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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 6, 2018 0:41:36 GMT -6
Me want. Me want.
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Post by tskguy on Nov 6, 2018 8:09:37 GMT -6
We are doing some tracking this evening, Drums, Kick and Tom as well as bass & electric guitar. All along side a vintage neumann fet47.
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Post by iamasound on Nov 8, 2018 21:55:03 GMT -6
We have slots still available for the pre-order price!! 4 is better than 2 25 or 6 to 4 even better!
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 9, 2018 10:44:37 GMT -6
What many of you have been waiting for..... Here's the H47 vs the Neumann u47 Fet on Drums: For this video, we recorded a drum kit with a Heiserman H47 and a vintage Neumann U47 Fet placed outside the kick drum. The audio flips between the two mics along with different combinations of other drums. There is absolutely no processing on any of the kick drums (or toms, which were also recorded with H47's). For the snare (sm57) and mono overhead (Peluso p12), there was some minor EQ'ing to remove some offending frequencies, but no processing otherwise. There is also no processing on the inside kick mic (Shure P91a). There's also some slight panning on the toms, and that's it! I'll also be posting a separate video comparing the mics on Toms. If you'd like to play with the files yourself, here they are, completely raw and unedited: Outside Kick - H47
Outside Kick - u47 FetRack Tom - H47Floor Tom - H47
Inside Kick - P91a
Snare - sm57
Mono Overhead - P12
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 9, 2018 13:08:40 GMT -6
I think the U47 FET has just a little bit more on the bottom and the HK47 a little bit more on the top. They are very close though. I don't think you could go wrong with the HK47 at all. Very nice.
I'd love to hear it on upright bass whether as a comparison or just a sample.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 9, 2018 13:51:42 GMT -6
I was gonna say that too I think I heard a 'tiny' more bottom on the Neumann. still very close though.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 9, 2018 17:00:14 GMT -6
I was gonna say that too I think I heard a 'tiny' more bottom on the Neumann. still very close though. It's funny -- many of our tests have shown the H47 to have a tiny bit more low end than the u47 Fet. I think it may just come down to mic placement.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 9, 2018 17:12:23 GMT -6
I was gonna say that too I think I heard a 'tiny' more bottom on the Neumann. still very close though. It's funny -- many of our tests have shown the H47 to have a tiny bit more low end than the u47 Fet. I think it may just come down to mic placement. Well and different sections of the performance and so on. Any way you look at it, I'm impressed how close they are.
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Post by reddirt on Nov 9, 2018 17:47:51 GMT -6
I haven't listened but just the fact they're not in exactly the same spot could easily account for those marginal response differences. Cheers , Ross
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Post by sirthought on Nov 9, 2018 19:10:30 GMT -6
I think it's a nice kick drum mic sound.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 9, 2018 19:13:47 GMT -6
Frankly, I think I like the Heiserman a little better. That little bit more snap in the highs works for me. Good to know the low end ting might have been placement though, the 47 FET has a nice low end.
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Post by Ward on Nov 12, 2018 22:27:59 GMT -6
Just had to drop by and ask . . . did I win yet? Cos I'll need two red ones, and Ill buy the other one.
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Post by tskguy on Nov 13, 2018 6:37:29 GMT -6
Love you’re optimism!! The contest actually runs all month... And honestly still has very good odds! I’m very surprised the drum clips didn’t get a bit more response.. make sure and download the files.
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Post by Ward on Nov 13, 2018 7:06:26 GMT -6
Love you’re optimism!! The contest actually runs all month... And honestly still has very good odds! I’m very surprised the drum clips didn’t get a bit more response.. make sure and download the files. I like what was said about them, and agreed. There is a bit more top end clarity in the Heiserman, and the bottom end is defined....ummm.... differently in a pleasant way. The slightly lower response in the low mids takes away a little of the weight of what some of us are accustomed to, but not in a bad way. It actually works BETTER on drums that way.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 13, 2018 7:13:41 GMT -6
I’ve still got my fingers crossed over here too!
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Post by Guitar on Nov 13, 2018 7:23:06 GMT -6
I just entered, hehe.
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Post by tskguy on Nov 13, 2018 9:14:52 GMT -6
Nice!!
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 16, 2018 18:02:17 GMT -6
Here's another comparison with the Neumann u47 fet. This time, both mics are on the floor tom, side by side. We positioned them as evenly as possible, but of course both mics are picking up slightly different parts of the drum. Nevertheless, I think it'll give you a good idea of how the H47 behaves on Floor Tom. Again, there's no processing whatsoever on the files, other than to level match them.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 17, 2018 6:09:27 GMT -6
I'd like a comparison vs. the Warm Audio version. Show me why I should spend 4x more on yours.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 17, 2018 7:06:08 GMT -6
I'd like a comparison vs. the Warm Audio version. Show me why I should spend 4x more on yours. I haven’t heard the Warm, but it has a large number of design compromises to hit that price point... after which it doesn’t really resemble a u47 fet in any way that I can see. It’s a transformerless design with a ~$10 Chinese capsule, standard shock mount, no -6db pad.... it’s not really trying very hard to replicate a u47 fet. If you’re interested in how they sound, here’s an excerpt from a Music Tech review: “WA-47jr was an underwhelming experience. The WA-47jr has none of the instant gravitas of its valve sibling. On vocals the WA-47jr has a slightly nasal upper mid-range, and the huge bottom end of the bigger WA-47 is completely missing. Rather than being instantly wowed, we were grabbing for our patch cables to put an EQ across the signal. This is not to say the WA-47jr is a bad mic. And the U47 FET doesn’t sound at all like it’s older sibling either, often being used for kick drums, bass guitars and various other low-end duties. However, the WA-47jr doesn’t really fit this function either, lacking the weighty bottom end present in the U47 FET. The WA-47jr is more similar to a variety of utilitarian inexpensive large-diaphragm condensers that have passed through our hands, and because it has three pickup patterns it is actually more versatile than many of those others. In addition the WA-47 has, unlike it’s more expensive sibling, a built-in high-pass filter and 10dB pad. If you were looking for an inexpensive multi-pattern large-diaphragm condenser with a fairly open voicing, this is a great example. But don’t go in expecting a mic with anything like the qualities of either the WA-47 or the U47 FET.”
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Post by Guitar on Nov 17, 2018 7:49:36 GMT -6
Here's another comparison with the Neumann u47 fet. This time, both mics are on the floor tom, side by side. We positioned them as evenly as possible, but of course both mics are picking up slightly different parts of the drum. Nevertheless, I think it'll give you a good idea of how the H47 behaves on Floor Tom. Again, there's no processing whatsoever on the files, other than to level match them. The more I listened I struggled to come up with descriptions for how they sound different. At first, I thought the Heiserman had a little more smack and transient, and the U47 a little more resonance and tone. Once again, very small difference.
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Post by wiz on Nov 17, 2018 16:48:41 GMT -6
Here's another comparison with the Neumann u47 fet. This time, both mics are on the floor tom, side by side. We positioned them as evenly as possible, but of course both mics are picking up slightly different parts of the drum. Nevertheless, I think it'll give you a good idea of how the H47 behaves on Floor Tom. Again, there's no processing whatsoever on the files, other than to level match them. The more I listened I struggled to come up with descriptions for how they sound different. At first, I thought the Heiserman had a little more smack and transient, and the U47 a little more resonance and tone. Once again, very small difference. I think the difference, is quite significant. The only way to really know, of course is to use it on your own stuff... and they could swap mics around position wise and do the same test. But the H47 has a lot more top end in those examples.... cheers Wiz
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 17, 2018 19:14:33 GMT -6
I think the difference, is quite significant. The only way to really know, of course is to use it on your own stuff... and they could swap mics around position wise and do the same test. But the H47 has a lot more top end in those examples.... cheers These comparisons are pretty tricky to pull off accurately -- we found that on anything smaller than a kick drum, it was really difficult to position the mics side by side so that they picked up a comparable representation of the source. We also tried on guitar and bass cabs, but the tonal qualities would flip when we switched the mics' positions... For the tom recording, I think we got it close enough to warrant the comparison. That being said, the H47 does have just a touch more high frequencies than the particular Neumann that we’re using (typically 0.5 - 1 dB of eq will match the high frequency response of the two mics).. In virtually all of our comparisons we found this to be an advantage of the H47, almost always producing a more usable track that required less EQ. Anyway, hopefully the Tom video demonstrates that the H47 sounds great on toms, even if this type of comparison is inherently imperfect.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 17, 2018 19:17:06 GMT -6
Hi mdmitch2 I thought the floor tom demos was one of the most striking yet!
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Post by wiz on Nov 17, 2018 19:32:41 GMT -6
I think the difference, is quite significant. The only way to really know, of course is to use it on your own stuff... and they could swap mics around position wise and do the same test. But the H47 has a lot more top end in those examples.... cheers Wiz wiz " source="/post/178807/thread" timestamp="1542494921"] The more I listened I struggled to come up with descriptions for how they sound different. At first, I thought the Heiserman had a little more smack and transient, and the U47 a little more resonance and tone. Once again, very small difference. I think the difference, is quite significant. The only way to really know, of course is to use it on your own stuff... and they could swap mics around position wise and do the same test. But the H47 has a lot more top end in those examples.... cheers Wiz The H47 has just a touch more high frequencies than the particular Neumann that we’re using (typically 0.5 - 1 dB of eq will match the high frequency response of the two mics).. In virtually all of our comparisons we found this to be an advantage of the H47, almost always producing a more usable track that required less EQ. But on anything smaller than a kick drum, we found it was really difficult to position the mics so they picked up a comparable representation of the source. We also tried on guitar and bass cabs, but the tonal qualities would flip when we switched positions... so we’re going to go back to the studio with some DI tracks and position the mics in exactly the same positions. Anyway, hopefully the Tom video at least demonstrates that the H47 sounds great on toms, even if this type of comparison is inherently imperfect. [/quote] I hope I didn't come across in any way as negative, and if I did I apologise.... I was more commenting (thinking about how we all hear things different, and one mans significant is not another) about the difference in perception of difference..... so to speak Its a fantastic sounding mic, looks great and is at a good price... whats not to like...? cheers Wiz
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