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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2018 12:43:58 GMT -6
Just PMd...checking now... BTW peeps, there's nothing I can't get Well, ok, some things...but hit me up.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 3, 2018 13:59:21 GMT -6
Good question here - who says that the current capsules out of Sennheiser/Neumann are the same as the originals?
Who says they aren't?
I think this is probably a question for Klaus Heyne - he's on the mic forum at Terry Manning's PRW site.
I can say. I have 5 KMi bodies and have purchased two new KK84 capsules recently from Sennheiser. Have I taken comprehensive test measurements of the frequency response and diaphragm tensions.....no, but they sound identical to my other KK84 capsules. I was also referring to the question of whether reskinning is worth it.
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 3, 2018 15:20:46 GMT -6
I can say. I have 5 KMi bodies and have purchased two new KK84 capsules recently from Sennheiser. Have I taken comprehensive test measurements of the frequency response and diaphragm tensions.....no, but they sound identical to my other KK84 capsules. I was also referring to the question of whether reskinning is worth it. Yes, I would be curious as well how a reskin vs original vs new production would compare. I wonder if that's ever been specifically done.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2018 19:03:07 GMT -6
I have no insider knowledge, but SURELY after the U67 success, Neumann will start making these again. Seems like these would be a piece of cake in comparison.
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Post by ericn on Aug 3, 2018 19:13:35 GMT -6
I have no insider knowledge, but SURELY after the U67 success, Neumann will start making these again. Seems like these would be a piece of cake in comparison. It was the reason I encouraged people to buy the 47fet reissue, they had success the 84 was an obvious candidate and demand was there at a similar price for used.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2018 19:50:01 GMT -6
From what i understand the 67 has been a mongongous success
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 3, 2018 20:08:02 GMT -6
From what i understand the 67 has been a mongongous success Are you privy to sales numbers? We takin 300? 800? 2000?
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Post by Ward on Aug 3, 2018 20:18:00 GMT -6
From what i understand the 67 has been a mongongous success Are you privy to sales numbers? We takin 300? 800? 2000? Yes that would be great to know!! Both myself and aremos are buyers!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2018 20:19:48 GMT -6
I’m not...but 500 seems like a pretty high number. Let’s just say 300...I guess it really depends on how much these things cost to put together...
Let’s just guess high $2000. Although I don’t think it’s anywhere close - but some of you guys know better than me. If they only sold 300 by my math, they’ve still brought in over a million. Gotta pay for advertising and employees, but that should be some pretty big incentive.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2018 20:20:33 GMT -6
Are you privy to sales numbers? We takin 300? 800? 2000? Yes that would be great to know!! Both myself and aremos are buyers! Bet I would have beat that price.
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 3, 2018 23:25:05 GMT -6
From what i understand the 67 has been a mongongous success I first read that as "monogamous" success. I was confused.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 1:00:34 GMT -6
Yep, mics pair for life in a NOS array (No Other Spouse).
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Post by Ward on Aug 4, 2018 10:01:52 GMT -6
From what i understand the 67 has been a mongongous success I first read that as "monogamous" success. I was confused. You weren't alone!
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Post by EmRR on Aug 4, 2018 11:18:43 GMT -6
There's an extremely clean KM76 on ebay at what looks like a reasonable BIN price of $1800. No reason to be afraid of 'T' power. Ended KM86's are certainly higher lately.
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Post by rowmat on Aug 4, 2018 14:05:40 GMT -6
There's an extremely clean KM76 on ebay at what looks like a reasonable BIN price of $1800. No reason to be afraid of 'T' power. Ended KM86's are certainly higher lately. I can vouch for that!
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 6, 2018 11:06:03 GMT -6
Cheers Eric. Right, but problem is I'm worried it won't be "authentic" or whatever to the original sound. Will it be the same material? I hear the modern Thiersch capsules for the LDCs aren't as good or something, because they use a different material now? Mylar vs. PVC or something? I dunno. I'm not really clued up on any of this mic stuff. I just want my new pair to be matched as close as possible in frequency response and volume so I can do stuff like X/Y or ORTF without having to worry about it, and sound like they should. Currently they are about 4dB apart. If this will require spending about another £1k on top of the mics for two new capsules, then it will be an expensive investment! Talk to Mr Grosser or ask at Klaus’s forum. I think the material for KM8’series is 99.9% the same I think a nickel alloy? unlike the M7. The spec sheet states that the KM84 has a gold covered Mylar diaphragm.
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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2018 17:36:27 GMT -6
I am experiencing some KM84 fever.
We really think they're gonna reissue 'em?
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Post by drbill on Aug 6, 2018 18:43:23 GMT -6
We really think they're gonna reissue 'em? I don't think so. They already have the capsules in stock. They have the bodies with the 184's. It's a pretty simple circuit inside...so...... Where have they been the last 15 years???
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Post by yotonic on Aug 6, 2018 18:53:35 GMT -6
I know when I walk into my room and see my mint matching pair of KM84 with original shock mounts sitting in my grand piano, I am inspired. I have them set up like Gus Dudgeon did for Elton John and it sounds fantastic. I picked up the idea from Val Garay and it works. I've done the matching U87s, the 6 mic configs with a 251 room mic. This setup is simple and sounds like radio. VAL: "My favorite piano to record is a pre-WWII Steinway B 7′ Grand (http://www.steinway.com/pianos/steinway/grand/model-b/). The amount of punch and size of that piano has been unmatched in my experiences. My mics of preference are a pair of AKG 452EB’s, but you can also use AKG 451B’s. I place them on the inside facing down at the strings at an angle of about 15 degrees towards the pianist. The mics are just about centered with middle C on the keyboard and the capsules are spaced between 15 and 20 inches from each other. The angle between the two mics is about 75 degrees with the capsules about an inch off of the strings and 3-5 inches back from the hammers. I learned this technique from sessions with Elton John’s producer, Gus Dudgeon, back in the early ‘70s at the Sound Factory, Hollywood. We were doing strings and horns on “Philadelphia Freedom.” I couldn’t believe how huge the piano sounded. I’ve been micing pianos this way ever since and it never fails to produce a massive and wide sound."
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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2018 19:11:07 GMT -6
We really think they're gonna reissue 'em? I don't think so. They already have the capsules in stock. They have the bodies with the 184's. It's a pretty simple circuit inside...so...... Where have they been the last 15 years??? Wait. Isn’t that an arguement *for* reissuing them? Big demand, easy to do?
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 6, 2018 19:16:58 GMT -6
They would sell: how do you say a "shitfull ! " in german anyway ?
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Post by matt@IAA on Aug 6, 2018 19:20:20 GMT -6
They would sell: how do you say a "shitfull ! " in german anyway ? theres probably about thirty ways. That language is obsessed with poop.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 6, 2018 19:21:50 GMT -6
Ich Bein ein poopliner ! ?
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Post by drbill on Aug 6, 2018 20:25:17 GMT -6
I don't think so. They already have the capsules in stock. They have the bodies with the 184's. It's a pretty simple circuit inside...so...... Where have they been the last 15 years??? Wait. Isn’t that an arguement *for* reissuing them? Big demand, easy to do? Depends if you're talking about YOUR perspective or Neumann's. And theirs is the only one that matters. You may have just began your wishful thinking, but there has been demand for 20 years or so I'd wager, and there's been no movement..... I wouldn't be holding your breath.
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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2018 21:01:05 GMT -6
Wait. Isn’t that an arguement *for* reissuing them? Big demand, easy to do? Depends if you're talking about YOUR perspective or Neumann's. And theirs is the only one that matters. You may have just began your wishful thinking, but there has been demand for 20 years or so I'd wager, and there's been no movement..... I wouldn't be holding your breath. Definitely not going to plan anything around it. But with the U47Fet and the U67, Neumann has shown that they’re willing to do reissues right now. I’d say that changes the equation a good bit as far as what people have been wanting for 20 years or whatever. And the KM84 costs a helluva lot les to manufacture and due to its lower price it would be a lot more accessible to the market. They’d sell like hot cakes. Who knows.
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