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Post by ragan on Jun 10, 2018 21:54:14 GMT -6
How many of you guys put EQ across the 2? What do you like to use?
I haven't done it that much but was messing with some earlier and liking the results.
What's working well for you all?
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Post by drew571 on Jun 10, 2018 22:00:26 GMT -6
i like the elysia museq.
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Post by drbill on Jun 10, 2018 22:05:29 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 10, 2018 22:16:00 GMT -6
I’ve been thinking about trying out some sort of mastering EQ. But I’ve been using MusEQ plug...love the M/S capability.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 10, 2018 22:25:54 GMT -6
I came up with guys using eq and comp on the 2bus. It was a part of the sound that was being sculpted and had nothing to do with mastering or slamming the 2 mix.
I love love love the Neumann W495b. Recently have used the Curve Bender which is fantastic.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 10, 2018 23:55:10 GMT -6
DIYRE EQP5. Adds some nice stuff to it. I have the vintage mod on it.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 11, 2018 2:58:57 GMT -6
Very rare that I do.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 11, 2018 4:23:53 GMT -6
To my mind it's a throw back to the days of mixing on big desks where the channel EQ's where not that great and the less you used of them the better (even SSL's on the high end could get pretty harsh sounding) so that some general shaping in the top end and bass meant less reliance of channel EQ.
Now with the precision of ITB mixing and EQ's like DMG Equilibrium and Fabfilter Q2 - unless your're in a hurry
and need to mix really quickly and have limited time to set up multiple channel EQ's - I prefer the precision of channel EQ.
I've got a beautiful Millennia master quality EQ but I never use it on the 2 bus as I prefer to EQ channel by channel.
Everyone ones work flow and production visions are different though and I'm sure some people do amazing mixes using EQ on the 2 bus.
Analog Compression and saturation are different and I do use those on my 2 bus.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 11, 2018 4:32:19 GMT -6
I've got a Hendyamps Michelangelo that's really, really good. Tubes and transformers for days. I use it subtly, and it just makes things sound better, every time. I also have a pair of the DIYRE EQP5's (vintage mod) with Litz transformers and OPA1612's. They're pretty good, too, and more affordable. The EQ on the Silverbullet is awesome as well. Love that. ragan, you'd really dig that box. |
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Post by nick8801 on Jun 11, 2018 5:49:53 GMT -6
My Neve 8803 works great on the mix bus. It doesn’t really have a color per say, but it does make things sound a little more “real” to my ears. Usually set to high pass at 30, a little bass boost around 100, sometimes a cut around 250, and some presence at 3.5. These are subtle moves that help the mix to open up a bit. I’ll also use my rjr bax eq occasionally for the high end. Boosting a little top doesn’t really sound like eq, it just makes the mix sound really open up top. Sort of like a pultec. These are all on while I mix, not just tossed on at the end. I also use a pair of rnd 542’s, and while not being an eq, they do have a curve to them. Especially with the silk engaged. I mostly use those for a little saturation and compression on the upper frequencies.
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Post by swurveman on Jun 11, 2018 6:45:30 GMT -6
I use a GML 8200 after my Smart C2 compressor
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Post by svart on Jun 11, 2018 6:47:39 GMT -6
I don't EQ on master anymore. I found it was too easy to lead myself astray during mixing, especially with high frequency fatigue.
I find that if I need eq on the 2 bus then I've messed up the mix somewhere.
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Post by nomatic on Jun 11, 2018 7:13:54 GMT -6
Hendy amps Michelangelo....
Kills.....
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Post by mikec on Jun 11, 2018 7:40:09 GMT -6
The Silver Bullet currently gives me pretty much what I need for 2 Bus EQ.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 11, 2018 9:33:48 GMT -6
Not in over 45 years in the biz. If a stereo mix needs an extra EQ that mix isn't ready for prime time. Keep working it until it is.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 11, 2018 9:39:37 GMT -6
For mixing? Or Mastering?
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Post by ragan on Jun 11, 2018 10:04:20 GMT -6
For mixing? Or Mastering? Mixing |
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 11, 2018 10:05:02 GMT -6
For mixing? Or Mastering? Mixing My favorite 2-bus EQ for Mixing is the Retro 2A3 |
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Post by bram on Jun 11, 2018 10:28:37 GMT -6
I've got a Hendyamps Michelangelo that's really, really good. Tubes and transformers for days. I use it subtly, and it just makes things sound better, every time. I also have a pair of the DIYRE EQP5's (vintage mod) with Litz transformers and OPA1612's. They're pretty good, too, and more affordable. The EQ on the Silverbullet is awesome as well. Love that. ragan , you'd really dig that box. How do the EQP5's compare to a tube-based Pultec, have you been able to compare? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 11, 2018 10:36:31 GMT -6
I'm using FF Pro-Q if I'm ITB or a Crane Song Ibis if OTB.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 11, 2018 10:58:26 GMT -6
I've got a Hendyamps Michelangelo that's really, really good. Tubes and transformers for days. I use it subtly, and it just makes things sound better, every time. I also have a pair of the DIYRE EQP5's (vintage mod) with Litz transformers and OPA1612's. They're pretty good, too, and more affordable. The EQ on the Silverbullet is awesome as well. Love that. ragan , you'd really dig that box. How do the EQP5's compare to a tube-based Pultec, have you been able to compare? The Hendyamps MA isn't Pultec based. I've got a pair of NOS Stams coming my way eventually. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 11, 2018 11:58:26 GMT -6
To my mind it's a throw back to the days of mixing on big desks where the channel EQ's where not that great and the less you used of them the better (even SSL's on the high end could get pretty harsh sounding) so that some general shaping in the top end and bass meant less reliance of channel EQ. Now with the precision of ITB mixing and EQ's like DMG Equilibrium and Fabfilter Q2 - unless your're in a hurry and need to mix really quickly and have limited time to set up multiple channel EQ's - I prefer the precision of channel EQ. I've got a beautiful Millennia master quality EQ but I never use it on the 2 bus as I prefer to EQ channel by channel. Everyone ones work flow and production visions are different though and I'm sure some people do amazing mixes using EQ on the 2 bus. Analog Compression and saturation are different and I do use those on my 2 bus. There are plenty of big consoles that have really nice eqs. However, the less you need to use ANY EQ the better because they all produce artifacts. The least egregious are often the old inductor based passive EQs. When I do use EQ on the 2 I have a pair of old Altec/Langevin 9062A 7 band graphics. They're able to a a nice little lift in the presence region without accentuating the tendency of my voice toward sibilance - which very few other EQs are capable of, and indeed they are pretty inaudible in action. The range is only +/- 6dB per band. and they do require a preamp for makeup gain, for which I use an A-Designs KGB-2, as the insertion loss is pretty considerable - around 20 dB or so.
I do use slight compression on the 2, maybe 1 or 2 dB, never saturation.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 11, 2018 12:06:57 GMT -6
Not in over 45 years in the biz. If a stereo mix needs an extra EQ that mix isn't ready for prime time. Keep working it until it is. The Altec passives are capable of adding something to the overall mix that cannot be achieved with channel EQ. This is a case in which use of the overused term "glue" is appropriate. You can't "glue" a mix with individual channel EQs, I don't care what type or technology they may be. It's the same thing as with buss compression.
Of course (as with compression) you have to mix into the EQ, you don't slap in on later.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 11, 2018 13:05:56 GMT -6
Altec passives are coil designs. They also rely on the recovery amplifier's THD, noise, slew rate, IMD, phase shift etc, which can vary the results considerably.
In the dynamic domain, coils ring and can saturate. That is another form of distortion but if added to every track I suppose it can "glue" everything together by slowing/ringing everything in tandem. Sort of like that main group of riders in a cross country bike race. Most of our fav and best engineered recordings did not use a final buss EQ during mixdown. The technology they used worked just fine without needing a passive Altec EQ strapped across the mix buss.
Equalizing the mix buss while mixing is akin to pushing down ping-pong balls with your thumb while they float on water. If your mix needs a final stereo EQ, leave that to the mastering guy or risk messing it all up for him first.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 11, 2018 13:39:07 GMT -6
Meh, I use mine on the 2bus because its all the more transformers that get added. As they are Pultec designs, I use the boost and cut very conservatively. You can A/B a mix and it sounds better..even with nothing boosted/cut.
Transformers/opamps are nice like that.
There is always room for the mastering guy to do his thing.
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