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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2018 16:36:30 GMT -6
They sound fantastic. I tried to take another picture of all the kits, however it keeps telling me the file is too big. Strange because it’s the same size as the last pic I took? Since installing SD3 on my sound files drive I had to take all my sdx expansions off of it to fit SD3. I need a bigger ssd for my sound drive for my VI’s. Currently researching ssd drives. I need upwards of 2 TB. I need another solution for my VI’s. The SSD’s get very expensive as you get to 2TB and up. I would like to do a comparison between these and the new Bob Rock SDX. I need more SSD space though, so my SDX buying is on hold. Put them on imgur or something and link here.
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 21, 2018 16:49:01 GMT -6
They sound fantastic. I tried to take another picture of all the kits, however it keeps telling me the file is too big. Strange because it’s the same size as the last pic I took? Since installing SD3 on my sound files drive I had to take all my sdx expansions off of it to fit SD3. I need a bigger ssd for my sound drive for my VI’s. Currently researching ssd drives. I need upwards of 2 TB. I need another solution for my VI’s. The SSD’s get very expensive as you get to 2TB and up. I would like to do a comparison between these and the new Bob Rock SDX. I need more SSD space though, so my SDX buying is on hold. So, the Platinum stuff is actual samples or just midi grooves? The Joe Barresi Evil Drums are compatible with Toontracks and works as an SDX Pack with the samples. The Jim Scott and Andy John packs are only compatible with BFD. I was hoping one day Platinum Samples would’ve converted these to SDX to use in SD3, but it doesn’t look like it. If I had more room on my drive I would install it and see if there are grooves, but I cannot remember if grooves come with the kits. I do however recommend the Joe Barresi Evil Drums Pack. They sound really good.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 21, 2018 16:57:29 GMT -6
So, the Platinum stuff is actual samples or just midi grooves? The Joe Barresi Evil Drums are compatible with Toontracks and works as an SDX Pack with the samples. The Jim Scott and Andy John packs are only compatible with BFD. I was hoping one day Platinum Samples would’ve converted these to SDX to use in SD3, but it doesn’t look like it. If I had more room on my drive I would install it and see if there are grooves, but I cannot remember if grooves come with the kits. I do however recommend the Joe Barresi Evil Drums Pack. They sound really good. Oh, I thought Platinum was SD3 compatible.
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 21, 2018 17:01:52 GMT -6
The Joe Barresi Evil Drums are compatible with Toontracks and works as an SDX Pack with the samples. The Jim Scott and Andy John packs are only compatible with BFD. I was hoping one day Platinum Samples would’ve converted these to SDX to use in SD3, but it doesn’t look like it. If I had more room on my drive I would install it and see if there are grooves, but I cannot remember if grooves come with the kits. I do however recommend the Joe Barresi Evil Drums Pack. They sound really good. Oh, I thought Platinum was SD3 compatible. Just the Joe Barresi is compatible with SD3 as far as I know of.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 21, 2018 20:51:01 GMT -6
Oh, I thought Platinum was SD3 compatible. Just the Joe Barresi is compatible with SD3 as far as I know of. Yeah, the Evil Drums Joe Barresi pack is the only one Platinum Samples converted to an SDX. They were hoping the sales would go well enough to port over the other expansion kits, but they didn't get enough sales to justify it. I have the Evil Drums SDX, and it's nice. It's one of the few that was actually tracked to tape. Joe used Neves for the pres, but I can't remember his mics at the moment. The toms are really deep. I was doing a full album a few years back, and other SDX kits were used extensively. When I used one of the Evil Drums kits on one song, it kind of stuck out like a sore thumb b/c it sounded so different from the others. I need to break it back out. It's been a long time since I used it.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 21, 2018 20:55:59 GMT -6
They sound fantastic. I tried to take another picture of all the kits, however it keeps telling me the file is too big. Strange because it’s the same size as the last pic I took? Since installing SD3 on my sound files drive I had to take all my sdx expansions off of it to fit SD3. I need a bigger ssd for my sound drive for my VI’s. Currently researching ssd drives. I need upwards of 2 TB. I need another solution for my VI’s. The SSD’s get very expensive as you get to 2TB and up. I would like to do a comparison between these and the new Bob Rock SDX. I need more SSD space though, so my SDX buying is on hold. I have all my samples on HDDs. Toontrack loads all the samples into RAM, so the only advantage of an SSD is that the kit loads faster. Once it's loaded, it doesn't make any difference. I personally don't mind waiting an extra 45 seconds to load a full kit, or an extra 1.5 seconds to load an individual drum. Using HDDs wherever I can is one way to save a few bucks. There are so many other places to spend.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 21, 2018 23:27:40 GMT -6
Oh, I thought Platinum was SD3 compatible. Just the Joe Barresi is compatible with SD3 as far as I know of. I was asking about midi groove packs, which are SD3 compatible, I just found out.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 28, 2019 16:05:08 GMT -6
Man, I am just diving into learning SD3. Whoa. This is some pretty deep software. Super impressed. I just gotta learn how to program drums well enough so that it doesn't sound like I programmed drums!
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Post by kilroyrock on Mar 4, 2019 10:24:30 GMT -6
they're pretty good at making things not sound too programmed. the biggest thing you can do is when you're doing hi hats, lower the volume every other hit, and it'll make it better. the grooves that come with the packs are great. I just got the pop punk one, because John Feldman's blink 182 drum sound is top notch, and i do a LOT of the post punk stuff.
to help with grooves:
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 4, 2019 13:02:51 GMT -6
How do you go about lowering volume on alternated hi hat hits? In Logic, I can adjust midi easily, but it sure sounds tedious if you have lots of different parts with different loops running, you'd have to adjust all of them one by one.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 4, 2019 13:30:45 GMT -6
they're pretty good at making things not sound too programmed. the biggest thing you can do is when you're doing hi hats, lower the volume every other hit, and it'll make it better. the grooves that come with the packs are great. I just got the pop punk one, because John Feldman's blink 182 drum sound is top notch, and i do a LOT of the post punk stuff. to help with grooves: Thanks! Great info! Couple of things I didn't know there. Martin John Butler I think the answer to your question is in the video.
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Post by kilroyrock on Mar 4, 2019 13:41:58 GMT -6
A lot of times i'll build out the midi in my daw (pro tools) or import the midi from my old program drumsite, which will give me midi files to import to track into pro tools. I drag the midi out of the builder in ED2 and pull it onto a midi track in PT and edit there, where I know and can control the way it hits, plus cut and paste the midi notes into whatever I can. Anything from one of their grooves is straight up realistic for me. I know you can do anything in SD2 that you can do in ED2.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 4, 2019 14:55:03 GMT -6
That's pretty cool, thanks John. I'm still on SD2, but I may go for SD3 soon..
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Post by theshea on Mar 5, 2019 5:37:15 GMT -6
How do you go about lowering volume on alternated hi hat hits? In Logic, I can adjust midi easily, but it sure sounds tedious if you have lots of different parts with different loops running, you'd have to adjust all of them one by one. get yourself some midi pad controller and do it like me: "play" the drums for real. thats how i do it. mostly i play kick+snare in one go. than i play the hihat. i hit 'em rhytmically as i want them. it sounds "realer", is quicker and more fun.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 5, 2019 9:22:48 GMT -6
How do you go about lowering volume on alternated hi hat hits? In Logic, I can adjust midi easily, but it sure sounds tedious if you have lots of different parts with different loops running, you'd have to adjust all of them one by one. get yourself some midi pad controller and do it like me: "play" the drums for real. thats how i do it. mostly i play kick+snare in one go. than i play the hihat. i hit 'em rhytmically as i want them. it sounds "realer", is quicker and more fun. I do this mostly too. Finally got good enough to do it...but I’m not a drummer, so my fill department/ideas are pretty limited. Quantize is my friend. Actually, I really use a hybrid approach. Sometimes I’ll play something and it just doesn’t sound as nuanced as I want - so then I’ll go search.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 5, 2019 9:23:20 GMT -6
Hmm.. that's a thought theshea. I have an M-Audio midi controller with drum pads. Not being a keyboard guy, I never tried setting it up in a way I could play them and create midi. Now you have me wondering if I could in fact do that..
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Post by jtc111 on Mar 5, 2019 10:46:03 GMT -6
I do this mostly too. Finally got good enough to do it...but I’m not a drummer, so my fill department/ideas are pretty limited. Quantize is my friend. Actually, I really use a hybrid approach. Sometimes I’ll play something and it just doesn’t sound as nuanced as I want - so then I’ll go search. I do quite a bit of slicing and dicing with SD. Between auditioning grooves and figuring out which parts of one groove fit with another part of some other groove, it takes quite a few hours to get a track finished. I try to avoid too much repetition of the same groove so while I might keep the choruses consistent, I'll look for something slightly different on the second verse than on the first, and so on. I'm not a drummer either. I have to use reference tracks to remind me where to put fills. Nothing about drums comes to me intuitively. I think mixing it up the way I do gives it a bit more realism ...I hope so anyway.
I used SD for the song below. I think that drum track took me about 4 hours to build, maybe longer. I haven't figured out how to be more efficient. And I still haven't gotten comfortable editing inside the SD window so all the grooves get pulled into Pro Tools and I use multiple tracks to A/B things as I build my composite. It's a good thing I'm not trying to make a living doing this.
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Post by theshea on Mar 5, 2019 12:23:01 GMT -6
get yourself some midi pad controller and do it like me: "play" the drums for real. thats how i do it. mostly i play kick+snare in one go. than i play the hihat. i hit 'em rhytmically as i want them. it sounds "realer", is quicker and more fun. I do this mostly too. Finally got good enough to do it...but I’m not a drummer, so my fill department/ideas are pretty limited. Quantize is my friend. Actually, I really use a hybrid approach. Sometimes I’ll play something and it just doesn’t sound as nuanced as I want - so then I’ll go search. for fills i often rely on logic's drummer ;-) he's got some great fills which i than add into my midi programming. works great.
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Post by mikec on Mar 7, 2019 14:24:49 GMT -6
For those using SD3 in your demos, are you setting SD3 as multiout and mixing the drums in your daw like a real drum kit or are you setting it up as stereo out and using the SD3 mixer to mix your drums to the stereo track in the daw like it is a drum bus.
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Post by ragan on Mar 7, 2019 14:41:27 GMT -6
For those using SD3 in your demos, are you setting SD3 as multiout and mixing the drums in your daw like a real drum kit or are you setting it up as stereo out and using the SD3 mixer to mix your drums to the stereo track in the daw like it is a drum bus. I always split the mics out and mix them like “real” drums.
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Post by matt on Mar 7, 2019 14:55:26 GMT -6
Multi-out here too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2019 15:17:32 GMT -6
I always did before the Bob Rock library but haven’t needed to since I got that.
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Post by mikec on Mar 7, 2019 15:51:23 GMT -6
I always did before the Bob Rock library but haven’t needed to since I got that. Great, I’ve been trying to hold off spending the money for the Bob Rock SDX since I’m saving for a small format console, but may need to bite the bullet.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2019 16:55:20 GMT -6
I know we all have different tastes - but you guys know the stuff I do...It's been fantastic and my go-to for everything.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2019 19:48:09 GMT -6
I know we all have different tastes - but you guys know the stuff I do...It's been fantastic and my go-to for everything. Glad to hear you're still digging that one. I'm going to have to check it out in more detail.
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