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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 23, 2019 14:23:37 GMT -6
All good, Derek. We all have that excitement with new gear, and sometimes think that it's the best thing ever without even testing it. And I agree that for your needs you made the best decision with the BAE. My point was just that the DI was not as it should be, regardless which transformer it had. You could hear in that video the real difference between the Sowter and the Carnhill If direct bass is all you’re using it for, you could have saved about $6000 on a pair of BAEs and bought a DI which is going to sound preferable 80% of the time. Anyway, I couldn’t care less about the DI on the Stam. I’m using it for the mic pre.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 23, 2019 14:33:26 GMT -6
I have the one channel SA73 with the Sowters. I've used Neve's on occasion. Just before getting the SA73 I did some tests on a restored vintage Neve console at Fab Dupont's studio here in NYC. The SA73 had the same weight and energy the Neve had. It didn't sound like a clone that was close but different, it sounded like the Neve and was probably no different than any two of the same vintage pieces of anything made at different times would be.
That said, it may be some people prefer a little more transparency in the highs or some other thing, but I've been very happy with my SA73 because it does what it does right. If I want something different, I use something different. For instance I love the SA73 on bass, but prefer my Dizengoff D4 on vocals, especially with the SA67 mic. It's probably because those are in the classic Beatles mic and preamp style and I dig that.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 23, 2019 16:33:27 GMT -6
All good, Derek. We all have that excitement with new gear, and sometimes think that it's the best thing ever without even testing it. And I agree that for your needs you made the best decision with the BAE. My point was just that the DI was not as it should be, regardless which transformer it had. You could hear in that video the real difference between the Sowter and the Carnhill If direct bass is all you’re using it for, you could have saved about $6000 on a pair of BAEs and bought a DI which is going to sound preferable 80% of the time. Anyway, I couldn’t care less about the DI on the Stam. I’m using it for the mic pre. i wanted an all in one mic preamp, DI input and line input, no more no less. Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/8568/stam-audio-1073eq-new-release?page=34#ixzz5uXiAliHk
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 23, 2019 19:06:01 GMT -6
Lol
Those files aren't a good comparison of anything. Did most of you miss that it's a BAE 1084???
AKA...not even the same circuit as a 1073?
The bae is a clone too don't forget on a Neve..
So not sure why everyone is up in arms. Totally different stuff.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 23, 2019 19:30:42 GMT -6
Lol Those files aren't a good comparison of anything. Did most of you miss that it's a BAE 1084??? AKA...not even the same circuit as a 1073? The bae is a clone too don't forget on a Neve.. So not sure why everyone is up in arms. Totally different stuff. I thought the 1084 was just a variant of the 1073. Is it a variant of the 1081?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 23, 2019 19:36:27 GMT -6
Lol Those files aren't a good comparison of anything. Did most of you miss that it's a BAE 1084??? AKA...not even the same circuit as a 1073? The bae is a clone too don't forget on a Neve.. So not sure why everyone is up in arms. Totally different stuff. I thought the 1084 was just a variant of the 1073. Is it a variant of the 1081? Hmm I'll have to look now. I thought it was based on the 1081?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 23, 2019 19:44:46 GMT -6
I stand corrected!
1084 is based off a 1073 preamp still with a different EQ section.
Nevermind!
I'll go back to waiting to hear how these compare to ez1073s
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 23, 2019 20:12:40 GMT -6
If direct bass is all you’re using it for, you could have saved about $6000 on a pair of BAEs and bought a DI which is going to sound preferable 80% of the time. Anyway, I couldn’t care less about the DI on the Stam. I’m using it for the mic pre. i wanted an all in one mic preamp, DI input and line input, no more no less. Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/8568/stam-audio-1073eq-new-release?page=34#ixzz5uXiAliHkDo the 1084's have the Bootsy mod DI? I owned a dual DMP with one channel of the Bootsy and one channel of the standard DI. The Bootsy mod was head and shoulders above the standard to my ears.
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Post by phantom on Jul 23, 2019 20:30:01 GMT -6
Do the 1084's have the Bootsy mod DI? I owned a dual DMP with one channel of the Bootsy and one channel of the standard DI. The Bootsy mod was head and shoulders above the standard to my ears. Yeah, the Bootsy Mod, that is basically a Jensen transformer between the input and the mic transformer, makes it better for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 20:39:25 GMT -6
I had issues with my Heritage Elite 1073 as well. The first batch all had loose tension HPF knobs because they had the wrong ones delivered, but they were in a race to get them out at the same time as Warm’s 1073 so they just shipped them anyway. My DI either died or was always dead. I tried contacting Heritage several times over a period of a couple months and never got a response. Upon posting about that on a forum, the distributor said I should contact them, but it doesn’t say that anything about that on the Heritage website. I’ve shot out the Stam mkii with Sowters against BAE and Heritage and Warm. I probably still have the clips somewhere. The Heritage and BAE have a similar tone but the BAE has more detail and life to it. The Stam is darker and smoother with more low mids. I’ve kept the Stam and BAE after owning all of those. The Stam is without a doubt much darker, the detail in my Bae 1084's is much more present. It depends on what you like, i like to plug into a preamp and here exactly what my source sounds like, then change it accordingly to my taste, As you can hear in these two clips without any EQ engaged, the Bae has much more detail. But to be fair, Stam's 1073 isn't supposed to sound like a BAE, it is modeled after the vintage Neve 1073 which i don't have to compare. I like stams sowter a lot more than carnhill due to more tighter and extended base freq response from I heard from youtube video comparisons of singing and electric Guitars, so much that I have it on backorder. Don't care for BAE. But the di comparison here with stam sounding kinda bad/muffled. could it be its defective? The preamp sounds great, Something gota be wrong with ur unit cause on bass DI, it sounds absolutely killer on bass here
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 24, 2019 2:52:00 GMT -6
The Bae 1084 has the same eq points as a 1073, with a few more added frequency points. High Frequency: +/-16dB shelving with selectable frequencies of 10kHz, 12kHz and 16kHz Low Frequency: +/-16dB shelving with selectable frequencies of 35Hz, 60Hz, 110Hz & 220Hz. Mid Range: +/-12dB or +/-18dB peaking with switchable 'High Q', selectable centre frequencies of 0.36kHz, 0.7kHz, 1.6kHz, 3.2kHz, 4.8kHz & 7.2kHz. High Pass Filter: 18dB per octave slope, switchable between 45Hz, 70Hz, 160Hz & 360Hz EQ Button: Switches the equaliser on or off Phase Button: 180° No this 1084 does not have the bootsy mod Jensen transformer just Carnhills.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 15:26:42 GMT -6
The Bae 1084 has the same eq points as a 1073, with a few more added frequency points. High Frequency: +/-16dB shelving with selectable frequencies of 10kHz, 12kHz and 16kHz Low Frequency: +/-16dB shelving with selectable frequencies of 35Hz, 60Hz, 110Hz & 220Hz. Mid Range: +/-12dB or +/-18dB peaking with switchable 'High Q', selectable centre frequencies of 0.36kHz, 0.7kHz, 1.6kHz, 3.2kHz, 4.8kHz & 7.2kHz. High Pass Filter: 18dB per octave slope, switchable between 45Hz, 70Hz, 160Hz & 360Hz EQ Button: Switches the equaliser on or off Phase Button: 180° No this 1084 does not have the bootsy mod Jensen transformer just Carnhills. I Don't think anybody asked all that? Are u affiliated with Bae? The thread is about stam not BAE
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Post by jacobamerritt on Jul 24, 2019 16:10:58 GMT -6
The Bae 1084 has the same eq points as a 1073, with a few more added frequency points. I Don't think anybody asked all that? Are u affiliated with Bae? The thread is about stam not BAE The dude is posting the specs because he posted some tracks from a BAE unit for comparison. People were curious.
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Post by phantom on Jul 24, 2019 17:56:46 GMT -6
The Bae 1084 has the same eq points as a 1073, with a few more added frequency points. High Frequency: +/-16dB shelving with selectable frequencies of 10kHz, 12kHz and 16kHz Low Frequency: +/-16dB shelving with selectable frequencies of 35Hz, 60Hz, 110Hz & 220Hz. Mid Range: +/-12dB or +/-18dB peaking with switchable 'High Q', selectable centre frequencies of 0.36kHz, 0.7kHz, 1.6kHz, 3.2kHz, 4.8kHz & 7.2kHz. High Pass Filter: 18dB per octave slope, switchable between 45Hz, 70Hz, 160Hz & 360Hz EQ Button: Switches the equaliser on or off Phase Button: 180° No this 1084 does not have the bootsy mod Jensen transformer just Carnhills. I Don't think anybody asked all that? Are u affiliated with Bae? The thread is about stam not BAE People were actually discussing how the 1084 is similar to the 1073, so Derek helped telling it's frequency points and how they differ.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 25, 2019 1:00:37 GMT -6
The Bae 1084 has the same eq points as a 1073, with a few more added frequency points. High Frequency: +/-16dB shelving with selectable frequencies of 10kHz, 12kHz and 16kHz Low Frequency: +/-16dB shelving with selectable frequencies of 35Hz, 60Hz, 110Hz & 220Hz. Mid Range: +/-12dB or +/-18dB peaking with switchable 'High Q', selectable centre frequencies of 0.36kHz, 0.7kHz, 1.6kHz, 3.2kHz, 4.8kHz & 7.2kHz. High Pass Filter: 18dB per octave slope, switchable between 45Hz, 70Hz, 160Hz & 360Hz EQ Button: Switches the equaliser on or off Phase Button: 180° No this 1084 does not have the bootsy mod Jensen transformer just Carnhills. I Don't think anybody asked all that? Are u affiliated with Bae? The thread is about stam not BAE Lol a few people were asking about this if you go back and read, and no I am not affiliated with any company, and it’s comments like this that make being part of a forum community that rub me the wrong way. What’s up with the unpleasantness?
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Post by 000 on Jul 25, 2019 2:29:57 GMT -6
For what it’s worth - my 1073MPA sounds great for DI guitar/bass. Albeit jts the first in a longer chain - but super smooth and “record” like.
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Post by Quint on Jul 25, 2019 10:23:46 GMT -6
I Don't think anybody asked all that? Are u affiliated with Bae? The thread is about stam not BAE Lol a few people were asking about this if you go back and read, and no I am not affiliated with any company, and it’s comments like this that make being part of a forum community that rub me the wrong way. What’s up with the unpleasantness? In all fairness, you DID post a review on Stam's website, and you DID make a YouTube video (with a song written about the Stam 1073) and you DID post a review on RGO and you DID post a review on GS, in which in all four instances you DID say it was the best preamp you've ever used, despite the fact that you never even plugged a mic into it and despite the fact that you initially described it as crisp and airy with a forward presence and now say that it is too dark and, as a result, have apparently already gotten rid of both units. It's easy to see how some people might begin to draw certain conclusions.....
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 25, 2019 15:15:26 GMT -6
Lol a few people were asking about this if you go back and read, and no I am not affiliated with any company, and it’s comments like this that make being part of a forum community that rub me the wrong way. What’s up with the unpleasantness? In all fairness, you DID post a review on Stam's website, and you DID make a YouTube video (with a song written about the Stam 1073) and you DID post a review on RGO and you DID post a review on GS, in which in all four instances you DID say it was the best preamp you've ever used, despite the fact that you never even plugged a mic into it and despite the fact that you initially described it as crisp and airy with a forward presence and now say that it is too dark and, as a result, have apparently already gotten rid of both units. It's easy to see how some people might begin to draw certain conclusions..... I already explained myself, when i first plugged in my bass i was so thrilled to hear the warmth i got. I really loved the sound !!!!! I had a lot going on at the time, i couldn't do a bunch of tests, which now i realize i should've done all my usual testing, vocals, drum kit, acoustic guitar and so on.. I made the Stam video as a thank you and with a little humor, the youtube video wasn't a review at all. You guys are like broken records, you keep repeating the same thing, "you said it was the best preamp you ever heard etc etc" I got really excited about the preamps and posted a lot of positive thoughts. I have a great relationship with All of the Stam employees, there might have been something strange going on with my two units when i tested it. But in the end, i don't care if all of you said it was the best preamp in the world, i would have to test it for myself. These are all discussions, no more, no less but everyone takes every word to heart so deeply, test everything for yourself and don't listen to what others are saying, weather its positive or negative. Speaking of positive, who else is loving their Stam 1073eq's, thats what i want to hear more of ? ;-) Who's got some audio samples ? Carnhill Sowter ? Lets hear them. And for the record.... i should have done all the testing before giving my opinion, and i should've held my excitement to myself until i could make an informed decision. And for that i apologize if i misled anyone.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 25, 2019 16:36:03 GMT -6
Got mine back today. Sounds fantastic.
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Post by phantom on Jul 26, 2019 7:18:12 GMT -6
Got mine back today. Sounds fantastic. Great. If you have time, can you test the DI to see how it is different from another DI of yours. I'll eventually receive mine and run this test too, and post here as well.
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Post by stam on Jul 26, 2019 8:02:37 GMT -6
Bare in mind the original had no DI, we added our own to it
I still dont think it's relevant at all since it does not go through the input transformer
You want to use a direct box for sure
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:00:15 GMT -6
Bare in mind the original had no DI, we added our own to it I still dont think it's relevant at all since it does not go through the input transformer You want to use a direct box for sure how come?? it would be nice to have that option included, i believe its a must. your competitor, heritage does go through input transformer, so does the BAE if im not mistaking. yes it didnt have it back then. but in 2019, more modern options is always appreciated for the musicians needs now. from the heritage description below. "The DI circuit is ahead of the Mic Input transformer, so the transformer is on when in DI mode"
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Post by phantom on Jul 26, 2019 13:00:17 GMT -6
Bare in mind the original had no DI, we added our own to it I still dont think it's relevant at all since it does not go through the input transformer You want to use a direct box for sure My opinion is that if you don't think the DI sounds good, and a direct box would be needed for sure, you shouldn't include the DI on the unit. It would be better even for you, because other people like Derek could test first the DI and have a bad impression about the hardware as a whole.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 26, 2019 13:49:24 GMT -6
It’s kind of Important to realize the di is not the pre.
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Post by drbill on Jul 26, 2019 15:10:40 GMT -6
It’s kind of Important to realize the di is not the pre. Not sure what you mean by that. IMO, they are in fact two in the same. I might like the handling of a car, but not the power delivery, but they are one in the same. I view the DI of a pre, and the pre itself the same way.
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