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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 7, 2017 13:17:37 GMT -6
It seems a proprietary system only using waves plug ins: creates no value for me
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UAD
Mar 7, 2017 14:45:51 GMT -6
Post by Guitar on Mar 7, 2017 14:45:51 GMT -6
This thread makes me really want T Verb. Eventide is just so good at that sort of thing. I'm surprised I looked it over with the intro price.
Yes, that Lindell compressor is really good.
I'm going to be moving back to Apollo this month whenever the new software update is released that will allow multiple Apollos on Windows 10 thunderbolt.
I'm going to add a silver Apollo Twin Duo to my rig. I'm kind of excited. I think I'm going to start tracking my drum set with unison preamps and other effects on the way in.
There are certainly great native options, but UAD plugins have some real standout stars also. They're the only people that get tape sims right to my ear, for example. UAD are not flat out better than other brands, but they are certainly among the top ones to beat.
The prices are sort of a joke, but if you only buy on the annual sales, and use the coupons, you can get some screaming deals.
One of the most LOL inducing plugins to me is the Ibanez Tube Screamer for $129. When I just bought a real, physical TS-9 for $70. Stuff like that seems a little delusional on the part of UA. I think they could make their pricing more friendly to the everyman, like mrholmes said. Shouldn't a single stompbox plugin be closer to $20 or $30? Shouldn't an antiquated digital EQ like the Cambridge not cost nearly as much as the cutting edge FabFilter Pro Q2?
It sucks to have to first of all buy the DSP, and then second of all the plugins themselves. If you're paying full price for this stuff, I think that's a bad value, and I would just stick with native.
Fortunately they keep pretty busy with the deals, sales, promotions and whatnot. So it's not all bad, if you exercise patience.
I have to say I was a little bit pissed how long it took them to get the Windows thunderbolt and console 2.0 thing going. On the other hand it's still a pretty new and evolving technology so I guess I understand.
I would like to see the price of the hardware come down, but I guess they have to make their profit somewhere.
And I agree also that the Solo stuff is just downright depressing. I wish they could have just skipped that.
I guess they're doing pretty well in the big picture, but there's certainly some room for improvement. UA is a pretty quirky brand.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 7, 2017 19:14:32 GMT -6
monkeyxx said, "UA is a pretty quirky brand".
I agree, there seems to be a disconnect with some parts of reality. I too thought a $129 pedal emulation was some kind of joke. That kind of thinking only works one way, if they make a plug-in clearly better than anything else available, those who wants the very last inch of quality, will pay extra for it, like any luxury brand. The thing they're missing is all their products are not demonstrably better than others, just some.
By now, UAD's emulated enough classic gear to last any mixer a lifetime, so unless they up their game with proprietary innovative plug-ins, and simultaneously upgrade their interfaces to be truly equal to brands like Apogee's Symphony II, they'll become irrelevant.
It would be a shame if that happens, because they're kind of like the Harley Davidson of gear, and seeing them become marginalized would be sad.
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UAD
Mar 7, 2017 19:54:41 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 7, 2017 19:54:41 GMT -6
It's not that we don't live UAD it's just right now and for the past year their cons outweigh the pros and the native market is getting better and better and more $ friendly... I enjoy the plugin quality, it's just too expensive for me to add a new plug when I want and there in lies the problem. Most UAD plugins are wants after the 1176/ La2/ neve / Chandler stuff... Yes some of the reverbs are top notch too but so is the price for the dongle and plugin... Giving away " analog classics " that are 10-15 years old isn't a "gift" when people are spending $800-$3000 investing into UAD...
They are so worried about selling twins they won't even give us a road map on UAD 3 or new sharp chips to run the dsp heavy emu's...
Would you guys subscribe to UAD if it was $19.99 a month and at the end of the year you get to own one plug plus a $150 voucher towards anything that could be combined with another coupon? They been giving away quads anyway the past two holidays so buy a twin/ 8/ 16 and get a quad and eligible for subscription? I'm not going to subscribe though... think every UAD plug... that only enticed new customers and will piss off many who spent thousands to " own " the uad2 plugins.... ya tough spot for UAD time to innovate 😃
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Post by javamad on Mar 8, 2017 2:11:07 GMT -6
Any firm moving to a subscription model, giving everything to "newcomers" for $20/month will of course annoy the people, like myself, who have spent $ thousands on their gear. The subscription model though traditionally works for software-only products. When hardware is involved it's not as easy to structure, especially with UAD having the option to daisy-chain several devices, so what do you charge someone with 1 or 3 devices?
I would agree that they have covered quite an extensive list of classic analog gear, but I am sure that they can continue to do so, perhaps at a slightly slower rate. The key room for improvement I believe has to be things like a) adding mix knobs on all plugins (free of charge update) and b) increasing the DSP power of devices (in a backwards compatible manner). There is a whole fleet of Apollo's out there and their owners are on the whole satisfied customers and UAD plugins are an industry reference. They need to consolidate their usefulness and take us forward with them. My $0.02 :-)
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UAD
Mar 8, 2017 18:43:19 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Mar 8, 2017 18:43:19 GMT -6
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