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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 18, 2017 5:19:45 GMT -6
Zenn's in at $299 too:)
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 18, 2017 6:17:48 GMT -6
If they were in stock, I would have ordered another.
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Post by nick8801 on Jul 18, 2017 6:58:11 GMT -6
Generic stock photos used to illustrate a companies 'personable' credentials are typically a sign it is probably not... www.music-group.com/joinus/what-we-doThat aside, keep making music regardless. Haha! Those stock photos are amazing!
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Post by ericn on Jul 18, 2017 7:23:05 GMT -6
I don't think anybody is hand winding the inductors anymore, that said who says a custom winding machine couldn't do it and just as if not more consistently today? Who says it could? Robots can do a lot but they can't do everything. There are things robots can do that are extremely difficult for humans and things humans co do that are impossible for robots. Everybody I have ever talked to in the Buisness of winding inductors! Machines give you consistency that humans can't far lower reject rate!
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 18, 2017 7:57:02 GMT -6
If it doesn't sound magical its a waste of space
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Post by Guitar on Jul 18, 2017 8:06:46 GMT -6
We will find out... Won't we.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 18, 2017 8:07:54 GMT -6
If it doesn't sound magical its a waste of space I can't afford magical. I'll stick with decent sounding tools that get the results I need.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 18, 2017 8:23:00 GMT -6
If it doesn't sound magical its a waste of space I can't afford magical. I'll stick with decent sounding tools that get the results I need. Seems like you have some pretty magical things already though, just in my opinion. But yea, my post was regarding myself. The Klark Box might be fine for most people. But since Pultecs are my favorite type of equalizer, I don't see any point of using one that doesn't "wow" me. I would rather use a Cheap Plug in, which never wows me but always works fine. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 18, 2017 8:40:15 GMT -6
I can't afford magical. I'll stick with decent sounding tools that get the results I need. Seems like you have some pretty magical things already though, just in my opinion. But yea, my post was regarding myself. The Klark Box might be fine for most people. But since Pultecs are my favorite type of equalizer, I don't see any point of using one that doesn't "wow" me. I would rather use a Cheap Plug in, which never wows me but always works fine. Just my 2 cents. Which ones do you have? Which ones are your favorites? I'm curious what people are using in the best case scenario.. I saw that Pro Replicas one for about $900-1000 with the Sowter transformers, handwired, looks really nice. Realistically, I simply can't afford to spend that much on one channel of EQ. That's where KT comes in for me.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 18, 2017 8:54:08 GMT -6
Seems like you have some pretty magical things already though, just in my opinion. But yea, my post was regarding myself. The Klark Box might be fine for most people. But since Pultecs are my favorite type of equalizer, I don't see any point of using one that doesn't "wow" me. I would rather use a Cheap Plug in, which never wows me but always works fine. Just my 2 cents. Which ones do you have? Which ones are your favorites? I'm curious what people are using in the best case scenario.. I saw that Pro Replicas one for about $900-1000 with the Sowter transformers, handwired, looks really nice. Realistically, I simply can't afford to spend that much on one channel of EQ. That's where KT comes in for me. I have used more then I have purchased. Which at this moment is $0 worth. Likely because my favorites are the most costly ones and it takes a long time to save the money for such a lavish multiple-RU purchase. IMHO. I simply have a weird opinion, due to the fact they are my favorite "type" of equalizers. I guess I don't think of them as ordinary "tools" that are needed. I just don't want to use anything in the Pultec department that does not make me "harder than Chinese algebra"
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 18, 2017 9:06:40 GMT -6
Which ones do you have? Which ones are your favorites? I'm curious what people are using in the best case scenario.. I saw that Pro Replicas one for about $900-1000 with the Sowter transformers, handwired, looks really nice. Realistically, I simply can't afford to spend that much on one channel of EQ. That's where KT comes in for me. I have used more then I have purchased. Which at this moment is $0 worth. Likely because my favorites are the most costly ones and it takes a long time to save the money for such a lavish multiple-RU purchase. IMHO. I simply have a weird opinion, due to the fact they are my favorite "type" of equalizers. I guess I don't think of them as ordinary "tools" that are needed. I just don't want to use anything in the Pultec department that does not make me "harder than Chinese algebra" I had a Summit EQP-200 which I loved, but it developed some issues. I shipped it to Summit for repair, and USPS DESTROYED it. Since then, I've gotten the cheap Lindell 500 series (that I sold) and the DIYRE EQ's, but both are very limited. I haven't found a Pultec plugin that was as nice as the Summit. Now, for the price of a used single channel Warm, I'm getting a brand new pair with a 30 day return policy. I figure that for this price, it's worth a shot.
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Post by ericn on Jul 18, 2017 9:44:28 GMT -6
Which ones do you have? Which ones are your favorites? I'm curious what people are using in the best case scenario.. I saw that Pro Replicas one for about $900-1000 with the Sowter transformers, handwired, looks really nice. Realistically, I simply can't afford to spend that much on one channel of EQ. That's where KT comes in for me. I have used more then I have purchased. Which at this moment is $0 worth. Likely because my favorites are the most costly ones and it takes a long time to save the money for such a lavish multiple-RU purchase. IMHO. I simply have a weird opinion, due to the fact they are my favorite "type" of equalizers. I guess I don't think of them as ordinary "tools" that are needed. I just don't want to use anything in the Pultec department that does not make me "harder than Chinese algebra" Of course you do have a built in bias as a dealer for other products and while I respect DSPdoctor for not carrying any MusicGroup Brands, though we both know you have probably bought Product through Starin when needed for Bids. I find the passive aggressive attitude to a product you don't carry anything but respectable and why I avoid other sites where that is the standard practice. Yes I personally hold Dealers and Manufacturers to a different standard because they have financial interest directly involved! As a former representative of a far larger and influential dealer this behavior disgusts me and demonstrates why less and less people seam to have any respect for their gearpimp!
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 18, 2017 10:10:45 GMT -6
I have used more then I have purchased. Which at this moment is $0 worth. Likely because my favorites are the most costly ones and it takes a long time to save the money for such a lavish multiple-RU purchase. IMHO. I simply have a weird opinion, due to the fact they are my favorite "type" of equalizers. I guess I don't think of them as ordinary "tools" that are needed. I just don't want to use anything in the Pultec department that does not make me "harder than Chinese algebra" Of course you do have a built in bias as a dealer for other products and while I respect DSPdoctor for not carrying any MusicGroup Brands, though we both know you have probably bought Product through Starin when needed for Bids. I find the passive aggressive attitude to a product you don't carry anything but respectable and why I avoid other sites where that is the standard practice. Yes I personally hold Dealers and Manufacturers to a different standard because they have financial interest directly involved! As a former representative of a far larger and influential dealer this behavior disgusts me and demonstrates why less and less people seam to have any respect for their gearpimp! Hi Eric, Firstly, I should have stated that I haven't tried the unit, and would like to. I'm sure you may have taken my comment towards a negative light, perhaps that was a challenge. I was disappointed by the Warm Option. So maybe this one is better? Like i said, its gotta be magical to take up the RU space. I was posting on my own behalf, as you can see I do not reference any DSPdoctor tag line here, I was not trying to "pimp", just offer another opinion, staunch as it may seem. But yea, since I have been Selling Audio gear and also using it to make music with, I have had a chance to use many options. Many expensive ones that I wouldn't waste my time on either. I was simply making a point that everything in my studio has to "do it" for me, or it ins't worth the rack space. Im not sure what exactly has upset you, but perhaps we can start over. My name is Adam and my opinions here only reflect my 12 years of Audio Experience.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 18, 2017 10:18:21 GMT -6
A Pultec is a limited function EQ. A real Pultec has a definite sonic footprint separate from the EQ function, and the EQ inductor has it's own contribution.
Any decent parametric plug-in can recreate the curves of a Pultec.
We have a couple of things:
1) People like the self-limiting aspects of the Pultec function range. In many clones that's all we get, none of the sonic footprint of the real thing, and having modern tubes and transformers in it delivers only placebo effect.
2) The color box. Only available with originals or carefully curated recreations.
Do you need an EQ, or a sound, or both?
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Post by john on Jul 18, 2017 10:35:25 GMT -6
Those stock photos give a real PRESTIGE WORLDWIDE type of vibe...
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 18, 2017 11:40:17 GMT -6
Seems like you have some pretty magical things already though, just in my opinion. But yea, my post was regarding myself. The Klark Box might be fine for most people. But since Pultecs are my favorite type of equalizer, I don't see any point of using one that doesn't "wow" me. I would rather use a Cheap Plug in, which never wows me but always works fine. Just my 2 cents. Which ones do you have? Which ones are your favorites? I'm curious what people are using in the best case scenario.. I saw that Pro Replicas one for about $900-1000 with the Sowter transformers, handwired, looks really nice. Realistically, I simply can't afford to spend that much on one channel of EQ. That's where KT comes in for me. I emailed him the other day. It's around $1050 (depending on exchange rate at the time) plus international shipping for a single channel. Probably looking at over $2300 shipped for a pair. A good deal compared to original or Pulse, but far from $600 for a pair of the KT's. Then, the question becomes "is it worth the extra $1700?"
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Post by swurveman on Jul 18, 2017 12:52:32 GMT -6
A Pultec is a limited function EQ. A real Pultec has a definite sonic footprint separate from the EQ function, and the EQ inductor has it's own contribution. Any decent parametric plug-in can recreate the curves of a Pultec. We have a couple of things: 1) People like the self-limiting aspects of the Pultec function range. In many clones that's all we get, none of the sonic footprint of the real thing, and having modern tubes and transformers in it delivers only placebo effect. 2) The color box. Only available with originals or carefully curated recreations. Do you need an EQ, or a sound, or both? I was curious about this as well. Is this product nothing more than the equivalent of a Midas console EQ with Pultec EQ points and curves?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 18, 2017 13:05:55 GMT -6
A Pultec is a limited function EQ. A real Pultec has a definite sonic footprint separate from the EQ function, and the EQ inductor has it's own contribution. Any decent parametric plug-in can recreate the curves of a Pultec. We have a couple of things: 1) People like the self-limiting aspects of the Pultec function range. In many clones that's all we get, none of the sonic footprint of the real thing, and having modern tubes and transformers in it delivers only placebo effect. 2) The color box. Only available with originals or carefully curated recreations. Do you need an EQ, or a sound, or both? I was curious about this as well. Is this product nothing more than the equivalent of a Midas console EQ with Pultec EQ points and curves? No. This has tubes and transformers. The Midas console has neither.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 18, 2017 13:28:11 GMT -6
It's still the Pultec circuit. You miss my point. Think about it. Tubes and transformers don't make a Pultec. Neither does a copy of the specific EQ circuit at face value. Those things may do many/some of the things a Pultec does, but may be in effect no more a Pultec in sound than a Behringer Ultra-Q Pro (now discontinued!) set to the same curves.
Then, there's the fact that the Pultec was a budget (Behringer) item of it's era, costing a lot less than the standard EQ offerings of the day. They did what they do, for better and worse. They sold like, well, Mackie's because of it. And here we are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:42:40 GMT -6
I'm very interested to hear this when in stock.
I owned many years ago a very nice pair of the original 1a3 tube pultecs. I sold them a few years back as the price got so fever pitch (12-15k), i couldn't really justify keeping them around.
I also owned an EAR 822 pultec style eq which was more hifi, smoother than the original.
For the price, i don't see the Klark not being useable in a day to day situation on something. I got to a point with certain vintage units where i was very cautious and paranoid about having them turned on all day - tech time, extra costs and shipping damage / theft paranoia.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 18, 2017 14:43:03 GMT -6
Who says it could? Robots can do a lot but they can't do everything. There are things robots can do that are extremely difficult for humans and things humans co do that are impossible for robots. Everybody I have ever talked to in the Buisness of winding inductors! Machines give you consistency that humans can't far lower reject rate! Sure. But maybe that's why they can't make new ones that sound like the old ones. For example, it's a well known fact that one of the main reasons that new UA LA2As don't sound like the original Teletronix boxes is that the new UTC transformers aren't the same as the old ones. I've heard the same thing about inductors used in EQs. Mechanical consistancy is often achieved at the expense of subtlety.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 18, 2017 14:52:35 GMT -6
A Pultec is a limited function EQ. A real Pultec has a definite sonic footprint separate from the EQ function, and the EQ inductor has it's own contribution. Any decent parametric plug-in can recreate the curves of a Pultec. We have a couple of things: 1) People like the self-limiting aspects of the Pultec function range. In many clones that's all we get, none of the sonic footprint of the real thing, and having modern tubes and transformers in it delivers only placebo effect. 2) The color box. Only available with originals or carefully curated recreations. Do you need an EQ, or a sound, or both? What's the best mic that sounds like a U47 tube for under $300?
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 18, 2017 14:54:58 GMT -6
It's still the Pultec circuit. You miss my point. Think about it. Tubes and transformers don't make a Pultec. Neither does a copy of the specific EQ circuit at face value. Those things may do many/some of the things a Pultec does, but may be in effect no more a Pultec in sound than a Behringer Ultra-Q Pro (now discontinued!) set to the same curves. Then, there's the fact that the Pultec was a budget (Behringer) item of it's era, costing a lot less than the standard EQ offerings of the day. They did what they do, for better and worse. They sold like, well, Mackie's because of it. And here we are. Well, except that a Pultec, unlike Behringer, was an original design...
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Post by Guitar on Jul 18, 2017 14:57:34 GMT -6
A Pultec is a limited function EQ. A real Pultec has a definite sonic footprint separate from the EQ function, and the EQ inductor has it's own contribution. Any decent parametric plug-in can recreate the curves of a Pultec. We have a couple of things: 1) People like the self-limiting aspects of the Pultec function range. In many clones that's all we get, none of the sonic footprint of the real thing, and having modern tubes and transformers in it delivers only placebo effect. 2) The color box. Only available with originals or carefully curated recreations. Do you need an EQ, or a sound, or both? What's the best mic that sounds like a U47 tube for under $300? Probably the AT4047 by Audio Technica. Of course it's the FET // "inspired by" option. Or one of those Joly, Roswell, DIY mics with the chinese K47 capsules. In the case of the KT Pultec, it's a lot closer to the real thing, in terms of build quality and components. The point is not that they sound "as good as" but that they can work in a real working environment on similar things, whether or not they sound as "perfect." It's fun to live in an ideal world, but it's much more practical to live realistically. Face it we are not all Manny Marroquin or Frank Sinatra. Like Jesse said, tools that work and get the job done. I don't also have a Ferrari parked out front. It's a 2005 Ford Ranger. This is all rampant speculation until they ship, but I am placing my bet that it will sound pretty decent. We'll see.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 18, 2017 15:00:47 GMT -6
It's still the Pultec circuit. You miss my point. Think about it. Tubes and transformers don't make a Pultec. Neither does a copy of the specific EQ circuit at face value. Those things may do many/some of the things a Pultec does, but may be in effect no more a Pultec in sound than a Behringer Ultra-Q Pro (now discontinued!) set to the same curves. Then, there's the fact that the Pultec was a budget (Behringer) item of it's era, costing a lot less than the standard EQ offerings of the day. They did what they do, for better and worse. They sold like, well, Mackie's because of it. And here we are. And who knows, maybe it'll sound like the truumpets of a thousand angels.
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