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Post by M57 on Mar 25, 2019 9:45:12 GMT -6
I think that was me. Actually I would like to hear off axis in a more or less real world context. I.e. record a singer playing a guitar and put one on the singer and one on the guitar. Then audition them individually focusing on the bleeding instrument.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 25, 2019 10:03:14 GMT -6
I think that was me. Actually I would like to hear off axis in a more or less real world context. I.e. record a singer playing a guitar and put one on the singer and one on the guitar. Then audition them individually focusing on the bleeding instrument. Guess, I am being slow but , you would be listening in the vocal take for the guitar and vice versa ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 25, 2019 10:53:39 GMT -6
I think that was me. Actually I would like to hear off axis in a more or less real world context. I.e. record a singer playing a guitar and put one on the singer and one on the guitar. Then audition them individually focusing on the bleeding instrument. Guess, I am being slow but , you would be listening in the vocal take for the guitar and vice versa ? Exactly. That's the real world scenario.
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Warm WA-84
Mar 25, 2019 11:16:34 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 25, 2019 11:16:34 GMT -6
So I could print the separate tracks from the Leonard Cohen song I already recorded: it’s the 2 wa84s ?
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Post by Mister Chase on Mar 26, 2019 20:47:24 GMT -6
Sounds good! The snare is indeed real nice.
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Post by Ward on Mar 27, 2019 6:07:28 GMT -6
Guess, I am being slow but , you would be listening in the vocal take for the guitar and vice versa ? Exactly. That's the real world scenario. And it can be hell sometimes too! Last night I had to review a session for a live off the floor EP that was sitting in the can for a while. I used a U89 on vocal, pair of KM84s on guitar (XY) and a pair of U87s as room mics. The artist is very dynamic and sometimes her powerful voice overpowered the KM84s.
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Post by drsax on Mar 27, 2019 6:55:42 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Mar 27, 2019 17:55:52 GMT -6
reminds me of MK012s by oktava cool cheers Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2019 18:27:29 GMT -6
I had some octavamods before. I’d say while certainly similar the wa84 to me have more body and not the same phase sensitivity ? Just bouncing the drum parts for the drum mix off !!
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Post by Quint on Mar 27, 2019 19:16:08 GMT -6
reminds me of MK012s by oktava cool cheers Wiz There's something in the way that cymbals always sound in my MK012s that very much remind me of what I'm hearing in that clip of the WA84s.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 28, 2019 12:55:58 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on Mar 28, 2019 13:27:33 GMT -6
Those sound pretty thick and upfront on the guitar and vox. I do like it, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be listening for to see if the mic meets other's satisfaction in comparison. I did wonder if I liked the quality of the guitar better on the vox track, but the vocal then kind of covered it up. Certainly when the two are together it sounds compelling to me.
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Warm WA-84
Mar 28, 2019 14:21:08 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 28, 2019 14:21:08 GMT -6
I actually thought I was too close to the mike on the Vox. A hpf lets you dial set the bottom tightness.
In our ongoing what makes real 84s so special conversation the off axis response seemed to be a big part of that.
I originally posted this as a mix but now you can hear how each mike is picking up the other source?
At the end I was walking away from the mikes to get my dog if it matter the vocal mine would have been more directly at me the guitar mike off axis so one care hear differences there too.
I have never used a real 84 so can’t comment on any comparison there but I do think warm 84 have more body and a smoother top than did my octavamods.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 23:20:29 GMT -6
Just an FYI, according to one end user at GS, and now confirmed by Bryce at Warm, the WA84 capsules are NO LONGER compatible with Neumann KK83/84/85 capsules.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 2, 2019 0:00:19 GMT -6
Just an FYI, according to one end user at GS, and now confirmed by Bryce at Warm, the WA84 capsules are NO LONGER compatible with Neumann KK83/84/85 capsules. weird. So they definitely used to be compatible, but now they’re not?
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 2, 2019 5:13:38 GMT -6
Just an FYI, according to one end user at GS, and now confirmed by Bryce at Warm, the WA84 capsules are NO LONGER compatible with Neumann KK83/84/85 capsules. That was probably one of the only reasons I was contemplating picking up a pair. Below is what was posted on GS. I understand their reasoning for doing this, but this was a bad move, especially since they had originally announced compatibility. GS Post: Ok, so to get full clarification, I emailed Bryce. Even though he's super busy, he got back to me pretty quickly to clear things up. This is his response, verbatim. "When we prototyped the units they were interchangeable. The samples we had at NAMM were. When we moved to mass production and released them in March the factory asked if we could move to a more common threading that was easier to produce. The physical size of the capsule is still the same but the threading has changed. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused."
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2019 5:34:18 GMT -6
Ah wouldn’t that mean the first production run is and latter aren’t ?
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 2, 2019 5:36:39 GMT -6
Ah wouldn’t that mean the first production run is and latter aren’t ? See above.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2019 7:44:05 GMT -6
I did: Bryce had previously confirmed that the neumann 84 caps would fit and work on the WA84 body, so what changed ?
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Post by m03 on Apr 2, 2019 7:52:14 GMT -6
I did: Bryce had previously confirmed that the neumann 84 caps would fit and work on the WA84 body, so what changed ? Wild guess for entertainment purposes: The factory changed something that they thought didn't matter but would save them a few cents (maybe they already had tooling for that diameter but in a different thread pitch), and by the time anyone noticed, they had already shipped to retailers. I have no evidence to support my theory, but I do know people who have had similar things happen when having their products made abroad.
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Post by Ward on Apr 2, 2019 7:56:52 GMT -6
Just an FYI, according to one end user at GS, and now confirmed by Bryce at Warm, the WA84 capsules are NO LONGER compatible with Neumann KK83/84/85 capsules. That's bizarre. What changed? Are they saying that the same microphones are no longer interchangeable or are they saying that going forward, from now on, all new production units will no longer be compatible? Or did issues arise with interchanging the capsule modules?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2019 8:51:05 GMT -6
I understand the difference is the threading on the protoptype vs the production runs mikes.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 2, 2019 9:02:54 GMT -6
Just an FYI, according to one end user at GS, and now confirmed by Bryce at Warm, the WA84 capsules are NO LONGER compatible with Neumann KK83/84/85 capsules. That's bizarre. What changed? Are they saying that the same microphones are no longer interchangeable or are they saying that going forward, from now on, all new production units will no longer be compatible? Or did issues arise with interchanging the capsule modules? I'm taking it to mean all mics that have been sold are not compatible. Just the prototypes were, and it sounds like the owner believed that's what they were getting, but it might have been a bigger deal than he wanted to fight. Too bad.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2019 9:36:56 GMT -6
This implies regardless of outer tooth spacing that the innards of the Neumann cap would still fit in the wa capsule holder ?
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 2, 2019 10:25:37 GMT -6
Sounds to me like the only way to get one that's interchangeable would be to snag the pre-production pair.
Wow, when I typed the above sentence, the word "snag" came out as "shag," which would completely alter the meaning of the sentence. In a really weird way.
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