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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 3, 2014 11:26:02 GMT -6
Thanx man, I will have some picks up this summer, this kit has been a long time coming, I'm hoping to make a splash with it, and u guys here will be the first to see it when i drop it, 5 years of trial, error R&D! It's turning out quite spectacular in my very biased opinion lol, it's got some design feature never seen before, I'm very excited about getting it out there! You're designing the kit to sell or just as a DIY project for yourself? Well.. I wasn't goin to talk about this till it's done, but mehh.. 8) I'm hoping to do a very hi end offering, they will be made custom around each individual player, requiring fitting and layout trips to my shop, they are made with attention to detail that is unmatched to my knowledge? I came up with proprietary ways to true the shells, to ensure permanent roundness, squareness to bearing edge precision, symmetrical venting, drum stabilization and quite a bit more. Tuning range is crazy good and easy as pie, they are incredibly dynamic drums. It's been a lot of work to get it where it is, I'm a little protective right now( that's why no pics), I hope that when I finally get it out, that companies like mic & mod don't steal my designs lol
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Post by Guitar on Mar 3, 2014 14:46:03 GMT -6
this is all good, yes!
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Post by drumrec on Mar 3, 2014 18:07:37 GMT -6
great stuff drumrec. cheers for loading this up. punchy and roomy!!
were you using 2 snare mics? or testing? also keen to hear your thoughts on mono overhead placement?
what mic setup did you use? Thanks and glad you liked it! It's the same mic set that I have on page one of this thread. But I took Korby U67 mic and put it above my head pointing down to the snare. So they mic which was the main source of this sound is Korby U67 mono OH and Soundelux mic standing a few feet in front of the bass drum. Then I sneaked up with Coles 4038:s and stereo overhead and the rest of the mic. I have two mic to the snare is that one mangles pretty hard in the compressor and puts quite low in the mix (a bit like a dirty mic). With each new recording, it becomes that it is testing something new. Everything depending on the song, style, etc. That's the fun of the drum recording, never gets boring
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 3, 2014 18:21:03 GMT -6
drumrec, dude that sounds great. So much better than the sound Bonham had IMHO. I never really was a fan of those drum sounds that everybody seemed to drool over. Lol you shouldn't say that out loud bro, Its probably the perfect thing to say in order to eliminate your studio from the competition if bands are looking for great drum sounds. 90% of musicians out there would agree, Bonzo had one of thee greatest drum sounds ever! Pure tone real drum sounds, balanced self mixing, and swinging swagtastic! The man pulled TONE! what's not to like??
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Post by svart on Mar 3, 2014 18:27:02 GMT -6
drumrec, dude that sounds great. So much better than the sound Bonham had IMHO. I never really was a fan of those drum sounds that everybody seemed to drool over. Lol you shouldn't say that out loud bro, Its probably the perfect thing to say in order to eliminate your studio from the competition if bands are looking for great drum sounds. 90% of musicians out there would agree, Bonzo had one of thee greatest drum sounds ever! Pure tone real drum sounds, balanced self mixing, and swinging swagtastic! The man pulled TONE! what's not to like?? They were always dark, boing-y, and the strange and confusing reverb was like fast slapback but long tail. I like bright and modern sounding drums more than anything, but drumrec got some big drum tones. I still think that the bonham sound was not nearly as big as people seem to have made it out to be.
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Post by drumrec on Mar 3, 2014 18:28:37 GMT -6
Very nice Haken! Through my earbuds, the sound/tonality of your kit seems close to JHB's live sound. This is a good thing, IMHO. I have heard many Zeppelin boots, and the most lamentable aspect of them is always the fidelity of the recording. But the brilliance of JHB's talent always punches through, no matter how poor the quality of the tape. And the sound the band always seemed to reach for was "raw" and in-your-face dry. Maybe not truly dry, but that is how the drums sounded to me, out in the audience. And the drum mix was loud, very loud. I am struggling to describe JHB's sound without resorting to cliches. I suppose in the end it came down to the man and his talent. But he had a sound - one that can be replicated to a certain degree, and I think you have accomplished it. When I saw them live in '77, the thing that blew me away the most was the drum sound coming through the PA, and of course the drumming. Perhaps some of the enduring reverence for JHB comes from how people lucky enough to see Zep live remember the experience: for me, for the first 15 minutes of the show, I heard nothing but the radical style and brutal finesse of JHB as he flawlessly executed LZ's material with a controlled fury that no one has been able to match, ever. His fills were crazy over-the-top complex, yet his timing was perfect. I could not hear Plant's vocal, and I could barely pick out Page's guitar. The mix was actually pretty unbalanced and "bad". But I didn't mind one bit. Thanks matt Wow, you saw them live, then you know what you're talking about, awesome! Year '77 then I was only 9 years old and remember that I had saved up for my first snare drum, by selling the morning newspapers. As I had those first 5 years before I had saved up to a full drum kit. 1977 'is a good year for me maybe I'll write a song about it What appeals me from that time is that it was not so much weirdness of the music. It was up to the musician to deliver from start to finish. Today, it is more unusual for bands go into the studio and record the song from beginning to end, unfortunately! JHB is the man, period! /H
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Post by drumrec on Mar 3, 2014 18:34:41 GMT -6
tonycamphd svart One might think differently and so it should be no right or wrong. That is why there is so much color in the palette so everyone has some color that you like, same with music peace
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 3, 2014 18:38:05 GMT -6
JHB is the man, period! /H Couldn't agree more, the pure magic I feel from that playing and sound, is the reason I started playing drums and creating music! So I guess JHB's to blame! lol
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 3, 2014 18:50:07 GMT -6
tonycamphd svart One might think differently and so it should be no right or wrong. That is why there is so much color in the palette so everyone has some color that you like, same with music peace I agree 100%, I also totally dig Billy Cobham to Mick Fleetwood, and everything in between. I like Chris(svart) and think he makes nice recordings, I'm just revealing that it may not be the best idea to disparage publicly one of the most revered drummers in history if he wants clients?? Of course this is me offering advise based on JMO
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Post by henge on Mar 3, 2014 20:17:07 GMT -6
I posted this somewhere before, here is my home made drum set, I built the shells, machined the lugs, made the stands. the recording is in an untreated room, one take on everything, one rode k2 mic out front of kit 5', about 3' off the carpeted floor, used a bomb factory 1176 plug all buttons. This was a one man dick around jam, slightly embarrassing cause it sucks, but I posted the snippet to show how the tuning on the drums and delivery far outweigh any gear when it comes to a JB sound IMO https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/small-room-1-k2-mic-w-acousticTony, that is a wicked groove you've got there! Kicks the one real hard. Love it!
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Post by svart on Mar 4, 2014 11:52:20 GMT -6
tonycamphd svart One might think differently and so it should be no right or wrong. That is why there is so much color in the palette so everyone has some color that you like, same with music peace I agree 100%, I also totally dig Billy Cobham to Mick Fleetwood, and everything in between. I like Chris(svart) and think he makes nice recordings, I'm just revealing that it may not be the best idea to disparage publicly one of the most revered drummers in history if he wants clients?? Of course this is me offering advise based on JMO Well, I never said he wasn't an great player or that his ability was sub-par, I just think the recordings themselves are somewhat dated sounding and rather.. uh.. dull. I think with more modern sounds, Bonham's drums would have sounded 10x better. If they had the sounds that drumrec got, it would have been huge.
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Post by gouge on Mar 5, 2014 0:55:53 GMT -6
on a lighter note I was looking up some stuff on a cm700 mic I've got today and on the crown website came across mention of fixing a boundry mic to the drummers chest.
that made me laugh. so who's tried it? anyone want to try it?
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Post by matt on Mar 5, 2014 7:41:59 GMT -6
on a lighter note I was looking up some stuff on a cm700 mic I've got today and on the crown website came across mention of fixing a boundry mic to the drummers chest. that made me laugh. so who's tried it? anyone want to try it? I vaguely remember seeing a picture of a top-shelf band in the studio sometime during the '70s, and the drummer was wearing something similar. I want to say Keith Moon/The Who. Searching the Googleplex now . . .
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Post by drumrec on Mar 5, 2014 9:00:11 GMT -6
on a lighter note I was looking up some stuff on a cm700 mic I've got today and on the crown website came across mention of fixing a boundry mic to the drummers chest. that made me laugh. so who's tried it? anyone want to try it? Cool ... but it would never work for me! I have an ability to involuntarily humming when I'm sitting and playing drums. Heard it in a recording for almost 15 years ago that there was something strange humming with the recording. We took the channel to channel until it was just overhead mics left and I was the guilty one. Has become a little better over the years to control this humming when recording! So a microphone on my chest would be devastating when recording, haha
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Post by henge on Mar 5, 2014 9:09:05 GMT -6
on a lighter note I was looking up some stuff on a cm700 mic I've got today and on the crown website came across mention of fixing a boundry mic to the drummers chest. that made me laugh. so who's tried it? anyone want to try it? Cool ... but it would never work for me! I have an ability to involuntarily humming when I'm sitting and playing drums. Heard it in a recording for almost 15 years ago that there was something strange humming with the recording. We took the channel to channel until it was just overhead mics left and I was the guilty one. Has become a little better over the years to control this humming when recording! So a microphone on my chest would be devastating when recording, haha That is so weird! I knew a drummer that hummed and grunted his way through each tune. Wicked groove and metronomic time but I had to get him to consciously shut up while playing!!LOL As far as the mic on the chest, what about the sound of heart beats?
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Post by svart on Mar 5, 2014 9:38:23 GMT -6
I think the chest mic is the same as some people using over-the-shoulder mics on some drummers. I've even seen folks use shotgun mics over the shoulders of drummers, and those sounded remarkably good.
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Post by matt on Mar 5, 2014 9:40:38 GMT -6
on a lighter note I was looking up some stuff on a cm700 mic I've got today and on the crown website came across mention of fixing a boundry mic to the drummers chest. that made me laugh. so who's tried it? anyone want to try it? Cool ... but it would never work for me! I have an ability to involuntarily humming Haken, you are not alone. In the YT audio track below, JHB makes (sometimes) lots of noise while tracking. The first time I hear him is at around 2:42 during a take of Carouselambra, and then all over an Ozone Baby take starting at 5:52. So you're in good company. I say, "Express Yourself" and rock on!
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Post by drumrec on Mar 18, 2014 19:24:00 GMT -6
Tjabadabdoo! Now I'm back and terrorize you with the drums again Small changes can make big changes. I got John's song the day after I had recorded to a client which wanted J.Bonham drum sound, but in 2014 (which I posted earlier in this thread). So I kept the same drum set up and mics. I stuffed some rags in the bass drum and little moongel on toms and snare. I liked Johns programmed drums, especially the typical 80th century gate snare reverb. So I had two different reverb on the snare. A smaller room reverb UAD EMT 250 and a longer reverb UAD Lexicon 224 that I put the gate on a little subtle so it will not be to obvious. Had a third microphone to snare shell as svart recommended earlier, which I then ran through 1176 with all buttons mode and very low in the mix. Just as it brought something dirty in the mix. This version is a little more compressors (I have a penchant for good compressors and like to use them, for better or worse). But you have John's own master of the song under the title "What Are You Working On" and "Tupelo July 99". Absolutely wonderful song! Cheers brothers https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/tupelo-july-99-john-kennedyhttps%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/tupelo-july-99-drums-perc
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2014 20:05:31 GMT -6
Thanks for doing it, Hakan! It kind of started off as just an acoustic demo and I just kept adding. Your drums really brought it to another level. Great playing! Oh - btw...I put a lot of my tunes on Reverbnation because...well, it was the first one I saw...Well, they have this new thing called "crowd review" - where you pay like $7 and 20 people will review your song...So, I thought wth? Check out the first review www.realgearonline.com/post/19090/thread
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Post by drumrec on Mar 19, 2014 4:51:29 GMT -6
Thanks @johnkenn!
A rather important subject that should get its own thread. Constructive criticism and critical thinking are the best I know, and that makes us sharpen our performance for the better, period!
BUT!!!, just as important if not more important is to trust their own instincts and gut feeling. Every person is unique in their own way with desires, whims and fancies. For one thing is certain, we can not make everyone happy. Would it be the case you would have to turn inside out on itself and lose completely your own Identity.
For those people who stand out from all others is they who have believed in their cause. Right or wrong, only you can decide in the end. I think if you're having fun on the road and you have a good gut feeling and like what u here, you are home!
Can only say that the guy who wrote that review is complete asshole, nothing constructive criticism whatsoever, tragic!
/H
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Post by drumrec on Nov 10, 2014 22:46:26 GMT -6
Back and terrorizing my friends at the RGO with some drums and this time with the funniest purchase in a long time. A real monster of a snare drum 9 inch old brass Camco snare (I know I suffer from collecting snare drums, we all have our weaknesses). It is so heavy that it would serve as the anchor to my boat At first I thought I would have to hit a few sample on one of my thinner brass snare 5 1/2 to blend in with the Camco snare, because it would be too little snare sound and too much tom sound 4 this project. But with a bit of harmonic distortion in the mix so it worked just fine anyway! Wonderful to play on and I took the opportunity to have it on my latest job. I can send a pre mix on the drums that I made (it is still in the demo stage). U can almost treat Camco Snare as a tom with his 9 inches deep in the mix, insane snare drum Top Snare: Shure Beta 56A and 57--> API 3124 Under Snare: Audix D1--> API 3124 Squeeze Mic: --> API 3124 Big hug from Sweden https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/camco-snare-9-snare
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Post by wiz on Nov 10, 2014 23:16:52 GMT -6
Great sounding snare ....
sounds like aerosmith
cheers
Wiz
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Post by drumrec on Nov 11, 2014 0:52:14 GMT -6
Great sounding snare .... sounds like aerosmith cheers Wiz Thanks wiz Maybe it does! I know it's hard mixed drums and that might not fall into the taste of most people here on the RGO. As much fun as it is to mic up well tunned drum kit with just 2 Coles mic and have them completely clean in the mix. So it's just as fun to spank the drums in the mix, especially when you have got one of the deepest brass snare during my 40 years behind the drums, ha ha...crazy
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Post by wiz on Nov 11, 2014 1:25:57 GMT -6
Great sounding snare .... sounds like aerosmith cheers Wiz Thanks wiz Maybe it does! I know it's hard mixed drums and that might not fall into the taste of most people here on the RGO. As much fun as it is to mic up well tunned drum kit with just 2 Coles mic and have them completely clean in the mix. So it's just as fun to spank the drums in the mix, especially when you have got one of the deepest brass snare during my 40 years behind the drums, ha ha...crazy I didn't mean it an anyway a negative comment.. loved the drums, thought the song had an aerosmith vibe... its mainly the vocals... cheers Wiz
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Post by drumrec on Nov 11, 2014 1:44:30 GMT -6
No, I did not catch your post as negative brother. Maybe I worded my response so and it was not at all my meaning wiz Me and my bad English, sorry
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