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Post by m03 on Apr 2, 2019 10:29:17 GMT -6
Maybe an opportunity here for someone to do custom work to make them fit (mill the threads off and resleeve the body with the correct threads), but by the time you've invested in a set of WA84s and Neumann capsules, you're only a few hundred dollars away from being in current-value KM84 territory anyway.
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Post by iamasound on Apr 2, 2019 15:35:43 GMT -6
Sounds to me like the only way to get one that's interchangeable would be to snag the pre-production pair. Wow, when I typed the above sentence, the word "snag" came out as "shag," which would completely alter the meaning of the sentence. In a really weird way. A great mic transcends actual sex. This is well known.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2019 16:07:41 GMT -6
Especially, when hung as an overhead over the bed!
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 2, 2019 16:09:00 GMT -6
Sounds to me like the only way to get one that's interchangeable would be to snag the pre-production pair. Wow, when I typed the above sentence, the word "snag" came out as "shag," which would completely alter the meaning of the sentence. In a really weird way. A great mic transcends actual sex. This is well known. Are you sure you are doing it right?
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Post by iamasound on Apr 2, 2019 16:20:34 GMT -6
A great mic transcends actual sex. This is well known. Are you sure you are doing it right? Are you questioning my mic placement?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2019 17:36:47 GMT -6
Our threads never get old !
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 2, 2019 17:37:54 GMT -6
Are you sure you are doing it right? Are you questioning my mic placement? No certainly not. Never. Never would do that. Maybe, though. It is possible, I mean...
Yes. Yes I am.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 2, 2019 17:46:44 GMT -6
Is this one of those Frank Zappa threads I heard about..
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Post by iamasound on Apr 3, 2019 0:10:29 GMT -6
Are you questioning my mic placement? No certainly not. Never. Never would do that. Maybe, though. It is possible, I mean...
Yes. Yes I am.
"Well...don't knock it till you try it," Grandma used to say before falling to her end when the parachute failed to deploy that first day of Jump School. My Grandma was a hoot! I imagine I inherited some of that from her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 0:53:30 GMT -6
Dude edited his post so am editing mine
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Post by brenta on Apr 3, 2019 14:08:20 GMT -6
Now I’m curious if these are compatible with the 3u CM-100 and Warbler 127 capsules and bodies. There’s a good chance that these are being made in the 3U factory so maybe they wanted to stick to that same threading to make it consistent with the other mics they are building.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2019 14:10:33 GMT -6
So why would the protoypes have been different ?
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Post by matt@IAA on Apr 3, 2019 14:30:15 GMT -6
That’s seems kinda sketchy to me. Threading is done on a lathe, why would it cost more or less to do one thread profile or another??
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2019 15:01:20 GMT -6
Well, if the factory orders were set up to do more of one cut than another that could change price ? so standardizing makes sense ?
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Post by brenta on Apr 3, 2019 15:23:36 GMT -6
I’m guessing a lot of the warm stuff probably uses many Chinese oem parts, and it’s cheaper for the factory to keep cranking out the same size threads they are already manufacturing anyway than to make a custom size for warm.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 3, 2019 15:38:26 GMT -6
That’s seems kinda sketchy to me. Threading is done on a lathe, why would it cost more or less to do one thread profile or another?? Volume, I would imagine.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2019 16:15:04 GMT -6
brenta if you don’t know, perhaps it’s better not to disparage the quality of a product ? Seems to me there is a big difference between changing the cut of a lathe and compromising the parts build of this mike? From the warm site: “The WA-84 is a fully discrete Class A design that utilizes a CineMag USA transformer, polystyrene and Wima capacitors and a Fairchild FET. “ So, ah, which are the cheap Chinese parts you were referring too?
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Post by notneeson on Apr 3, 2019 16:40:54 GMT -6
brenta if you don’t know, perhaps it’s better not to disparage the quality of a product ? Seems to me there is a big difference between changing the cut of a lathe and compromising the parts build of this mike? From the warm site: “The WA-84 is a fully discrete Class A design that utilizes a CineMag USA transformer, polystyrene and Wima capacitors and a Fairchild FET. “ So, ah, which are the cheap Chinese parts you were referring too? I'm a Warm owner, and not a detractor, but I do believe that in general, using off the shelf mic bodies is one way that companies keep the cost down.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2019 16:52:54 GMT -6
I don’t doubt that’s possible, but, when one holds the wa84 in one’s hands, I can guarantee you, that your first thought is not cheap Chinese knockoff.
The feel and finish are both excellent and the heft is also apparent. The only thing I dislike is the recessed pad switches, super niggly!
I don’t believe anyone here has actually said something negative listening to the wa84 on guitar, Vox and on drum overheads.
Is it a real Neumann 84 : no, does it represent good value, I think yes.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 3, 2019 16:56:28 GMT -6
I don’t doubt that’s possible, but, when one holds the wa84 in one’s hands, I can guarantee you, that your first thought is not cheap Chinese knockoff. The feel and finish are both excellent and the heft is also apparent. The only thing I dislike is the recessed pad switches, super niggly! I don’t believe anyone here has actually said something negative listening to the wa84 on guitar, Vox and on drum overheads. Is it a real Neumann 84 : no, does it represent good value, I think yes. Sure, merely commenting on how the thread spec got value engineered out of the equation— they probably didn't want to pay extra for that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2019 17:09:16 GMT -6
It was an interesting coincidence that an actual Neumann capsule body would match perfectly with the wa84 body ?
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Post by craigmorris74 on Apr 3, 2019 17:28:24 GMT -6
I think what is dodgy was that Warm used fact that the Neumann capsule would fit on the Warm body as a selling point on the forums, the acted surprised when they didn't fit. I think the mic circuit of the Warm is pretty much the same thing as a KM84, but the capsule is where things get real.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2019 17:52:25 GMT -6
I think that a bit misleading as Warm didn’t state that in any of its formal marketing and it seems to have been people asking about it that generated the conversation. Personally, I’ve bet not even 5% of wa84 buyers would ever drop the dough on Neumann capsules, as it hardly makes sense. Have you priced them ? Save a little more and buy real used Neumann 84s.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 3, 2019 18:03:48 GMT -6
It was an interesting coincidence that an actual Neumann capsule body would match perfectly with the wa84 body ? I'm thinking maybe they found an OEM who agreed to mass produce their prototype and that OEM just switched to their standard thread leaving Warm flat footed. From what I have read, substitutions aren't unusual— that's exactly what happened on the TNC group buy years ago.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2019 18:44:39 GMT -6
I have had conversations with Bryce in the past about qc issues with Chinese suppliers and my impression was that he did his homework pretty thoroughly. I liked the idea that these could take the Neumann capsule but I doubt I would ever have bought Neumann caps for them . The whole thing for me wasn’t so important but ymmv
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