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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 17:08:47 GMT -6
Nope, now it's time to have a drum nerd thread! You may correct me if I have put the thread wrong, JK. Thought first post in the thread entitled "Songwriting" and "What are you working on". But is more like Guitar / Bass / Amps thread. So I put it in the "Pro Audio" until further notice, and you'll move the thread if I'm way off As some of you already know, I have a great passion for drums and drum recording. That's my job. It is not a single day without I think of how grateful and blessed to be working with something that I just love so much. So it would be fun to have a thread where we can be real nerds in drum recording. Uploading pictures on mic'ed up drum kits in the studio, at home, basement , attic, drum samples, tips and trix etc. The fun part about drum recording is that there are no rules that are right or wrong. Often you can come up with something good initially was an error with having laid the snare channel on tom channel and got an amazingly good sound of the snare or you have done something completely unconventional and it has been top notch ! So I can kick off the thread with little pics and sample from two completely different session in music style but at the same time very similar in recording set up . First song is a well-known gentleman here on the forum and his song "coat of pain" that I jammed a bit on. In this recording session, I had an old Ludwig kit . But it ended up that I switched out the bass drum against a DW 22x16 to get a bit more pressure in the bass drum in the chorus. Have been careful in the mix with compressors and have allowed ambience mics be they dominant in the mix. Session set up: BD - Beta 52 - API 3124 BD Outside - Soundelux U195 - Classic API VP26 OH Back - Coles 4038 - Classic API VP26 OH - AKG C 451 - Neve 33115 pre & Eq Snare 1 - Shure Beta 56 - API 3124 Snare 2 - Shure 57 - Classic API VP26 During snare - Audix i5 - Classic API VP26 Tom 1 - Sennheiser MD 421 (old gray one) - API3124 Tom 2 - Sennheiser MD 421 (old gray one) - API3124 Stereo Room - Ribbon - Classic API VP26 ( not used ) Room Back - Korby KAT U67 - Vintage Design CA81 Then mixing in with some outgear compressor and ITB I usually use UAD and SSL plugs. I hope that the thread will get life with many wonderful photos and great tips and trix. I will share with you what little I know about drums and drum recording if there can be any useful information. Cheers Håkan Hansson https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/drums-1https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/tutti-1
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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 17:10:58 GMT -6
The second recording session which is quite different in musical style but identical in mic up set with position, mic, pre, comp. (except Audix on toms ) . Sitting in the moment and mix the drums to an artist named " Nomy " I have played and recorded the drums and still in the demo stage and try little different drum mixes. But it 's funny how exact same mic set up, but totally different drums and a harder mix can do. Before anyone asks, no samples, pure organic drums! A tip: Now, perhaps there are many who have tried it already and I just sound like an old parrot. Usually, you probably by pure routine lowcut under snare mic just to get the sound of snare string. But try to do the other way around and boost instead at 100-240Hz with a fairly narrow Q value instead. So, you will get a pretty fat and lovely snare sound without a lot of cymbal leakage. It's very rewarding with a song like this, when you hit the cymbals pretty hard and get much cymbals leak into the snare mic. A tip for those who have not tried it yet. Cheers Håkan Hansson https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/drumshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/tutti
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Post by Guitar on Jan 30, 2014 18:32:57 GMT -6
sounds good! thanks for sharing
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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 19:04:10 GMT -6
sounds good! thanks for sharing Thanks brother. It's a really good forum with nice vibe here at Real Gear Online. So it'll be fun to share some of what you're working on. Now I Keeps frequently looking in soundcload how to embed mp3 files in its message so you can smoothly listen to what you've uploaded. But without success so far. A bit tricky if you have to download mp3 file from dropbox to listen. Would be easier if you could just click on the forum .... will check on!
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Post by svart on Jan 30, 2014 19:11:13 GMT -6
Can't wait to read this in depth later. It should probably be put in the mixing tips section of the forum rather than the gear centric part of the forum.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 30, 2014 19:15:43 GMT -6
I'd be really curious what you are doing with EQ, compression, and your processing in general, if you don't mind sharing. I find that a lot of drum sound really lies in the way they are mixed..
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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 19:21:23 GMT -6
Can't wait to read this in depth later. It should probably be put in the mixing tips section of the forum rather than the gear centric part of the forum. Ahhhh ... you are so right svart! Damn, how did I miss the headline. So it is when you have too many things in the air .... but we drummers should have a better multitasking, NOOOOOT, haha! JK Heeeeeelp
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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 19:28:34 GMT -6
I'd be really curious what you are doing with EQ, compression, and your processing in general, if you don't mind sharing. I find that a lot of drum sound really lies in the way they are mixed.. I certainly do brother. But now it's late here in Stockholm 02:30. So I have to take the bed now. But I will return rested and will be happy to respond to your thoughts about recording or whatever. Hope more put up some clips and pictures See Ya
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 30, 2014 19:33:01 GMT -6
Hey, I recognize that song.
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Post by svart on Jan 30, 2014 20:00:33 GMT -6
Yeah sounds good. That kick on the second song sounds totally replaced though..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 20:07:54 GMT -6
Sounds really good man, I feel maybe there should be some more overhead though on the rock track.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 20:21:03 GMT -6
Hey drumrecIn the Nomy track, it opens with a big roll and I can tell you're a good hitter but is that a bottom snare mic you're pulling up for the roll on that track? Reason I ask is that in those situations the snare for me loses a lot of the personality I want it to have that I'm hearing on your track.
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 8:20:59 GMT -6
Yeah sounds good. That kick on the second song sounds totally replaced though.. Hi Svart! Nope, there is not any replacement here and I go happily through how I did it. Now I'm not the guy who is totally opposed to replacement. I see everything that makes the end result better as more colors in the palette. But recently there has been more or less a rule to throw on the sample in a little heavier music styles, type this with Nomy. So maybe a bit of pride as a drummer and curious as mixers, I want to get to it without samples. I'm not in the studio now and can take up the channels so you can hear and see what I've done (fix it later today). But just as important as the mix then it's probably even more important how you play, and tuned drums. What I do when I play into heavier music is to separate the drums more apart and brought up the cymbals. With it, you have reduced half cymbal leakage in cloes mics. Another good tipps and that can be good for those of you who are producers and have a metal band in the studio. For we all know that it's never fun to sit down with a drum mix where the drummer has hit the cymbals as if it were the last thing he / she does in life. You ask them nicely to hit looser on the cymbals and then says (inclusing myself) "Then I do not get the right feeling." A good idea then is to take a thinner drumsticks in your right hand and a thicker in the left. When I come into play heavier music I run at 7A in the right hand and 5B or 2B in left, voilà…problem solved! What I know before I take up the drum arrangement in the studio is that I had Beta 52 in bd and through API 3124 and a touch of an old vintage Helios compressor before it ended up on the hard drive. Then I double the canal into the mix and divides it into a high and low bd. Then bd ambience mic a little further out than the picture. Had a sweet spot where I liked. But damn it, I have a video clip that I sent to my friends as a Christmas greeting. I sat and recorded on Christmas Eve half Nomys songs and it's just this song that I worked with. So I put it here so you can see how high I have the cymbals and the separation of the drums Will be back with more info when I'm in the studio. Cheers H
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 8:25:42 GMT -6
Hey drumrecIn the Nomy track, it opens with a big roll and I can tell you're a good hitter but is that a bottom snare mic you're pulling up for the roll on that track? Reason I ask is that in those situations the snare for me loses a lot of the personality I want it to have that I'm hearing on your track. Hi Jordan! I can go through what I've done when I come to the studio with the mix. But what I can say now is that it is the snare that I ALWAYS use when I tracking metal / punk. It is a Ludwig hammered bronze snare drum with controlled sound X and pure sound snare wire extra wide, wonderful sound! Will return bro ....
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 8:27:33 GMT -6
Hey, I recognize that song. Absolutely wonderful song cowboycoalminer. Well done maestro
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Post by btreim on Jan 31, 2014 10:13:08 GMT -6
Absolutely beautiful recording. Can you explain a little more on your double OH technique? I assume a lot of the sound up front is coming from there? Nope, now it's time to have a drum nerd thread! You may correct me if I have put the thread wrong, JK. Thought first post in the thread entitled "Songwriting" and "What are you working on". But is more like Guitar / Bass / Amps thread. So I put it in the "Pro Audio" until further notice, and you'll move the thread if I'm way off As some of you already know, I have a great passion for drums and drum recording. That's my job. It is not a single day without I think of how grateful and blessed to be working with something that I just love so much. So it would be fun to have a thread where we can be real nerds in drum recording. Uploading pictures on mic'ed up drum kits in the studio, at home, basement , attic, drum samples, tips and trix etc. The fun part about drum recording is that there are no rules that are right or wrong. Often you can come up with something good initially was an error with having laid the snare channel on tom channel and got an amazingly good sound of the snare or you have done something completely unconventional and it has been top notch ! So I can kick off the thread with little pics and sample from two completely different session in music style but at the same time very similar in recording set up . First song is a well-known gentleman here on the forum and his song "coat of pain" that I jammed a bit on. In this recording session, I had an old Ludwig kit . But it ended up that I switched out the bass drum against a DW 22x16 to get a bit more pressure in the bass drum in the chorus. Have been careful in the mix with compressors and have allowed ambience mics be they dominant in the mix. Session set up: BD - Beta 52 - API 3124 BD Outside - Soundelux U195 - Classic API VP26 OH Back - Coles 4038 - Classic API VP26 OH - AKG C 451 - Neve 33115 pre & Eq Snare 1 - Shure Beta 56 - API 3124 Snare 2 - Shure 57 - Classic API VP26 During snare - Audix i5 - Classic API VP26 Tom 1 - Sennheiser MD 421 (old gray one) - API3124 Tom 2 - Sennheiser MD 421 (old gray one) - API3124 Stereo Room - Ribbon - Classic API VP26 ( not used ) Room Back - Korby KAT U67 - Vintage Design CA81 Then mixing in with some outgear compressor and ITB I usually use UAD and SSL plugs. I hope that the thread will get life with many wonderful photos and great tips and trix. I will share with you what little I know about drums and drum recording if there can be any useful information. Cheers Håkan Hansson https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/drums-1https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/tutti-1
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 31, 2014 11:09:19 GMT -6
Hey man - Both sound great!!
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 21:33:10 GMT -6
Yeah sounds good. That kick on the second song sounds totally replaced though.. Hey svart! Sending off a quick sample and explains cloes BD until I get more time to explain the rest. I skipped it to split bd to two channels. It is perfectly possible to do it without duplicating. Had the hard plastic beater to the bass drum. Have looped a party of bd and after each new loop, it is a new plug added (you see in the picture that I send). This will give you a ide what i did with to the sound of close mic bd mic. Then I put the BD ambience to enlarge bd sound and then you can make the bass drum how powerful and big with room mics and the other ambience mics. But this is only cloes mic so far. Shure Beta 52 - API - Vintage Helios compressor. Since ITB channel as I show here. Have compressor / limiter on the drum bus channel. Hope there was something helpful b.t.w what a beautiful studio you have. Will build a large studio end of the year 80sqm and 4 m in height and then we had planned to have brick in the studio. Saw that you had it in your tracking room, nice https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/nomy-bd
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Post by svart on Jan 31, 2014 21:47:56 GMT -6
Ok, I hear it now. It sounded a bit more even in the mix and it has that kind of *poof* sound to it that you get when you put multiple samples together. Interesting. It had me fooled!
And thanks for the studio compliment. I wish I had more space for the tracking room. I would have loved high ceilings and all that but I've tuned it pretty well, I think, and I don't have any problems getting a good clean sound out of it. I like the block wall, it's an interesting texture and it's not bad for audio at all.
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 22:59:08 GMT -6
Ok, I hear it now. It sounded a bit more even in the mix and it has that kind of *poof* sound to it that you get when you put multiple samples together. Interesting. It had me fooled! And thanks for the studio compliment. I wish I had more space for the tracking room. I would have loved high ceilings and all that but I've tuned it pretty well, I think, and I don't have any problems getting a good clean sound out of it. I like the block wall, it's an interesting texture and it's not bad for audio at all. Exactly, this is just cloes mic in bd. Then when you begin adding Soundelux (Bd ambience) mike and the rest of the room mics and mangles them into the drum bus, then the party starts! Yes, I think it is brilliant to have the stone in the drum room. It will be so fun to build the studio end of the year. I thought your recording room looked pretty big. At the same time, it works with most recording room. You may use the room's strengths and have some crazy imagination so you will always find its sweet spot Cheers / H
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 23:12:55 GMT -6
Absolutely beautiful recording. Can you explain a little more on your double OH technique? I assume a lot of the sound up front is coming from there? Thanks btreim Yes, it all started as a coincidence (like most things). I have my coles standing behind the drums just for to be able to switch quickly overhead, depending on what I'm recording. But one recording session was both overhead pairs connected. Then I listened, it sounded awesome. Since then, I always have my Coles as two elephant ears behind the drums. You get so much body of the drums in Coles mics. So you could say short that akg overhead mics is the sky and the air and coles mics are rock & ground, I recommend trying it! Cheers /H
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Post by Guitar on Jan 31, 2014 23:21:47 GMT -6
wow, that's crazy! I've never thought about using that many plugins on one drum mic
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 23:37:37 GMT -6
wow, that's crazy! I've never thought about using that many plugins on one drum mic Ha ha....Sorry!
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Post by Guitar on Feb 1, 2014 0:05:21 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I like the results. Usually when I have that many plugins I have something wrong, but you're doing something right.
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Post by drumrec on Feb 1, 2014 0:41:16 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I like the results. Usually when I have that many plugins I have something wrong, but you're doing something right. Of course not monkeyxx, I laugh myself to the long channel loaf with plugs, insane This is not regular basis, it becomes like this. But it requires little processing on the bass drum should come through the wall of guitars in heavier music. I had decided to get to it without samples. Since I like to crafting sound a bit here and there. As in this case, I have the gate in several steps to make it nicely in the end. Some drum mixes, it's just a couple of mics and a little eq and a komressor which makes the overall sound. In this clip, it is almost straight opposite of channel loaf with plugs! Cheers brother https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/old-ludwig-kit-tracking
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