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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 8, 2016 9:31:47 GMT -6
M57 Hello, I think the Slate subscription will be awesome for you if you like the rental thing and most of his stuff sounds real nice! If you want to purchase some plugins or use some great freebies please read below, I will add links as well! Do you have Kotelnikov, SlickEq, Nova by Tokyo dawn labs/ records? They are free D/L and amazing in their own right! They also have $50 dollar GE editions with more features Klanghelm has great plugs for great purchase prices MJUC I think is around $35 to own... People like to hate on Waves however I still use my Renaissance Bundle every mix and the RComp/ Rverb/ RChannel/ L1 (separate) are staples of mine! I got the bundle online through a 3rd party plugin vendor for around $129 or maybe it was $109 on holiday sales, plus Waves has blow out sales on individual plugs where you can get pretty great deals... Sign up for their email list or buy used lol .. Also Limiter No.6 by VladG is free D/L and it's a beast of a plug with 4 different modules; ISP Limiter, Brickwall Limiter ( other modes ), RMS compressor, and Clipper, and they are about to release the new updated improved version as well... FabFilter Pro Q2 IMO is a must for subtractive/ corrective eq, Mixbus eq ( I chop 30hz and below with 48/ 72/ 96db slope depending ) and for Mastering with its various modes and wonderful GUI/ spectrogram... www.tokyodawn.net/tokyo-dawn-labs/vladgsound.wordpress.com/plugins/limiter6/www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RenMaxxBun?adpos=3t2&creative=156048634492&device=m&matchtype=b&network=g&gclid=CNuWx4u9mdACFcolgQodYBgA2wwww.fabfilter.com/products/pro-q-2-equalizer-plug-inklanghelm.com/contents/main.php
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Post by M57 on Nov 8, 2016 19:36:44 GMT -6
Thanks Chase. I just installed the TDR Kotelnikov and the Limiter #6. Looking forward to trying them out. I have a fair amount free stuff (some TokyoDawn/Nova, Plugin Alliance, Nomad Factory, iZotope, HOFA, Softube, Boz, etc.) and have purchased a few things here and there, like the MJUC, a few Waves plugs that I've bought as they went on sale. Basically, I don't think I've paid more than $40 or $50 for a plug. It's not that I'm a cheap skate.. I'm happy to pay for it if I need/want it and it's worth it. Up to now, I've just figured that the big bucks are better spent on real hardware, but the calculus of that mindset is changing.
The takeaway I'm getting from folks like you and jcoutu is that I'm right to look for that one bundle that does everything I need. But then, I doubt that I'm maxing out the stuff I already have. I watch a number of demos/reviews for some of these plug, and I often wonder if I'm imagining the advantage they have over the plugs I already own. Long story short, I don't doubt I could shut the GAS off and deal adequatedly with what I have now. Why shouldn't I be able to deal with the 10 VI compressors I have now - not to mention a WA76 and a WA-2A sitting in the wings? Reverb is a different issue. Part of the problem there is, I'm flying blind. Honestly, I feel like I haven't got a clue what I'm doing.. At the risk of exposing how much of a hack I am, I load up 3 or 4 busses with verbs of varying in types, lengths and sizes, and twiddle knobs until I get it where it sounds good. The "functional" differences between Convolution, Plate, Spring, etc, elude me. I simply audition all my tracks through them until I find what I like. It's been mentioned here by some very experienced guys that back in the day, they dealt with what they had. I feel like I have quite a bit already.
Anyway, I'm very tempted by the Slate offering. With its console, tape and reverb emulations, it seems like it fills a lot of the perceived gaps in my set up.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 8, 2016 19:47:19 GMT -6
Anybody mention the Klanghelm Mjuc or whatever it's called? Really nice.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 8, 2016 20:01:45 GMT -6
Anybody mention the Klanghelm Mjuc or whatever it's called? Really nice. A great plug!
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Post by M57 on Nov 8, 2016 20:03:52 GMT -6
Anybody mention the Klanghelm Mjuc or whatever it's called? Really nice. Yep, that's one of the one's ChaseUTB mentioned and one of the ones I actually ended up buying. It's a uniquely flavored comp that on the one hand makes me want to try others, but then I have to admit, I choose one of Logic's comps over it 80% of the time. I guess that's testimony to having the luxury of choice.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 8, 2016 23:40:02 GMT -6
It's one of the best comp plugs out there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 0:25:33 GMT -6
Reverb is a different issue. Part of the problem there is, I'm flying blind. Honestly, I feel like I haven't got a clue what I'm doing.. At the risk of exposing how much of a hack I am, I load up 3 or 4 busses with verbs of varying in types, lengths and sizes, and twiddle knobs until I get it where it sounds good. The "functional" differences between Convolution, Plate, Spring, etc, elude me. I simply audition all my tracks through them until I find what I like. It's been mentioned here by some very experienced guys that back in the day, they dealt with what they had. I feel like I have quite a bit already. Sounds familiar .... some great info from guys here. Reverb thread Valhalla is great for the money.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 9, 2016 5:03:11 GMT -6
Anybody mention the Klanghelm Mjuc or whatever it's called? Really nice. Jupp one of the better software compressors .....
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 9, 2016 13:22:26 GMT -6
M57 please click on paddyc 's link to the reverb thread in his comment where is says " reverb thread " lots of great info... sound examples and videos etc It's easy to get caught up in buying plugin after plugin! I use and learn with what I got or have purchased. Lack of finances can be a good thing when one is gassing for a new shiny plug/ new HW piece! If I know the ins and outs of my aresenal and I still cannot complete a certain task efficiently or achieve a sound I hear/ want, that's when I know it's time to go hunting for that new plugin or HW, and/ or sometimes it comes down to workflow; learning and implementing new techniques I have a wishlist of SW/ HW that's two pages long. 25% I really need where as most are wants/ wishes! Having six companies LA2A SW emu is cool but in the same mix it cannlead to some issues if one isn't careful... And purchasing each at $100 or more adds up fast $$$! 6-12 months later, as one gets better, you realize 4 outta the 6 emu's suck and you don't use them. You find out 3 of the companies are now subscription and the other company won't transfer license without fees! You then delete them from your HD with disgust realizing that $$$ was wasted cuz you listened to some online posters ramble on how these plugs were the next best thing. Those same posters never shared their music or links lol, so always demo for yourself if you are interested.
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 9, 2016 13:54:40 GMT -6
OK - I'm normally not the guy who puts threads like these back on topic, but.. I just watched what I think is a pretty well done review/demonstration video and I have to say that the difference the VCC 2 makes sounds pretty significant to me. Even if it's not as good as the real thing(s) - I like it and I want it, and that's all that matters. The only thing that's deterring me at this point is the ilok2, which I've avoided buying up to this point.. and the price. It looks like you can purchase it outright for $150 from Sweetwater (with an ilok), but I'm looking at the list of stuff you get for the subscription fee (basically $180 a year, right?), and I'm thinking about what else I might use to make it worth the yearly payout. The Virtual Tape gets mixed reviews, but I've got to believe it's good enough for me, The VerbSuite looks easy to use - There's mastering stuff.. yada yada.. So like everyone else, I'm looking at the big picture.. On the one hand, my standards get higher as my ear and skills as a engineer/mixologist get better. On the other, it's just a home studio where I'm making vanity recordings for myself - I.e, I'm a musician first and foremost. I have to remind myself that as sexy as it may seem at times, gear is just a means to an end. Honestly, the stock stuff that comes with Logic works pretty damn well, so generally speaking, when making a purchase, I look for plugs that are missing or lacking in Logic. Logic's suite of compressors are pretty amazing, both in quality, features, and range of character, not to mention they are easy to audition against each other. Are Slate's that much better? Will I use their pre-amp plugs? The mastering stuff looks awesome.. I'm in pretty good shape with mics and pre's - though I'd love to pick up something like a 1073 to complement my D4s, and it would be nice to get another WA-2A so I can bounce some stereo busses or mixes through them. Hmm.. a Silver Bullet or reasonable facsimile would be nice. But those are all things I need to save up for, and a couple extra hundo here and there adds up. I'm feeling dirty for having plug-in GAS. Anyway, thanks for listening in to my internal conversation with myself. Comments and recommendations are welcome.. The only tape machine I have is an Otari MTR-12 that I rescued from an NBC storage unit in New Jersey. Honestly, I'm 22 so I don't really have experience with real Studer's, but I get a lot of use out of the Virtual Tape Machines, especially when the deadlines / time restraints of a given project don't allow for me to run it through real 456 or ATR tape, when I feel like that would add something to the mix. I also think the custom series EQs, and V76 preamp emulation sound really nice, especially the custom series eq's as far as plugin EQs go. The new Rev A 1176 compressors are also solid for parallel compression until I get my Splice MKII. Finally, I think their new de-esser / MB comp is one best and most transparent de-essers I have ever used in my (short) life. I still use FabFilter MB for more surgical / complex MB comp applications, but for quick de-essing the Slate one sounds great... I can just use one instant of that where I would have used 2 instances of the FabFilter DS / MB before in a lot of cases. I even had one mastering gig I did for a client where he had another engineer record and mix vocals, who somehow managed to get sibilant male vocals from a SM7b. I put the Slate De-esser on the entire track on one of the "mastering" settings, and was able to tweak it till it drastically cleaned up the sibilance, and did so transparently / without effecting the rest of the mix.
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 9, 2016 14:03:19 GMT -6
I'll keep it short so the reverb talk can be left to the other thread, but speaking of reverb, I've started using the new VerbSuite slate plug (free with the bundle), and I've gotten some really nice results with it. I was previously using the Slate collaboration with Relab, their 480L emulation, but they must have had a falling out because the new Slate plugin literally copies all of the same presets, and possibly the same IRs to the 480L emulation they have on their newest plug, and even starts you in that bank when you open up a new instance. Seems kinda like a "screw you, Relab", if you ask me. It includes many other hardware emulations besides the 480L in this case, including an externally linked download of M7 IRs, that sound really nice, for what it's worth.
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Post by wiz on Nov 9, 2016 17:40:46 GMT -6
I am just finishing up a new song (getting Jo to do some top harmonies in a couple of hours) and I thought I would share the mix to this point. The last song I posted up "April Rain" I put VCC on at the end of the process. This time on the song "Cloud Nine" I have used it to mix through. Its really interesting. I just picked the 4KE setting for channels and mix buss and went for it. It definately made the process different. Better? I think so. Time will ultimately tell... Let me put it this way... I didn't bypass it and like the un VCC'd mix better, like used to happen with VCC 1. stevenslateI think you guys did a great job with this plug in .... I really like it. Here is the song if you want to have a listen. Cloud Nine
I wanted to write a song, from the perspective of one member of one of the most famous bands of all time, talking to another one... I wanted the song to be extremely reminiscent sonically of the deceased band members style, sound and mindset.... which is why it sounds like it does.... cheers Wiz
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 9, 2016 20:27:34 GMT -6
I am just finishing up a new song (getting Jo to do some top harmonies in a couple of hours) and I thought I would share the mix to this point. The last song I posted up "April Rain" I put VCC on at the end of the process. This time on the song "Cloud Nine" I have used it to mix through. Its really interesting. I just picked the 4KE setting for channels and mix buss and went for it. It definately made the process different. Better? I think so. Time will ultimately tell... Let me put it this way... I didn't bypass it and like the un VCC'd mix better, like used to happen with VCC 1. stevenslate I think you guys did a great job with this plug in .... I really like it. Here is the song if you want to have a listen. Cloud Nine
I wanted to write a song, from the perspective of one member of one of the most famous bands of all time, talking to another one... I wanted the song to be extremely reminiscent sonically of the deceased band members style, sound and mindset.... which is why it sounds like it does.... cheers Wiz Like it the kick should get a bit more from the drum room verb sound I guess the M7? It too dry and too boomy midrange for my taste - the rest is as always tempting.
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Post by lcr on Nov 26, 2016 7:10:50 GMT -6
It's one of the best comp plugs out there. Yep.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 26, 2016 8:58:12 GMT -6
Its week three that I use VCC and VBC and VMR now. I am still thrilled how good they work mixing complete ITB.
Now I am waiting for the distressor plug in.
If that is the same quality - Slate is giving the owners of the hardware a hard time.
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Post by jdc on Jul 19, 2017 9:36:18 GMT -6
are people still using and liking vcc 2 here?
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Post by stormymondays on Jul 19, 2017 9:54:18 GMT -6
are people still using and liking vcc 2 here? Ever since I got the Softube Console 1, I decided to use its drive instead of VCC 2. I still use VTM on every channel though.
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Post by M57 on Jul 19, 2017 11:22:06 GMT -6
are people still using and liking vcc 2 here? I am, but with caveats. I should start by saying that I really appreciate Steven's presets. They are a great starting point given my skills, but I do get the feeling on occasion that I'm somehow getting "locked in" to a sound. So just to keep things feeling fresh, I'll pull out Logic's stock EQs and Compressors quite a bit. Come to think of it, and of course there's no way to describe it in specific terms, but sometimes I get that feeling with the entire suite. At the time I went in, I was seriously considering the Softube Console 1 as an alternative, and though I have no regrets I don't doubt I might be doing what jdc is doing if I had both. That said, there are a number of things in the Slate Suite that I find indispensable. Eosis, FG-X quickly come to mind, and the tape emulations, which I use sparingly, but they make a difference.
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Post by lcr on Jul 19, 2017 11:52:00 GMT -6
Lately VCC SSL E mixbuss on the mixbuss and NLS Spike channel on channels. Once I get a static mix I'll often turn up the input on the VCC mixbuss anywhere from pushed hard to dimed. I also use the VMR and most of the other slate stuff, but on topic of the thread NLS into VCC has been fun.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 19, 2017 19:18:05 GMT -6
VCC was the first Slate product I purchased and I use it on everything I do. The board emulation I use usually depends on the genre I'm working in. I really like the Trident board as my general go to board. It reminds me of an actual trident I recorded through as well as a Soundtracks board a friend had that I recorded through. It just sounds like an analogue board to me. I push it pretty hard too.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 22, 2017 19:19:36 GMT -6
are people still using and liking vcc 2 here? I use it everyday and I tend to love the trident modell best. At 14,99 a month for the everything bundle, you cant go wrong.... The new tube preamp sims are killer on low frequency content. The disstressor seems to be around the corner too.... This hiring concept makes sesne becasue nothing changes faster as plug ins and I hate to waste money.
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