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Post by mrholmes on Nov 5, 2016 6:54:56 GMT -6
Turn on your TV. You'll hear stuff I did.  Such a cop out. Such and such a mic sounds wonderful and better than another one (no example of how it sounds). 4 silver bullets with the blend of Neve and API sounds really make my mixes sing (no example of some killer mix). I ditched my console and work hybrid now and everything sounds better than ever (no before and after for us to hear). I don't understand how so many people can listen wholeheartedly to your advice when nobody ever knowingly hears a sample of your work. It's all just talk. Google is your friend.... store.louderthanliftoff.com/pages/silver-bullet-sound-clips |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 7:23:23 GMT -6
He's not looking for clips of the Silver Bullet in use...this thread is about VCC 2.
Here's a recent demo of mine I used it on.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/never-hurts-to-try-mix1
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 5, 2016 9:13:33 GMT -6
I don't understand how so many people can listen wholeheartedly to your advice when nobody ever knowingly hears a sample of your work. It's all just talk. I think your answer is here: www.mindseyeprod.com/credits.htmlI thought the general negativity and animosity was confined to the "other" forum...  |
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 5, 2016 9:26:14 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2016 9:52:16 GMT -6
Turn on your TV. You'll hear stuff I did. Such a cop out. Such and such a mic sounds wonderful and better than another one (no example of how it sounds). 4 silver bullets with the blend of Neve and API sounds really make my mixes sing (no example of some killer mix). I ditched my console and work hybrid now and everything sounds better than ever (no before and after for us to hear). I don't understand how so many people can listen wholeheartedly to your advice when nobody ever knowingly hears a sample of your work. It's all just talk. My job is to write music not put up samples. Sorry that I fall short of your expectations for me. Have a great day, and use whatever works for ya! My comment was that v.1 didn't work for me, and that was long before I had 4 SB's. |
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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2016 9:54:10 GMT -6
I don't understand how so many people can listen wholeheartedly to your advice when nobody ever knowingly hears a sample of your work. It's all just talk. I think your answer is here: www.mindseyeprod.com/credits.htmlI thought the general negativity and animosity was confined to the "other" forum... Those are pretty old. 10 years I'm guessing. Time to update? |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 5, 2016 9:54:16 GMT -6
I own it, but don't have it installed. I think I'll pass.... The hybrid approach is working well for me. Thanks for the reply. Got all excited for a couple of minutes. LOL V. 2 is definitely better, or it could be confirmation bias. I'd use V. 1 on some individual tracks as a tone control, but didn't like it across everything. V.2 seems to work as advertised, but real analog sounds more like analog, doesn't it. I think the Trident model is the secret weapon. It's a color not readily available elsewhere. My favorite, too. Sounds like an analog path to me. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 9:55:19 GMT -6
I agree, we should leave the arguing to the other site. Bill, your comments led to that exchange so stop acting like a victim.
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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2016 9:55:24 GMT -6
Thanks all for the v.2 vs. v.1 comments. <thumbsup>
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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2016 9:55:44 GMT -6
I agree, we should leave the arguing to the other site. Bill, your comments led to that exchange so stop acting like a victim. Huh? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 9:59:56 GMT -6
I own it, but don't have it installed. I think I'll pass.... The hybrid approach is working well for me. Thanks for the reply. Got all excited for a couple of minutes. LOL V. 2 is definitely better, or it could be confirmation bias. I'd use V. 1 on some individual tracks as a tone control, but didn't like it across everything. V.2 seems to work as advertised, but real analog sounds more like analog, doesn't it. I think the Trident model is the secret weapon. It's a color not readily available elsewhere. Yeah, Trident is nice. Nice top end. I tend to just go with the neve because the bottom punch is noticeable. Haven't really mixed up consoles - just kinda been using the VCC as a baseline set-it-and-forget-it." |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 5, 2016 10:01:59 GMT -6
Well cus of this thread I downloaded the vcc 2 update. I was never a vcc 1 fan boy: couldn't really hear the point ?
I did prefer wiz's vcc 2 mix and I also surprisingly found this morning on an acoustic alt song I am working on preferred my working mix with vcc2 as well.
It was no big deal to download the file , so if you have 10 minutes, why not try it yourself and see what you think ? Its always best to hear things first hand on your system !
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 10:07:20 GMT -6
"One man's nirvana is another man's fail"
"I have a license, but I think I'll pass"
"Turn on the tv. You'll hear stuff I did"
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"Sorry to once again fall short"
"My job is to write music not put up samples. Sorry that I fall short of your expectations"
There's certainly the possibility that I just take you wrong, but this seems to happen over and over. I believe it's called trolling.
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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2016 10:19:45 GMT -6
Then call me a troll and not a victim. I've got opinions just like anyone else. Ours generally don't match up. Or as you say we just don't "get" each other. If that's a problem, then just say the word, but your comments were more insulting than mine IMO. Of course, maybe I'm just not understanding you,.....
All I was looking for was someone who had used v.1 and not liked it that much and used v.2 and loved it.
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Post by deehope on Nov 5, 2016 11:28:01 GMT -6
I agree, we should leave the arguing to the other site. Bill, your comments led to that exchange so stop acting like a victim. Huh? When the title of a thread is Slate VCC 2 and your experience with vcc 1 wasnt positive. Then someone gives their honest opinion on VCC 2 and recommends that you give it a try and you're conclusion is it doesnt fit your work flow so you will not be trying it. Yes in all due respect, youre the cause of the exhcange. You could have came to the same conclusion on the product by simply looking at the thread title. When all was said and done what did your posts add to the "SLATE VCC 2" thread? Not trying to disrepect you, its my honest question |
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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2016 11:56:29 GMT -6
When all was said and done what did your posts add to the "SLATE VCC 2" thread? Not trying to disrepect you, its my honest question I think they added some valid opinions and anecdotal thoughts of v.1 vs v.2 stated by several people who had used both. Not just "oh, vcc2 is awesome" by someone who had never used v.1. Those comments aren't especially helpful to someone who didn't care for v.1 (And I'm obviously not the only person who didn't care for v.1) That was what I was looking for. When someone said "I don't think you'll like it", then that was enough for me to bail on trying it., cause I do have my doubts as I've never kept a slate plugin in the lineup for very long. If it was a significant change in philosophy or sound, I was willing to give it a try. I'm on the fence now, and when time permits, I may give it a go. |
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Post by mhbunch on Nov 5, 2016 12:04:56 GMT -6
Hated VCC when I tried it a couple years ago. I would try the new one except I'm trying to move away from slate plugs.
Has anyone tried the Sonimus console emus? I have their stuff and use it all the time because it beat out VCC 1 to my ears. I would be curious if anyone could compare it to the new version.
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Post by ragan on Nov 5, 2016 12:58:54 GMT -6
When all was said and done what did your posts add to the "SLATE VCC 2" thread? Not trying to disrepect you, its my honest question I think they added some valid opinions and anecdotal thoughts of v.1 vs v.2 stated by several people who had used both. Not just "oh, vcc2 is awesome" by someone who had never used v.1. Those comments aren't especially helpful to someone who didn't care for v.1 (And I'm obviously not the only person who didn't care for v.1) That was what I was looking for. When someone said "I don't think you'll like it", then that was enough for me to bail on trying it., cause I do have my doubts as I've never kept a slate plugin in the lineup for very long. If it was a significant change in philosophy or sound, I was willing to give it a try. I'm on the fence now, and when time permits, I may give it a go. I'm not sure if you're referring to my response but if so I didn't say or intend to communicate "I don't think you'll like it" FWIW. I just meant it's not a totally different animal than VCC1. Its better, but not fundamentally different, so I was/am doubtful it would win you over if you had such a negative opinion of VCC1. But I do think it's worth the couple minutes it would take to try it. Just for clarity's sake. |
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Post by wiz on Nov 5, 2016 14:42:39 GMT -6
I own it, but don't have it installed. I think I'll pass.... The hybrid approach is working well for me. Thanks for the reply. Got all excited for a couple of minutes. LOL V. 2 is definitely better, or it could be confirmation bias. I'd use V. 1 on some individual tracks as a tone control, but didn't like it across everything. V.2 seems to work as advertised, but real analog sounds more like analog, doesn't it. I think the Trident model is the secret weapon. It's a color not readily available elsewhere. I am really surprised by V2.0 I tried it yesterday on a couple of other mixes, and had the same positive experience. drbill I was just as skeptical as you are about VCC 2.0 and if I hadn't finished up a project and really had nothing on my plate, I probably wouldnt have bothered. If you don't have time to do it on your own work, you can have a quick listen to the two mixes I posted in this thread.. thats representative of what it brings to the table. It reminds me of the video SSL put out about the X Desk a few years ago where they compared 8 16 and 24 tracks of summing. I remember that being the most impressive summing video I have seen. As with all things gear, time will eventually tell if I like this going forward.. but I can say its doing what it says on the tin.... way better than VCC 1.0 cheers Wiz |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2016 14:57:13 GMT -6
Such a cop out. Such and such a mic sounds wonderful and better than another one (no example of how it sounds). 4 silver bullets with the blend of Neve and API sounds really make my mixes sing (no example of some killer mix). I ditched my console and work hybrid now and everything sounds better than ever (no before and after for us to hear). I don't understand how so many people can listen wholeheartedly to your advice when nobody ever knowingly hears a sample of your work. It's all just talk. My job is to write music not put up samples. Sorry that I fall short of your expectations for me. Have a great day, and use whatever works for ya! My comment was that v.1 didn't work for me, and that was long before I had 4 SB's. I don't expect you to be posting samples of some shootout or something. But, for example, in the Gefell thread, you say... "That said, the 692/UM70/M70/M71's are desert island mics for me, and always get used. The M71's or UM 70's are ALWAYS on drum overheads, only eclipsed by REAL C12's which I cannot afford. I have been looking for a REAL C12 replacement for 15+ years, and have not found anything better than the 692/UM70. Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/6109/gefell-mv692-thoughts#ixzz4PAYhxpLF" Awesome, if you're always using these as overheads, you should be able to mention a track that I can look up and hear them in action. If you can't point to a track in your prolific body of work, as an example, you're either full of it about the mic or your work. Blowing off the comment with a "turn on the TV" is worthless. Which show, music or dialog, foley, mixing, recording, sync, what? Give us non-doctors some substance. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 5, 2016 16:27:34 GMT -6
Hey DrBill to answer your fundamental question is v2 significantly better ? I tried v1 many times and always ended up ditching it, but that definitely didn't happen this time, as I put in each instance, it seemed to me my mix got better and it helped the mixing process: for me, that's a first !
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 5, 2016 16:33:33 GMT -6
I loved teenage mutant ninja turtles growing up and Wayne's world 2 was awesome..... oh wait this is a slate thread.... my bad
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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2016 16:41:21 GMT -6
jcoutu1 -
I'm not sure how you got so bent by my comments. I don't recall directing anything at you personally.... Perhaps VCC v.2 is dear to you and you felt I was dissing it? If so, sorry, that's totally cool with me. Just cause it doesn't work for me doesn't mean it's not a viable tool for you or someone else.
You say "give you some substance". I'm not sure what you actually MEAN by that, but aside from the time factors, there's a reason I don't post up clips. There are too many un-hinged people on GS and even here, and the abuse and stalking many of us who do this for a living have had to put up with in the past make it not worthwhile. I'll leave that to other brave souls. Also, clients are known to frequent as well, and it is not my intent to embarrass or single them out when the negativity starts to fly. I've given legit (at least legit for me, and since I would have to be the one doing the substantive clips, that's all that counts) many times. I'm sure you've read them. You're around these parts enough. You may disagree with my reasoning or think I'm "full of it" as you put it. That's AOK with me. If that is not legit enough for you, then feel free to discard my $.02 or block out my posts. My goal is not to convince you or anyone else of my opinion. I just enjoy throwing it out there like the rest of us. Inevitably, there are contrary opinions to mine - that's part and parcel with any creative endeavor. I try not to get all pissy about it. Hopefully you can do the same with me.
re: v.2 - I got an answer for my question, and for those who didn't get all butt hurt, and gave me legit opinions, I'm grateful. It has led me to believe that even with my doubts, given opportunity, I should give v.2 a shot.
re: Gefell - 692/xxx The clips are out there on one of the biggest, longest running threads on GS. Doesn't take much effort to find it. But....as wonderful and thankful for that shootout as so many people have been, I'll never do another because of the reasons stated above. Audio and music seems to galvanize people in strange ways.....
Cheers,
bp
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 5, 2016 17:02:40 GMT -6
The G series is probably the most "transparent" setting compared to the other emulations, probably followed by the E Series. That's probably why I typically prefer these two modes, especially for mix buss duties. It adds a nice cohesive feel to the mix, some nice separation, and "analog" depth without altering my mix / adding too many harmonics. The E series is kind of a happy median, and the one I use the most, as it adds a bit more tone and harmonics than the G, while still not drastically changing anything. I'll also use the same approach when applying the G and E series channel plugins to individual tracks. There are times when I'll throw the Neve emulation on (either the kick drum channel and/or drum buss) or the mix buss, and I'm like "damn I need to turn the kick down / tweak the EQ a bit", cause it definitely enhances the low mids. Nothing super drastic, but enough to be noticeable and have a slight impact on the mix... though more times than not it's in a nice way.
I also have VCC1, and to my ears, they did a much nicer job on VCC2. I didn't start using VCC regularly at all until VCC2 came out.
Any VCC2 users find anything they particularly love the RC Tube on? That, followed by the Trident emulation probably get used the least over here. I'll occasionally use the Trident setting for overheads, hi-hat spot tracks, and hand percussion.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2016 17:03:14 GMT -6
jcoutu1 - I'm not sure how you got so bent by my comments. I don't recall directing anything at you personally.... Perhaps VCC v.2 is dear to you and you felt I was dissing it? If so, sorry, that's totally cool with me. Just cause it doesn't work for me doesn't mean it's not a viable tool for you or someone else. You say "give you some substance". I'm not sure what you actually MEAN by that, but aside from the time factors, there's a reason I don't post up clips. There are too many un-hinged people on GS and even here, and the abuse and stalking many of us who do this for a living have had to put up with in the past make it not worthwhile. I'll leave that to other brave souls. Also, clients are known to frequent as well, and it is not my intent to embarrass or single them out when the negativity starts to fly. I've given legit (at least legit for me, and since I would have to be the one doing the substantive clips, that's all that counts) many times. I'm sure you've read them. You're around these parts enough. You may disagree with my reasoning or think I'm "full of it" as you put it. That's AOK with me. If that is not legit enough for you, then feel free to discard my $.02 or block out my posts. My goal is not to convince you or anyone else of my opinion. I just enjoy throwing it out there like the rest of us. Inevitably, there are contrary opinions to mine - that's part and parcel with any creative endeavor. I try not to get all pissy about it. Hopefully you can do the same with me. re: v.2 - I got an answer for my question, and for those who didn't get all butt hurt, and gave me legit opinions, I'm grateful. It has led me to believe that even with my doubts, given opportunity, I should give v.2 a shot. re: Gefell - 692/xxx The clips are out there on one of the biggest, longest running threads on GS. Doesn't take much effort to find it. But....as wonderful and thankful for that shootout as so many people have been, I'll never do another because of the reasons stated above. Audio and music seems to galvanize people in strange ways..... Cheers, bp Nah, couldn't care less about VCC. I didn't like V1, bailed on it right away and just tried V2 last week. Still unsure if it's worth the hassle though. As for the other stuff, I don't know anything about this stalking business. Maybe I'm just not a big enough name to encounter stuff like that. Never hear of guys stalking mix engineers. I've haven't seen the shootout that you speak about on GS. I've just seen a number of posts where you speak about certain pieces of hear with such high praise, I ask for an example, and get blown off. Literally, the only clip I've seen you share is the Joly mic spliced with the 84...and that's an ad. Also, I'm not trying to single you out, I get blowm off all the time by guys who praise gear, but won't post anything. You are just the most brazen about no posting with comments like "turn on the tv". I've got the Disney Channel on all the time. Love the Hot Dog song on Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Hope it's yours. |
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