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Mar 2, 2017 16:32:31 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 2, 2017 16:32:31 GMT -6
Thinking about jumping on the uad wagon. I'm willing to wait for the next generation dsp accelerators.
My question is have they established an update cycle? When was the current gen released?
Thanks!!!!!!!!
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Mar 2, 2017 18:12:13 GMT -6
Post by mrholmes on Mar 2, 2017 18:12:13 GMT -6
I think UAD is overrated one reason why I stooped buying new plug ins. They spam me like crazy with offers....
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Mar 2, 2017 18:48:20 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 2, 2017 18:48:20 GMT -6
You will probably wait for a while as the blackface with the new gen of converters are a little less than 2 year old. The current design has maxed out the apollo's internal processing capacity, that is why they only have 4 sharc chips max on board apollo.
So, an apollo mkiii wil likely be significantly redesigned to increase internal processing throughput. New dual core sharc chips are available and they are not very much more expensive than the single core currently used, but the redesign has to happen.
People have speculated that the current satellite deal was a way to move out older design satellite,at a lower price and that ua'sl launch of a new satellite is imminent, using the new dual core chips: we'lll see.
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Mar 2, 2017 19:12:10 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2017 19:12:10 GMT -6
I use them every mix...but I think I could live without them.
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Mar 2, 2017 19:18:28 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 2, 2017 19:18:28 GMT -6
Ya a UAD 3 roadmap would really help UAD keep customer ties in and satisfied.. As of now, 80% of the people I know that use UAD are not happy with the cost and lack of info regarding the update cycles. The SF Apollo was revamped around 3 years after its initial release. UAD doing away with mk2 pricing is also BS and has more than a few people frustrated. The sound is phenomenal as far as plugins goes ..
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Mar 2, 2017 19:21:12 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2017 19:21:12 GMT -6
I thought I would use the plugs on the way in, but I never do. I guess it's nice to have that option. I do use the AUX channel for verb though.
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Mar 2, 2017 19:57:37 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 2, 2017 19:57:37 GMT -6
I thought I would use the plugs on the way in, but I never do. I guess it's nice to have that option. I do use the AUX channel for verb though. I never fully understood the use in doing that. You couldn't use a digital limiter, let's say, to help clipping the da since it's already been converted. So printing effects on the way in is just commiting to something you are already going to do to save processing power later in the mix. Or run confidence effects for singers etc. I guess that's cool, a little bit.
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Post by stratboy on Mar 2, 2017 20:30:00 GMT -6
I have two FW Duos. They take a lot of load off my 2013 mini's CPU when I have big mixes. The plugs sound great. I use them all the time. But they are expensive! I buy on sale. UAD has decent sales about twice a year; you just have to be patient.
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Mar 2, 2017 20:31:39 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2017 20:31:39 GMT -6
It can be cool for monitoring. If you don't want to commit to compression but the singer wants it. You want to record dry guitar for reamping etc.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 2, 2017 20:53:34 GMT -6
Ya a UAD 3 roadmap would really help UAD keep customer ties in and satisfied.. As of now, 80% of the people I know that use UAD are not happy with the cost and lack of info regarding the update cycles. The SF Apollo was revamped around 3 years after its initial release. UAD doing away with mk2 pricing is also BS and has more than a few people frustrated. The sound is phenomenal as far as plugins goes .. I see it from a different perspective. I still have enough power on my Quad Card... I use the UAD plugs like some extra outboard. Charging me for mk II was nothing but stupid, pulled me away as a long time customer. Second thing that pulled me away was their last poll . I give them 30 minutes of my working time, and the voucher is limited. NG marketing strategy. The prices for thier plug ins are nothing but crazy... Last thing is. We have great sounding native plug ins... I jet do not see a reason to buy more UAD plug ins.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 2, 2017 20:58:29 GMT -6
If only for the Ocean Way Studios plug-in, having UAD's platform is completely worth it. That thing in small doses does what no other plug can do. I'm impressed with the new API 2500 too. I barely used the EMT-140 these days, but when I want what it does, it's flawless. I've never taken the ATR-102 off my 2 bus since I got it four years ago. Use either Smooth Vocal or 30ips mastering, and you get some wow on your track easily, easy does it though.
The thing is that UAD's plug-in platform is maturing. All of us here bought too many plug-ins along the way, but can recommend say.. five plugs that can't be eat. That alone makes my mixes way better than if I didn't have a UAD plug.
I'm hoping to eventually get hardware as my 2 bus, but with the ATR-102, some of Slate's VBC and UAD's API, I kind of use them for tone too, so it'll be interesting to see how I can integrate plugs and hardware once I get there.
As I plan my eventual system in my head, I still need the Stam SSL and another Warm Audio EQP-1A.
Then I'd see if I still need the API2500 or the Slate Red and Grey anymore. I'd love to try a hardware reverb again too, maybe the Eventide H9?
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Mar 2, 2017 21:03:52 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2017 21:03:52 GMT -6
If only for the Ocean Way Studios plug-in, having UAD's platform is completely worth it. That thing in small doses does what no other plug can do. See: Eventide Tverb
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Mar 2, 2017 21:10:33 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 2, 2017 21:10:33 GMT -6
oooh, uh oh, never looked at their verbs, but if the H9 pedal is any indication, it'll be a good shootout. Thanks John, I'll start snooping around.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:27:05 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 2, 2017 21:27:05 GMT -6
Hmm.. just read some reviews. The thing I like about the Tveb is the ability to move 3 mics around. That's one place UAD's design falls short. You can't easily move the mic around. As for prioritizing, I got got more reverbs already I rarely use, and I'd rather buy a few other things, like the Digital Mosaic 12 string pedal or put that money toward the Stam SSL. Maybe I'll demo it down the road a bit. I'm remixing 12 tracks now, planning to release the tracks as an album, so new gear's on the back burner, new mixes front burner. I will order the Stam soon though.
As for the UAD platform topic, what more can they do? Creating yet another recreation of a classic piece of hardware is getting played out. I wish they'd start innovating again. Why not use all their company talent and know how to create new proprietary things, the way Kush Audio or Fab Filter does.
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Mar 2, 2017 22:07:41 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 2, 2017 22:07:41 GMT -6
Ya a UAD 3 roadmap would really help UAD keep customer ties in and satisfied.. As of now, 80% of the people I know that use UAD are not happy with the cost and lack of info regarding the update cycles. The SF Apollo was revamped around 3 years after its initial release. UAD doing away with mk2 pricing is also BS and has more than a few people frustrated. The sound is phenomenal as far as plugins goes .. I see it from a different perspective. I still have enough power on my Quad Card... I use the UAD plugs like some extra outboard. Charging me for mk II was nothing but stupid, pulled me away as a long time customer. Second thing that pulled me away was their last poll . I give them 30 minutes of my working time, and the voucher is limited. NG marketing strategy. The prices for thier plug ins are nothing but crazy... Last thing is. We have great sounding native plug ins... I jet do not see a reason to buy more UAD plug ins. We agree they are way too much expensive. The whole point of a plugin is to treat it as a plugin not like it's HW and print and freeze things 😂 It's hard for me to recommend UAD at all to anyone because of the entry price to the platform and plugin cost... I got a $50 voucher this month, seems $25 ain't working for UAD. Yes that voucher that expired for the survey is bullshit. I was definitely not happy about that either...
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2017 22:21:38 GMT -6
Problem is, there's not anything else I want...except the Zener, but I'm not paying $299 for it.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 2, 2017 22:54:10 GMT -6
I use UAD plugs every day. Sure - I've made the mistake of buying a few that I never use anymore, but the same goes for lots of different purchases.
The fact that I can mix large sessions on my Mac mini and have no problems because half the plugs Im using are on the shark card makes me happy.
I was also glad to get away from waves...
I just finished up some mixes with my home rig and I can honestly say for the first time that I think I did as good a job as I would have in the ssl room with choice outboard gear. Lots of the UAD stuff helped me get there.
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Mar 2, 2017 22:56:42 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 2, 2017 22:56:42 GMT -6
Ya a UAD 3 roadmap would really help UAD keep customer ties in and satisfied.. As of now, 80% of the people I know that use UAD are not happy with the cost and lack of info regarding the update cycles. The SF Apollo was revamped around 3 years after its initial release. UAD doing away with mk2 pricing is also BS and has more than a few people frustrated. The sound is phenomenal as far as plugins goes .. I see it from a different perspective. I still have enough power on my Quad Card... I use the UAD plugs like some extra outboard. Charging me for mk II was nothing but stupid, pulled me away as a long time customer. Second thing that pulled me away was their last poll . I give them 30 minutes of my working time, and the voucher is limited. NG marketing strategy. The prices for thier plug ins are nothing but crazy... Last thing is. We have great sounding native plug ins... I jet do not see a reason to buy more UAD plug ins. The GUI satisfies the acquisition syndrome in us. And 'proven' pieces promise us 'professional' sounds for 'better' mixes so we follow suit and don't do the work and listen for ourselves. But that's just the cynic in me talking. I'm guilty as sin. Note to self...
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Mar 3, 2017 5:20:49 GMT -6
I see it from a different perspective. I still have enough power on my Quad Card... I use the UAD plugs like some extra outboard. Charging me for mk II was nothing but stupid, pulled me away as a long time customer. Second thing that pulled me away was their last poll . I give them 30 minutes of my working time, and the voucher is limited. NG marketing strategy. The prices for thier plug ins are nothing but crazy... Last thing is. We have great sounding native plug ins... I jet do not see a reason to buy more UAD plug ins. We agree they are way too much expensive and the point of a plugin is to treat as a plugin it like HW 😂 It's hard for me to recommednUAD at all to anyone because of the entry price to the platform and plugin cost... I got a $50 voucher this month, seems $25 ain't working for UAD. Yes that voucher that expired for the survey is bullshit. I was definitely not happy about that either... They have been timing vouchers to expire just before a sale and voucher seem to expire within a month.. I don't even bother looking at what I can get with a voucher anymore because they are always so restricted. I do think UAD plugins are great for monitoring if you have an Apollo.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 3, 2017 5:45:10 GMT -6
I use UAD plugs every day. Sure - I've made the mistake of buying a few that I never use anymore, but the same goes for lots of different purchases. But the difference is that you can't sell your unwanted UAD plugin purchases.
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Post by marten on Mar 3, 2017 6:58:45 GMT -6
Thinking about jumping on the uad wagon. I'm willing to wait for the next generation dsp accelerators. My question is have they established an update cycle? When was the current gen released? Thanks!!!!!!!! I'm also seriously thinking about it too. 500$ off a TB satellite octo is a good deal. It will also work on my ageing Mac Minis without any update on my end. Yeah......i'm one of those who doesn't update/upgrade computers just to follow the crowd.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 3, 2017 7:03:38 GMT -6
I use UAD plugs every day. Sure - I've made the mistake of buying a few that I never use anymore, but the same goes for lots of different purchases. The fact that I can mix large sessions on my Mac mini and have no problems because half the plugs Im using are on the shark card makes me happy. I was also glad to get away from waves... I just finished up some mixes with my home rig and I can honestly say for the first time that I think I did as good a job as I would have in the ssl room with choice outboard gear. Lots of the UAD stuff helped me get there. Great points
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Post by swurveman on Mar 3, 2017 9:03:26 GMT -6
I use UAD plugs every day. Sure - I've made the mistake of buying a few that I never use anymore, but the same goes for lots of different purchases. But the difference is that you can't sell your unwanted UAD plugin purchases. Yeah, that's adding insult to injury as far as I'm concerned. I bought into the idea that the PCIE card would bring better performance, when in fact my UAD plugins crap out before my Waves and Slate one's.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 3, 2017 9:11:24 GMT -6
I use UAD plugs every day. Sure - I've made the mistake of buying a few that I never use anymore, but the same goes for lots of different purchases. The fact that I can mix large sessions on my Mac mini and have no problems because half the plugs Im using are on the shark card makes me happy. I was also glad to get away from waves... I just finished up some mixes with my home rig and I can honestly say for the first time that I think I did as good a job as I would have in the ssl room with choice outboard gear. Lots of the UAD stuff helped me get there. Great points Yeah, that is one of the very positive things I dig about UAD. I'm on a 2012 Mac Mini, and I feel UAD extends the life of my processing power in that I don't tax my CPU much. I used to be all UAD, but I'd say I'm about 50/50 now. There's just too much good stuff out there these days.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 3, 2017 9:21:01 GMT -6
UAD has been responsive to customer input occasionally. I can understand expiring vouchers, but not vouchers for participating in a survey. If the survey has value to UAD, our time spent there should have permanent value too. We should be able to collect survey vouchers for at least a year. A fairer trade in policy would be a nice touch. At the least, they should allow three plugs a year to be sold. I'd love to sell a couple of dusty plug-ins for some newer ones. Even a 30% return value would be decent.
The digital sales world is an odd thing. I've bought the permanent right to use a plug-in, but I don't own it. Anything else I spend $300 on in the world, I own, like a preamp or a toaster. We should own those rights, and be free to trade or sell anytime. That's how America has worked since forever, and we should keep it that way.
I don't think people in congress truly understand the digital domain, and therefore are allowing our copyrights to be undermined and our rights as a consumer voided because we buy something that's virtual. I'll keep getting more and more hardware as often as I can afford it, and eventually, plug-ins will be a brilliant supplement. Like Jeremy, I don't love Waves either. I've got their Mercury bundle, and barely use it. Every time I compare a Waves plug to the same emulation done by UAD, UAD has been the clear winner.
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