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Post by chessparov on Oct 11, 2018 12:21:21 GMT -6
Vintage (Pre-1970) METAL zip ties sound far superior though, compared to the later plastic ones! Chris
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 11, 2018 12:34:27 GMT -6
Unless they contact an exposed trace, then all bets are off !
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 12:46:51 GMT -6
A for it's over all sound on its own. C works great in the busier mix. B sounds a little choked in comparison. A change of tube in either or all mics would radically change things. So... the results were A Vintage (my favorite) B Stam (the one I thought sounded choked) C Reissue (which I have and have confirmed sounds GREAT in a busier mix!) Kind of glad my ears and taste haven't changed that much over time Funny We did a vote an 74% thought B was the vintage 67 and best sounding Tastes for everybody C is clearly different sounding than A and B, regardless of taste, we have all the graphs and measurements.
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 12:50:27 GMT -6
I don't really see the issue, as the zip ties work just fine, require no metal work, have no grounding issues and are very durable. But to call the use of zip ties inside mic bodies the "industry standard" doesn't seem to be truthful. But my mind on that can be changed if someone would provide a list of major manufacturers who use them on a regular basis. sighs Then it's not, we are the sole company using this method and we will attempt to get a patent on it. How creative of us!
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Post by stormymondays on Oct 11, 2018 14:11:23 GMT -6
Here's hoping my emails will get answered and a SA67 and SA2A will be coming my way before I lose faith...
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 11, 2018 14:26:28 GMT -6
But to call the use of zip ties inside mic bodies the "industry standard" doesn't seem to be truthful. But my mind on that can be changed if someone would provide a list of major manufacturers who use them on a regular basis. sighs Then it's not, we are the sole company using this method and we will attempt to get a patent on it. How creative of us! So much for your self-imposed exile from forums. But to your point, no one said yours is the "sole company using this method." What some of us are questioning is your assertion that it's an "industry standard." That doesn't mean that it's never been done; that just means that it's not the standard practice. In other words, it's much more common to NOT find a zip tie inside a microphone, which means the "industry standard" is not to use a zip tie. A more accurate/truthful statement from you would have been something along this line... While it's not the most common practice to use a zip tie, it is an acceptable practice in some circumstances and does not affect the tonal properties of the microphone.
Had you said something like that, the issue would have gone away. Had you remained silent, the issue would likely have disappeared just as quickly. But you chose to lay claim to this being an "industry standard" and that bit of hyperbole is why the issue didn't die as quickly as you would have liked.
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 14:55:54 GMT -6
It is common practice, very common
I don't want the issue to die.
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 11, 2018 14:59:15 GMT -6
It is common practice, very common I don't want the issue to die. By what companies?
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Post by Guitar on Oct 11, 2018 15:02:31 GMT -6
It's a DIY thing, as has already been said. I have never in all my years bought a manufactured microphone with a zip tie in it.
I used a zip tie in my MXL R40 when I put in the Edcor transformers.
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 15:08:06 GMT -6
It is common practice, very common I don't want the issue to die. By what companies? By Stam Audio. Move on, more important things in life buddy
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 11, 2018 15:12:44 GMT -6
By Stam Audio. Move on, more important things in life buddy So it's a "common practice, very common" but you can't name any manufacturers other than yourself that use zip ties inside their microphones as standard practice. In your previous post you said, "I don't want the issue to die," and now you're saying "Move on..."
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 15:22:00 GMT -6
Sure.
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 15:25:54 GMT -6
By Stam Audio. Move on, more important things in life buddy So it's a "common practice, very common" but you can't name any manufacturers other than yourself that use zip ties inside their microphones as standard practice. In your previous post you said, "I don't want the issue to die," and now you're saying "Move on..." I'm afraid my time is up Back to putting zip ties on some lovely 400 dollar american made AMI BV12 transformers to make some folks happy Have a great weekend!
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Post by mikec on Oct 11, 2018 15:27:07 GMT -6
Wow, I came to this post hoping to read about the the SA-67 and have been biting my tongue for two pages of posts about zip ties. Zip ties or something similar are used in all kinds of manufacturing and assembly so who cares as long as it holds together and sounds great. I'm even putting a smiley face so nobody gets offending by me putting my support behind zip ties.
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 15:34:28 GMT -6
Wow, I came to this post hoping to read about the the SA-67 and have been biting my tongue for two pages of posts about zip ties. Zip ties or something similar are used in all kinds of manufacturing and assembly so who cares as long as it holds together and sounds great. I'm even putting a smiley face so nobody gets offending by me putting my support behind zip ties. Thanks buddy Yes, sometimes things can get quite ridiculous. I chose the safest way to stabilize and mount a transformer for long distance travel. Zip Ties is the best way for me but I use screws on the 47, so both ways it works.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 11, 2018 16:15:48 GMT -6
I guess y’all forgot to request hot glue instead, which is definitely an industry standard.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 11, 2018 16:21:23 GMT -6
I guess y’all forgot to request hot glue instead, which is definitely an industry standard. Bubble gum is also OK as well as office tape or blue tacky stuff. Also industry standard.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 11, 2018 16:43:26 GMT -6
It seems people have expressed their opinions , can we please move on?
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 17:17:08 GMT -6
I guess y’all forgot to request hot glue instead, which is definitely an industry standard. I have used dry expoy glue on transformers as well successfully in the past, it makes it extremely hard to remove them if they fail though!
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 11, 2018 17:19:41 GMT -6
I was hoping for modeling clay, but I would've accepted silly putty, too.
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 17:23:21 GMT -6
I wonder what Dany Bouchard (probably the most knowledgeable and meticulous microphone guru) is using here on his C12 to hold the Cinemag transformer www.vintagemicrophonepcbkit.com/D-12.htmlWe use his designs by the way, something most here know. No patent for us on holding transformers. Industry standard xD
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Post by Guitar on Oct 11, 2018 17:31:52 GMT -6
this is getting ridiculous
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 11, 2018 17:34:22 GMT -6
I feel like it's pretty tame so far. Let's keep pushing.
"The Edge...There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 17:35:58 GMT -6
By the way
New prices on the 67 from today
PRE-ORDER PRICE:
$1390.00 (TUNG-SOL EF-806-S) - The best sounding currently made EF86 tube $1590.00 (NOS PHILIPS EF-86) - This is the best sounding NOS tube without breaking the bank $1790.00 (NOS TELEFUNKEN EF-806 TUBE, original U67 tube) - This is the original tube used by Neumann, we only have 50 pieces of them
STOCK PRICE: $1590.00 (TUNG-SOL EF-806-S) $1790.00 (NOS PHILIPS EF-86) $1990.00 (NOS TELEFUNKEN EF-806 TUBE, original U67 tube)
All units come with the AMI BV12 output transformer (with a zip tie!)
Each mic with NOS tubes is burned for 72 hours to ensure proper functionality.
We offer a 1 year warranty on the tube as well
Josh
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Post by Guitar on Oct 11, 2018 17:41:09 GMT -6
By the way New prices on the 67 from today PRE-ORDER PRICE: $1390.00 (TUNG-SOL EF-806-S) - The best sounding currently made EF86 tube $1590.00 (NOS PHILIPS EF-86) - This is the best sounding NOS tube without breaking the bank $1790.00 (NOS TELEFUNKEN EF-806 TUBE, original U67 tube) - This is the original tube used by Neumann, we only have 50 pieces of them STOCK PRICE: $1590.00 (TUNG-SOL EF-806-S) $1790.00 (NOS PHILIPS EF-86) $1990.00 (NOS TELEFUNKEN EF-806 TUBE, original U67 tube) All units come with the AMI BV12 output transformer (with a zip tie!) Each mic with NOS tubes is burned for 72 hours to ensure proper functionality. We offer a 1 year warranty on the tube as well Josh Hey Josh I know you're having a hard time, I can sell you some zip ties for $12 each. They are not the same size and color. But I think in these times you will find that I have the best deal in zip ties going.
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