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Post by swurveman on Jun 10, 2018 10:57:40 GMT -6
360 contracts. They take a piece of everything the artist does. Yep it is no longer about creating an artist it is about celebrity, selling everything but records. Music is just the means to a fashion label and reality show. The stupid thing is nobody explains good music is the long play and will continue to generate a income long after the looks and the popularity fades. We were joking around here on a semi related note our idea of what got Lindsey fired from Fleetwood Mac, “ but guys I can make as much from a Jeep and Drug ad sitting on my ass as living in hotels and planes for a year!” I had a kid come into the studio who sang vocals over a Karaoke track of the song "Up Down" by Morgan Wallen ft Florida Georgia line. There's a line in the song that goes "Somebody pass that fifth of Camp this way". I didn't know what "Camp" was. So, I looked it up. Turns out it is a whiskey owned and sold by two members of Florida Georgia line. oldcampwhiskey.com That being said, I can't say I blame them and I'm not sure their audience cares one way or the other. |
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 10, 2018 15:20:45 GMT -6
360 contracts. They take a piece of everything the artist does. Yep it is no longer about creating an artist it is about celebrity, selling everything but records. Music is just the means to a fashion label and reality show. The stupid thing is nobody explains good music is the long play and will continue to generate a income long after the looks and the popularity fades. We were joking around here on a semi related note our idea of what got Lindsey fired from Fleetwood Mac, “ but guys I can make as much from a Jeep and Drug ad sitting on my ass as living in hotels and planes for a year!”
And thats the reason why its so important to find a niche for the music you love. Its not easy but its possible and my opinion better than the dream of the big deal.
See how long faces are there today. There are a few exceptions that last long.
I can say live is good to me and I am happy that sometimes good things happen to my music.
Last week one of my tunes was used on TV....no big deal, but it makes me happy....
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Post by Ward on Jun 10, 2018 17:25:19 GMT -6
And what's with the huge proliferation of 'Charts' that every boy and his laptop seem to be aiming for?
One of those charts a band cited to me was 'Number 1 hit music chart' where they were bragging to me about having a song at the top of this chart . . . and there are hundreds and hundreds of others. They mean nothing but . . . they also take away the impact of an artist or songwriter actually achieving something difficult.
I think of them as 'Participation Badges'
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Post by drumhead57 on Jun 10, 2018 21:50:25 GMT -6
Today's music is none of my business
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 11, 2018 4:50:13 GMT -6
Today's music is none of my business
Music is my business and its a wonderful waht happens if I conect to listeners.
We start to talk about songs and why they are there, we talk about the aim of the song.
Those conversatiosn are priceless.
No money in the world can buy the connection I get over the music into the souls.
Money is nice too, but its not the reason why I write songs.
I write songs becasue I need to create something, its like breahting air to me.
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Post by mcirish on Jun 11, 2018 9:32:47 GMT -6
They also have done massive marketing to the Beatles. Just use You-Tube to travel back .... they where placed in TV shows at prime time etc. I agree with the part that performers do not write thier music/songs anymore. It klills the songs soul and this was my main reason to not join the writers game when I was asked. It has nothing to do with creative freedom, its more like working in a factory. And all this is one reason why I consume a lot of music from Band-Camp. I can find true creative Bands which touch my soul and sometimes put tears on my face. A few years back, I met with various publishers around Nashville and had a meeting with a rep at BMI. After learning how limited the scope of songwriting they were looking for, I decided to drop that dream of being a songwriter for others and started releasing stuff on my own. You're absolutely right that you have to find other means of finding interesting and powerful new music. The mainstream media just doesn't have a clue as to what many people feel is good music. There's huge money promoting what's on the radio... which is why I don't listen to it much. I don't think I'll ever hear a Punch Brothers song on mainstream radio, which is a shame. Truly gifted people are often overlooked for the "beautiful" people who are willing to shed their clothes for stardom. Shadowfields on bandcamp |
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Post by drumhead57 on Jun 11, 2018 23:33:25 GMT -6
There are actually many new artists that I've heard over the past 5 years or so that really impressed me. None of them follow that formulaic path that the guy in the video described.
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Post by Ward on Jun 12, 2018 13:03:55 GMT -6
Truly gifted people are often overlooked for That's a shame But I'm ok with this part |
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Post by Ward on Jun 12, 2018 13:04:41 GMT -6
There are actually many new artists that I've heard over the past 5 years or so that really impressed me. None of them follow that formulaic path that the guy in the video described. Please list them!! (Psst . . . Father John Misty has already been covered!) |
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Post by ericn on Jun 12, 2018 14:17:20 GMT -6
Truly gifted people are often overlooked for That's a shame But I'm ok with this part Well 1/2 of them at least. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 12, 2018 15:47:33 GMT -6
That's a shame But I'm ok with this part Well 1/2 of them at least. What if you're one of them in the LGBTQQIA who likes more than one flavor?  . literally asking for a friend LOL |
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Post by ericn on Jun 12, 2018 16:32:43 GMT -6
Well 1/2 of them at least. What if you're one of them in the LGBTQQIA who likes more than one flavor? . literally asking for a friend LOL Then you lust for them all! |
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 12, 2018 16:59:58 GMT -6
That's a shame But I'm ok with this part Well 1/2 of them at least. Beat me to it! |
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Post by drumhead57 on Jun 12, 2018 21:05:42 GMT -6
There are actually many new artists that I've heard over the past 5 years or so that really impressed me. None of them follow that formulaic path that the guy in the video described. Please list them!! (Psst . . . Father John Misty has already been covered!) Here are just some that leap to mind. Note: not all of these are "new", just new to me. Nathaniel Rateliff & The Night Sweats Marcus King Little Big Town Duffy (Mercy) The New Mastersounds I had to learn songs by some of these artists recently in a cover band and was impressed. |
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Post by jampa on Jun 13, 2018 1:47:09 GMT -6
This ties in with a question that came to mind this morning on my walk..... How are record labels making money nowadays? How are they staying open? Serious question. cheers Wiz a few years ago now (?) there was a leak of an internal memo from one major label saying to drop everyone but the household names |
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Post by joseph on Jun 13, 2018 8:02:39 GMT -6
My biggest problem with the vast majority of music today is that it's emotionally shallow.
Sure back in the day you had people crying about flames and break ups and so on, but it was done in an interesting way either musically or better still it was emotionally real, which is hard to describe except in contrast to what is obviously not. You had bubble gum music, and yes the Beatles wrote bad songs too, but it was easy to separate wheat from the chaff. Now people insist the chaff is the wheat.
This is a new development, people equate everything and think that shallow pop music is just as valid as Beethoven, let alone good pop music. If there's anything smart (but really not that smart), people fall over themselves, like what happens at the Oscars every year. People think that Banksy is equal to Rembrandt.
Singers mostly whine and you have producer driven consensus on ersatz emotional signals, like torch songs, which is just marketing to lowest common denominator.
Or you have intricate electronic music, but messy arrangements and no emotional complexity because there are no words it's just about cool sounds or the lyrics are shit or it's an endless emotional pastiche that may have been interesting originally, like ambient music with "field recordings" and granular clouds. Or you get a lot of smoke and mirrors around what is essentially white people whining earnestly about their ennui > see Radiohead and most indie music.
For most popular music today at least there are no interesting chord changes, i.e. emotional shifts. Compare anyone today with the Beatles in this area and they fail miserably. Songs now are one stupid idea over and over, which is ironic because my favorite songs tend to be one good idea with one good chord change for 2 minutes max and that's it. But that's too high a bar, apparently.
Finally music takes itself way too seriously or not seriously enough. There is a lack of genuine humor, by which I mean self-awareness. Talking heads or Devo or Frank Black are good examples. I don't mean a shtick like John Misty, although that's better than nothing. Courtney Barnett or the Breeders are good examples of people playing today who get this.
I could go on and on but the lack of interesting emotional content is the main thing. I mean look at the world today and most music is about nothing at all or if you're lucky it's actually about that feeling of having nothing to say because people have no life experience. Pathetic.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 13, 2018 8:28:25 GMT -6
If only we were this concerned about all the good sounding music in the world.
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Post by joseph on Jun 13, 2018 8:34:15 GMT -6
If only we were this concerned about all the good sounding music in the world. True, but being critical about bad art and standards sometimes pays off, see Paul Zimmerman or François Truffaut. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 13, 2018 8:48:35 GMT -6
If only we were this concerned about all the good sounding music in the world. If only we could easily find all the good sounding music. |
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 13, 2018 9:11:53 GMT -6
Good stuff is out there but it's harder to find. Modern pop/rock is a desolate place. Back when there were only 50,000 releases per year it was easier to find the good stuff. Now you have to sort through millions of releases.
It's out there but like a treasure, you must search hard for it.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 13, 2018 10:52:24 GMT -6
I guess not many people have buddies that own record stores. All it takes is one Music pimp, and you're hooked......
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2018 11:55:24 GMT -6
I guess not many people have buddies that own record stores. All it takes is one Music pimp, and you're hooked...... Most of the music pimps are out of business. |
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 13, 2018 13:03:29 GMT -6
I guess not many people have buddies that own record stores. All it takes is one Music pimp, and you're hooked...... Most of the music pimps are out of business. Not all of them. I have a DJ friend [who is a very successful local Hip Hop producer] who recently started a new boutique record store. He ordered like 10,000 records the other day. Honestly, I am super surprised that many of you say its "hard to find" new music. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2018 13:21:30 GMT -6
Most of the music pimps are out of business. Not all of them. I have a DJ friend [who is a very successful local Hip Hop producer] who recently started a new boutique record store. He ordered like 10,000 records the other day. Honestly, I am super surprised that many of you say its "hard to find" new music. Depends where you live to a large degree. When I lived in The City there were lots of record shops, both in SF and The East Bay. 60 miles north in Fairfield there aren't even any real music bars except one way out by the airbase. And they only have music 2 nights a week mostly Top 40/oldies bands. For CDs there's Best Buy, which is discontinuing music by the end of the year. No vinyl. I'm not sure where the nearest vinyl store is.
Would a Hip-Hop producer be likely to carry the sort(s) of music I listen to?
On the internet the problem is largely the amount of dreck you have to wade through to find anything beyond the stuff promoted by the narrowcasting blogs.
Even where there are record shops (outside the central SF urban area) there's nothing like Tower Records anymore. It's too expensive to maintain stock of everything. And places with listening booths? Forget it.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 13, 2018 13:24:18 GMT -6
If only we were this concerned about all the good sounding music in the world. I'm with you, man. The guys that go around saying "music sucks now" makes me yawn. Like the dudes reliving the glory days of high school football or something. C'mon. And I'm not a young dude, either. I'll be 40 this year. I think I'm enjoying new music more than ever. But you have to find it. It's not going to be spoon fed to you anymore, unless you like "McDonalds" (the fast food of music). I think you know what I mean by that. If you don't have an opinion leader of new music in your social circle, then get one. Or be one. You know, that guy that's always telling you to check out this new band or that new band. That's how you get turned on. Spotify and Pandora do it with an algorithm. But I'm telling you, I must get turned on to a half dozen or more good new bands a month. But I ain't listening to the radio. And I ain't going around saying new music sucks. It's just such a closed-minded way of thinking. It's like your mind is already made up. |
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