microphoning to you.
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 6, 2019 23:15:50 GMT -6
mdmitch2 , you can avoid the entire 47/49 low end war by going with the 67. Sounds good to me! We’re leaning that way anyway.... I think the 67 makes more sense for us right now. To be honest I started this thread thinking we would make a 251 next, but the great feedback here has helped to steer us in a bit of a different direction.... Dude. 67-me.
:-)
Would love for you guys to continue the path. That fet 47 looks and sounds great. Good prices, too. Would love one of your 67s.
Best of luck in the journey.
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Post by reddirt on Feb 6, 2019 23:51:11 GMT -6
Yep as I said in an earlier post a 67 and 87 because of the shared body would make absolute sense particularly if they unquestionably nailed the sound of the best examples of those models. Cheers, Ross
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 7, 2019 10:28:01 GMT -6
Hey Heiserman, when are we going to hear about your Tube 47?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 7, 2019 11:46:07 GMT -6
Hey Heiserman , when are we going to hear about your Tube 47? We're in the middle of arranging a trip to Nashville to do some audio and video clips. So hopefully very soon!
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 7, 2019 12:42:56 GMT -6
Hey Heiserman , when are we going to hear about your Tube 47? We're in the middle of arranging a trip to Nashville to do some audio and video clips. So hopefully very soon! Have you settled on the price?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 7, 2019 13:09:26 GMT -6
We're in the middle of arranging a trip to Nashville to do some audio and video clips. So hopefully very soon! Have you settled on the price? It's looking like $2,499 for the HK47 version, at least to start. We'll also be offering an m7 style capsule, which could be priced a bit differently -- we're still working out some details.
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Post by brenta on Feb 7, 2019 13:37:40 GMT -6
Have you settled on the price? It's looking like $2,499 for the HK47 version, at least to start. We'll also be offering an m7 style capsule, which could be priced a bit differently -- we're still working out some details. Do you know yet what tube you'll be using in the mic?
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Post by reddirt on Feb 7, 2019 14:17:44 GMT -6
Had a listen on some nice cans - the Upton is fine but possibly hints at pinching when pushed in the mids ; for me the 2nd Chandler is the most universal -It's U87 esque without the pinch. Factor in the price and i'd be tempted to go there. The first Chandler has a fair bit of extraneous fat and recessed mids which would needy to be sculpted for the voice however it may sound great on other things. Better to start with bottom end than have to add it,
Cheers, Ross
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Post by tskguy on Feb 7, 2019 14:35:59 GMT -6
Hey all, Thanks for the great info!! Nice to see every ones opinions and feedback. The 67 is a personal favorite of mine, mostly cause its super cool looking on the inside And yes like Matt mentioned before a sdlc mic is on the road map but its new territory for me as a capsule maker/designer. To be honest I just need to find the hours to spend in front of the lathe to get something in the proto faze! Between NAMM and the H47 and OEM capsules.. Its been a tad busy the last 3 months. Thanks again though! Eric
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Post by tskguy on Feb 7, 2019 14:39:51 GMT -6
We are using the Tele EF800 for the H47 Tube
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Post by chessparov on Feb 7, 2019 15:32:43 GMT -6
Would it be an idea for the two types of H47 tube capsules, to be "switchable"? Thanks, Chris
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 7, 2019 15:48:06 GMT -6
Would it be an idea for the two types of H47 tube capsules, to be "switchable"? Thanks, Chris It's actually already possible with this design.... the headbasket can be removed (including the capsule) and a new one could be installed in it's placed without any special tools or soldering/wiring. It would be a pricey option though... probably around $500. But it's not out of the question for us to offer that if people want it.
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Post by reddirt on Feb 7, 2019 16:33:20 GMT -6
The Wagner U47 had the option of both capsules. Cheers, Ross
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 8, 2019 11:56:53 GMT -6
The Wagner U47 had the option of both capsules. Cheers, Ross The Wagner U47W is a hell of a microphone.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 8, 2019 11:58:27 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Wunder U47? I liked that one in some of the shootouts (as well as really liking the Flea)
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Post by drbill on Feb 8, 2019 12:18:16 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Wunder U47? I liked that one in some of the shootouts (as well as really liking the Flea) I heard one briefly once. I didn't really dig it, but it was not a session I was engineering, I was not aware of the condition of the mic, and it was a vocalist I wasn't familiar with. So.....not really sure how helpful that is, but based on my experience, it's not the FIRST place I would look if I was looking for a 47.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 8, 2019 12:21:02 GMT -6
The Wagner has a stronger Ring to it. Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 8, 2019 12:26:22 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Wunder U47? I liked that one in some of the shootouts (as well as really liking the Flea) I think Johnkenn had a CM7.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2019 12:35:01 GMT -6
Yeah. I’ve had the CM7, and both of the GT’s -k47 and m7. They could be kind of bitey/harsh in the Mids. But they definitely had the 47 character. I actually liked the kk47 a little better.
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Post by mike on Feb 8, 2019 14:22:07 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Wunder U47? I liked that one in some of the shootouts (as well as really liking the Flea)
I had the chance to try a Wunder CM7 and a Flea 47 last year, and while they're both good mic's, I preferred the Flea47 over the Wunder. I'll be very interested in hearing The Heiserman Tube 47 clips when it arrives.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 9, 2019 8:08:06 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Wunder U47? I liked that one in some of the shootouts (as well as really liking the Flea)
I had the chance to try a Wunder CM7 and a Flea 47 last year, and while they're both good mic's, I preferred the Flea47 over the Wunder.
That seems to be the internet consensus, but I don't remember seeing a lot of people explaining why they preferred the Flea. Was there a particular reason for you?
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