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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 10, 2018 11:05:02 GMT -6
Kinda disturbed by the zip tie holding the transformer in place and then the missing screws...
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Post by mikec on Oct 10, 2018 14:04:52 GMT -6
I think these things happen no matter who you buy from. I purchased a Metric Halo ULN 8 direct from Metric Halo several years back and it arrived with not single standoff on any of the connections on the unit. It was also missing the plastic nuts on the quarter inch inputs. I called them thinking they would send them to me but instead they offered to sell them to me. Luckily I found them cheaper at a local electronics store. It was a good interface overall but mine must have been assembled late on a Friday afternoon.
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Post by winetree on Oct 10, 2018 17:28:22 GMT -6
I've built many of all the tube mic clones. Zip ties are used to hold in the transformers. Missing screws, the hardware store, just be glad that it FINALLY arrived. I'm still waiting for other pre-orders. Are you happy with the sound?
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Post by stam on Oct 10, 2018 18:37:02 GMT -6
Okay just powered it up and after having a heart attack cause it was not working then realising the headphone socket was not plugged in all the way, it took only milliseconds to realise that this indeed was worth the wait. It has a big proximity effect if up close, the filter works marvelously, THe polar patterns are nice. Omni has a good spread, switch it to Cardioid and it all closes in very nice and upfront with that beautiful Proximity Effect and the fig 8 sounds like mini versions of the Cardioid back n front. The front and back capsules sound practically identical which really bugs me when they dont sound similar. It is very warm, has low end for days, it is not sibilant but still clear on the top. The mic is not super quiet like some others but there is nothing out of place with the noise floor. Sounds like a tube mic with a small hint of bloom. Definelty a keeper. Now I need to go find some screws for some reason the head basket holding the capsule is only held together by 1 x screw the rest are missing. Hope you guys get your mics soon. Cheers I will glady ship you some screws, I am not sure why there are 2 missing Please be very careful when opening or manipulating this mic, if you touch the PCB without gloves and there is contamination then it will become very noisy The 67 is the biggest pain of all mics to build, sincerely a pain but sounds wonderfull Thanks
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Post by stam on Oct 10, 2018 18:38:12 GMT -6
Kinda disturbed by the zip tie holding the transformer in place and then the missing screws... Really? Industry standard. Screws no idea what happened, maybe customs inspections or maybe I forgot The wonders of stress Being "disturbed" about it sounds a bit exaggerated.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 10, 2018 19:21:55 GMT -6
The good diy mike kits I built secured the transformer the same way.
Stam can either send you the screws or tell you their specific characteristics so you can get some here ?
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 10, 2018 19:23:51 GMT -6
Kinda disturbed by the zip tie holding the transformer in place and then the missing screws... Really? Industry standard. Screws no idea what happened, maybe customs inspections or maybe I forgot The wonders of stress Being "disturbed" about it sounds a bit exaggerated. I've openly admitted numerous times on this site that I am not a DIYer or a tech, but I have owned a lot of different microphones made by a lot of different companies and never come across a zip tie in a final design. A prototype, yes. A repair, yes. A DIY mic, sure. So it took me by surprise.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 10, 2018 19:25:36 GMT -6
The good diy mike kits I built secured the transformer the same way. Stam can either send you the screws or tell you their specific characteristics so you can get some here ? Interesting. I did not know that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 10, 2018 19:37:25 GMT -6
Unless somebody is using their microphone like a football,, zip ties work great,you get a very secure compression fit and the plastic of the tie is very strong, so they definitely work and the transformer is held in place.
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Post by hadaja on Oct 10, 2018 19:38:34 GMT -6
I actually have no problems with zip ties. They have been used for yewrs for tricky things like transformers. They work well. Yes i knew the 67 was going to be tricky as the f86 tube in good order are hard to get. You have done well Stam. In regards to the screws i am fine to source them. And yes a quick reveals everyhting is working as it should. Thanks
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 10, 2018 19:44:48 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, are there other consumer brands that use zip ties in their microphones? I haven't opened up very many.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 10, 2018 20:04:45 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, are there other consumer brands that use zip ties in their microphones? I haven't opened up very many. I’ve not seen that in any Neumann I’ve opened.
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 10, 2018 20:10:18 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, are there other consumer brands that use zip ties in their microphones? I haven't opened up very many. I’ve not seen that in any Neumann I’ve opened. Maybe subspace can open up his free TLM102 when it arrives and let us know if there's a zip tie inside.
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Post by m03 on Oct 10, 2018 20:34:34 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, are there other consumer brands that use zip ties in their microphones? I haven't opened up very many. I’ve not seen that in any Neumann I’ve opened. It might be better to compare it with similar price-range options. Looking at things like the Peluso P-67, RMS Audioworks RMS269, Advanced Adio CM67, and 3U GZ-67 Tube, and I don't see zip ties holding the transformers, but there are a lot of other brands that I couldn't find internal pics of (Mojave, etc).
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 10, 2018 21:45:49 GMT -6
I’ve not seen that in any Neumann I’ve opened. It might be better to compare it with similar price-range options. Looking at things like the Peluso P-67, RMS Audioworks RMS269, Advanced Adio CM67, and 3U GZ-67 Tube, and I don't see zip ties holding the transformers, but there are a lot of other brands that I couldn't find internal pics of (Mojave, etc). I’ve owned mics by Peluso, RMS, Advanced Audio, the MK67 kit by I/O Audio, Neumann, FleA, BLUE, Shure, Audio Technica... no zip ties.
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Post by hadaja on Oct 10, 2018 22:17:50 GMT -6
Dont get hung up about zip ties. Its Dany's pcb he uses zip ties. I paid just as much money to Dany and got zip tie on my trannie on my mic. Futhermore happy to receive any PM's to discuss zip ties or better still, this specific mic.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 10, 2018 22:59:03 GMT -6
Yeah, I’m letting go. What’s really important is the Sonics anyway. From what I’ve heard so far this mic sounds better than a lot of the other 67 mics I’ve heard out there. hadaja, did you get the standard or the NOS version? I’m looking forward to hearing more of your impressions as you use it, and as always I would love to hear clips or recordings you are willing to share. Have fun making music with your new toy.
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Post by stam on Oct 11, 2018 4:08:01 GMT -6
I would worry more about brands using 25 dollar Chinese capsules and transformers while charging you thousands of dollars for it rather than a zip tie which is, again, industry standard.
I can mount it with screws as well, it does not make a difference.
Thank you for the compliments on the 67. I am very happy with it as well
J
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 11, 2018 6:08:13 GMT -6
It sounds like the sa-67 has really great sonic qualities: good work !
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 11, 2018 9:15:28 GMT -6
I wouldn't touch the circuit board either, with that kind of soldering work,
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Post by drbill on Oct 11, 2018 10:07:17 GMT -6
Never had zip ties in any of my Neumann's or Gefell's. Maybe they are not industry standard?
Maybe it's a DIY thing?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 11, 2018 10:45:05 GMT -6
I don't really see the issue, as the zip ties work just fine, require no metal work, have no grounding issues and are very durable.
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Post by Ward on Oct 11, 2018 11:05:38 GMT -6
A for it's over all sound on its own. C works great in the busier mix. B sounds a little choked in comparison. A change of tube in either or all mics would radically change things. So... the results were A Vintage (my favorite) B Stam (the one I thought sounded choked) C Reissue (which I have and have confirmed sounds GREAT in a busier mix!) Kind of glad my ears and taste haven't changed that much over time
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 11, 2018 11:17:06 GMT -6
I don't really see the issue, as the zip ties work just fine, require no metal work, have no grounding issues and are very durable. But to call the use of zip ties inside mic bodies the "industry standard" doesn't seem to be truthful. But my mind on that can be changed if someone would provide a list of major manufacturers who use them on a regular basis.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 11, 2018 11:32:38 GMT -6
Don't want to argue:just think it really doesn't matter in terms of the transformer being held securely in place.
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