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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2016 17:32:12 GMT -6
I've got the Disney Channel on all the time. Well, there ya go! Long time client, although not so much anymore.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 5, 2016 17:39:20 GMT -6
drbill@jcoutu Can we please go back on topic? If you have to sort out things please use PMs...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2016 17:42:26 GMT -6
I've got the Disney Channel on all the time. Well, there ya go! Long time client, although not so much anymore. You've mentioned that before. Saying Disney is a long time client is meaningless though. If your mixing dialog on Doc McStuffins that's totally different from mixing music on Jake. Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm trying to get a sense of what you're actually doing and you're still beating around the bush. I'll leave it be though and use the demo reel from your site as representative work. Sorry for the off topic everyone.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 5, 2016 18:03:10 GMT -6
VCC2 still sounds good to my ears and is the first believable substitute for summing in the real gear world.
If all plug ins would meet my expectations, I would join the all ITB club without a question.
I will buy VCC2 because sometimes all ITB is what time dictates.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 18:53:07 GMT -6
jcoutu1 - I'm not sure how you got so bent by my comments. I don't recall directing anything at you personally.... Perhaps VCC v.2 is dear to you and you felt I was dissing it? If so, sorry, that's totally cool with me. Just cause it doesn't work for me doesn't mean it's not a viable tool for you or someone else. You say "give you some substance". I'm not sure what you actually MEAN by that, but aside from the time factors, there's a reason I don't post up clips. There are too many un-hinged people on GS and even here, and the abuse and stalking many of us who do this for a living have had to put up with in the past make it not worthwhile. I'll leave that to other brave souls. Also, clients are known to frequent as well, and it is not my intent to embarrass or single them out when the negativity starts to fly. I've given legit (at least legit for me, and since I would have to be the one doing the substantive clips, that's all that counts) many times. I'm sure you've read them. You're around these parts enough. You may disagree with my reasoning or think I'm "full of it" as you put it. That's AOK with me. If that is not legit enough for you, then feel free to discard my $.02 or block out my posts. My goal is not to convince you or anyone else of my opinion. I just enjoy throwing it out there like the rest of us. Inevitably, there are contrary opinions to mine - that's part and parcel with any creative endeavor. I try not to get all pissy about it. Hopefully you can do the same with me. re: v.2 - I got an answer for my question, and for those who didn't get all butt hurt, and gave me legit opinions, I'm grateful. It has led me to believe that even with my doubts, given opportunity, I should give v.2 a shot. re: Gefell - 692/xxx The clips are out there on one of the biggest, longest running threads on GS. Doesn't take much effort to find it. But....as wonderful and thankful for that shootout as so many people have been, I'll never do another because of the reasons stated above. Audio and music seems to galvanize people in strange ways..... Cheers, bp I can't take it anymore. I'm going to free Bill up so he won't be bothered by us mere mortals anymore. Godspeed, Bill.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 18:58:44 GMT -6
Btw - 6 million page views in three years and I've banned four people.
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Post by ragan on Nov 5, 2016 19:52:10 GMT -6
Wow. That got out of hand quickly.
Didn't think any of the back and forth with Bill on this site rose to anything remotely resembling banning level but, hey, I'm not the sheriff here.
Let that be a warning to the rest of us lest we become mildly annoying.
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Post by mhbunch on Nov 5, 2016 20:03:13 GMT -6
jcoutu1 - I'm not sure how you got so bent by my comments. I don't recall directing anything at you personally.... Perhaps VCC v.2 is dear to you and you felt I was dissing it? If so, sorry, that's totally cool with me. Just cause it doesn't work for me doesn't mean it's not a viable tool for you or someone else. You say "give you some substance". I'm not sure what you actually MEAN by that, but aside from the time factors, there's a reason I don't post up clips. There are too many un-hinged people on GS and even here, and the abuse and stalking many of us who do this for a living have had to put up with in the past make it not worthwhile. I'll leave that to other brave souls. Also, clients are known to frequent as well, and it is not my intent to embarrass or single them out when the negativity starts to fly. I've given legit (at least legit for me, and since I would have to be the one doing the substantive clips, that's all that counts) many times. I'm sure you've read them. You're around these parts enough. You may disagree with my reasoning or think I'm "full of it" as you put it. That's AOK with me. If that is not legit enough for you, then feel free to discard my $.02 or block out my posts. My goal is not to convince you or anyone else of my opinion. I just enjoy throwing it out there like the rest of us. Inevitably, there are contrary opinions to mine - that's part and parcel with any creative endeavor. I try not to get all pissy about it. Hopefully you can do the same with me. re: v.2 - I got an answer for my question, and for those who didn't get all butt hurt, and gave me legit opinions, I'm grateful. It has led me to believe that even with my doubts, given opportunity, I should give v.2 a shot. re: Gefell - 692/xxx The clips are out there on one of the biggest, longest running threads on GS. Doesn't take much effort to find it. But....as wonderful and thankful for that shootout as so many people have been, I'll never do another because of the reasons stated above. Audio and music seems to galvanize people in strange ways..... Cheers, bp I can't take it anymore. I'm going to free Bill up so he won't be bothered by us mere mortals anymore. Godspeed, Bill. Are you kidding me? What's up with you banning people for having opinions? I don't understand why you guys are getting so bent up.
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2016 20:22:44 GMT -6
I can't take it anymore. I'm going to free Bill up so he won't be bothered by us mere mortals anymore. Godspeed, Bill. Are you kidding me? What's up with you banning people for having opinions? I don't understand why you guys are getting so bent up. Agree or not it's John's party and he is the last word on this!
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 5, 2016 20:23:13 GMT -6
I guess if you don't post samples of your work and credits of what you've accomplished your opinion doesn't count? Wow
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Post by ragan on Nov 5, 2016 20:30:19 GMT -6
I like John and I like this site but I find the heavy handed thing to be a turn off.
If that gets me banned, so be it.
If this is my last post, you guys are cool, keep it up. Happy recording.
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 5, 2016 20:34:02 GMT -6
I like John and I like this site but I find the heavy handed thing to be a turn off. If that gets me banned, so be it. If this is my last post, you guys are cool, keep it up. Happy recording. Absolutely 100% agree This place is special , but
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 20:53:12 GMT -6
Oh well
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 20:54:50 GMT -6
Are you guys fucking kidding me??? I can't win. This guy has been totally obnoxious his entire stint here. I've banned four people in four damn years and I'm heavy handed? Give me a damn break. If you can't see what a douche he was being then tough shit. I'm sure Bill will be holding court over at Gearslutz.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 20:57:50 GMT -6
I like John and I like this site but I find the heavy handed thing to be a turn off. If that gets me banned, so be it. If this is my last post, you guys are cool, keep it up. Happy recording. Absolutely 100% agree This place is special , but But what? You're not going to post anymore because bill was being a passive aggressive jerk?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 20:58:21 GMT -6
I like John and I like this site but I find the heavy handed thing to be a turn off. If that gets me banned, so be it. If this is my last post, you guys are cool, keep it up. Happy recording. And I'm right here, man...you can pm me any time you want.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 5, 2016 21:18:07 GMT -6
VCC2 still sounds good to my ears and is the first believable substitute for summing in the real gear world. If all plug ins would meet my expectations, I would join the all ITB club without a question. I will buy VCC2 because sometimes all ITB is what time dictates. Good post. I feel the same. Sadly though, every single time I think I've got a track sounding perfect with software, I'll set up a hardware insert and the end result is quickly apparent. But like most, I don't have the scratch for 50 or more channels of outboard. So these types of plug ins are usable and fill the gap. Like you, I'd love it if software was always as good. I'd sell my gear and never look back.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2016 21:59:08 GMT -6
Sorry for pissing everyone off. Wasn't my intention.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 5, 2016 22:24:25 GMT -6
VCC2 still sounds good to my ears and is the first believable substitute for summing in the real gear world. If all plug ins would meet my expectations, I would join the all ITB club without a question. I will buy VCC2 because sometimes all ITB is what time dictates. Good post. I feel the same. Sadly though, every single time I think I've got a track sounding perfect with software, I'll set up a hardware insert and the end result is quickly apparent. But like most, I don't have the scratch for 50 or more channels of outboard. So these types of plug ins are usable and fill the gap. Like you, I'd love it if software was always as good. I'd sell my gear and never look back. Anyway I lost fun and track now. My aim was to share my thoughts, to discuss VCC versus my summing mixer - should I ditch the mixer... Another aim was to give Kudos to SS because its the first plug in by SD which I like. No one of the pros picked up my questions and out of sudden we went OT. If some representatives of summing devices cant live with competition in the SW market - I feel sorry for them. But hej that's capitalism. I fight everyday to get new customers. I am here to have fun, to share opinions, to learn something, or to rethink my workflow. I am here to give something - if I have serious information. If that is not going to work out, and we go nuts like on the other blue board - it will be the last forum I did use in my life. I did learn one thing in forums, the ignore list is something wonderful. Another reason why I am at RGO, or the main one is this: I like the American spirit. You answer questions, without going nuts about to give away a part of your experience. Germans are very narcissistic about giving without getting something. In other words Americans are very generous. I always liked this spirit and its a part I try to implement in my life as well. Giving without taking. Love and Peace Holmes
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 5, 2016 23:24:01 GMT -6
Yeah I like things peaceful myself. That's why I choose to hang out here more than the other site. It's the wild west over there. It's almost as if on the purple site it is expected of everyone to be snarky and snide. I've learned to largely ignore snarky comments (and those types of people for that matter).
There are many people who are only kind to those who can advance their own self interest. It's been a hard lesson learned, but I've found the true measure of a man is one who is kind to those who can do nothing for him. That's the man I try to be. Fall short sometimes but I try.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 6, 2016 2:31:35 GMT -6
This is RGO, Mr. Johnkenn 's site! His rules.... I always wanted to have links and credits because I believe in my skill and my work and I want to walk the walk with the "big boys"... Not just " talk " and I'm speaking on myself only! IDK, hope everybody can type out their true meaning/ statement because all we can see is words here not facial expression or tone which sets the precedent between what you are saying and how you are saying it... I mean this in the kindest way possible because I enjoy the people on this forum Have a great Day making music or watching NFL:) With the VCC 2.0 talk and the Slate Verb Suite Classics praise, I may be jumping into Demo mode Plus Slate works on OS X Lion
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Post by donr on Nov 6, 2016 7:15:00 GMT -6
I think an admonishment to the bickering parties would have sufficed. But it ain't my board.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 6, 2016 12:33:58 GMT -6
I think an admonishment to the bickering parties would have sufficed. But it ain't my board. I can believe in my walk without getting hugs from anyone. If RGO is going to change in a pissing contest in this case it turns into Kindergarten. IMO it should be a place of support. I know this "better than you attitude" from the music biz too long - and I am sick of it - because its unprofessional narcissistic and stupid. The internet is a magnet for people with narcissistic disorders, they make their person bigger than they are and they turn down others. I try to stay away from those people and I agree with Johns zero tolerance politic because those users hurt other users. Last but not least ... its just the internet, I will have a nice meal with my GF now. Back to real live...
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 6, 2016 14:29:16 GMT -6
That's exactly what I was trying to say. I think one of the things that keeps the guy that wants to learn something from posting is someone intimidating them to the point that they're scared to post. Also, the reason some pros don't post on GS anymore is that everybody with a computer thinks they know more than a guy that's been doing it for 20 years. I don't want either of those two scenarios to happen. If guys like Buck Freaking Dharma can post here without saying, "turn on your TV" then everyone else should be able to do the same.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 6, 2016 15:28:59 GMT -6
That's exactly what I was trying to say. I think one of the things that keeps the guy that wants to learn something from posting is someone intimidating them to the point that they're scared to post. Also, the reason some pros don't post on GS anymore is that everybody with a computer thinks they know more than a guy that's been doing it for 20 years. I don't want either of those two scenarios to happen. If guys like Buck Freaking Dharma can post here without saying, "turn on your TV" then everyone else should be able to do the same. I love that song astronomy by Blue Oyster Cult...the piano and gtr are amazing, not to mention the guitar solo I always try to help the next person if I can if it's applicable! For example in @paddycrunden 's Reverb thread, I posted links and vids, and typed out my workflow as well. I linked the sound file to help to provide the balance one needs between understanding the concept, listening to/ for the concept, and application of it I do my best to provide facts by checking links before I post or providing links to the info, or I always do my best to iterate what I'm saying is my experience/ opinion and that's why my posts can be long in the tooth...
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