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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 2, 2016 22:49:11 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Nov 2, 2016 23:09:48 GMT -6
That LOOKS bitchin'!!!!!!
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 2, 2016 23:18:02 GMT -6
That LOOKS bitchin'!!!!!! Hope it's not just another pretty face lol Hate to jump on the Behringer bashing train but well that are owned by !
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 2, 2016 23:18:38 GMT -6
They even copied warm 400 and 800 frequency add on so this tells me they are using the same factory or schematics, or the factory is making them warm esque with music group components... So this is what people mean when they say Behringer's reputation huh? Just saw a one man company like Warm gaining profit share then in like wal mart they come to buy the cow and rain on the parade haha How bout them Midas transformers Looks like the solid stage original pultec version, but the almost markered on logo looks ehhhh.. So how do they sound? Bet they ain't got sh*t on Reichenbach/ Jensen/ Cinemag family heritage that Warm uses....
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Post by jakeharris on Nov 3, 2016 0:43:03 GMT -6
Warm still has a ways to go before matching Midas or Klark-Teknik... whoever owns them.
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Post by wiz on Nov 3, 2016 1:40:09 GMT -6
Price?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 3, 2016 2:32:47 GMT -6
Warm still has a ways to go before matching Midas or Klark-Teknik... whoever owns them. That would be behringer I mean music group and I am speaking on the transformers not the overall sound or quality.... I have never heard of Midas or KT.... Warm Audio have heard about it for years... Im not in the live scene yet though... I mean do you know another pultec clone design that featured these additional frequencies before the War Audio eqp-wa?
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Post by Ward on Nov 3, 2016 5:47:25 GMT -6
Lovely stylized plate, standard chassis, simple ins and outs. But not much about the actual workings or pictures thereof.
Anyone know the MSRP or Street $$ ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 3, 2016 5:51:52 GMT -6
Warm still has a ways to go before matching Midas or Klark-Teknik... whoever owns them. That would be behringer I mean music group and I am speaking on the transformers not the overall sound or quality.... I have never heard of Midas or KT.... Warm Audio have heard about it for years... Im not in the live scene yet though... I mean do you know another pultec clone design that featured these additional frequencies before the War Audio eqp-wa? Midas and KT have been high end companies in the live world for a long time. Midas Consoles have been a live touring standard for years. Really top flight stuff.
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Post by jayson on Nov 3, 2016 6:38:41 GMT -6
Hmm... maybe the Behringer takeover has a silver lining.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 3, 2016 6:53:50 GMT -6
Warm still has a ways to go before matching Midas or Klark-Teknik... whoever owns them. That would be behringer I mean music group and I am speaking on the transformers not the overall sound or quality.... I have never heard of Midas or KT.... Warm Audio have heard about it for years... Im not in the live scene yet though... I mean do you know another pultec clone design that featured these additional frequencies before the War Audio eqp-wa? Chase, why you slappin' my baby?
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Post by kilroyrock on Nov 3, 2016 7:29:52 GMT -6
If given a choice i'll choose warm audio's version over KT any day if they're the same price point. The stickers on the transformers don't look generic like the GAP transformer stickers, and they say that magic word.. "England"..
Now a 400 dollar neve pre that includes EQ? That one is still out there to be grabbed. GAP is great with upgraded transformers, alctron does the same thing as gap, but I don't like them literally copying WA.
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2016 9:23:07 GMT -6
Have yet to see one of these new KT's as good as Music Group has been to Midas Turbo Lake $ Lab Gruppen, the New DDA series mixersare relabeled Behringer! I doubt Music Group has put the attention into parts as Bryce or Stam. The thing about Warm & Stam is they have put the effort to figure out where to put money into the piece to eek out the sound, Behringers Idea of quality parts has been find a cheap source put our label on it. At one time their was zero QC on Behringer , QC costs money!
If you think Stam is a pain to get products from go ask your dealer what it's like to Deal with Behringer.
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2016 9:23:18 GMT -6
Have yet to see one of these new KT's as good as Music Group has been to Midas Turbo Lake $ Lab Gruppen, the New DDA series mixersare relabeled Behringer! I doubt Music Group has put the attention into parts as Bryce or Stam. The thing about Warm & Stam is they have put the effort to figure out where to put money into the piece to eek out the sound, Behringers Idea of quality parts has been find a cheap source put our label on it. At one time their was zero QC on Behringer , QC costs money!
If you think Stam is a pain to get products from go ask your dealer what it's like to Deal with Behringer.
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 3, 2016 10:15:19 GMT -6
I used EAR (Esoteric Audio Research) Pultec tube EQ clones back in the 1980's. They even looked the same.
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Post by drbill on Nov 3, 2016 10:18:46 GMT -6
It cracks me up that it's OK, and even cherished for certain companies to "copy", but when others do it, they become Satan. LOL It's a free for all out there. Hopefully some designers will start looking to the future instead of the past.....
note : "copy" is merely code for "steal".
And as for my original thought, I think it looks really bitchin'!!!!
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Post by hasbeen on Nov 3, 2016 10:39:40 GMT -6
My experience with Music Group has been positive so far.
They have an eBay store and sell their own refurbished products at a deep discount.
All come with a 3 YEAR WARRANTY!!!!
I bought their XR18 Air which is pretty much a stage box that operates via tablet or laptop controlling a virtual mixer with processing and effects. 16 Midas preamps.
This thing has really impressed the hell outa me. Dead quiet and the effects are super lush.
Behringer name is turning around.
Can't find a price on this Pultec though...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 3, 2016 10:45:16 GMT -6
That would be behringer I mean music group and I am speaking on the transformers not the overall sound or quality.... I have never heard of Midas or KT.... Warm Audio have heard about it for years... Im not in the live scene yet though... I mean do you know another pultec clone design that featured these additional frequencies before the War Audio eqp-wa? Chase, why you slappin' my baby? Hey man I'm a little confused lol, and I would only slap your beautiful baby if you told me to Again, I'm not in live sound yet, I do know behringer is known for shady business tactics, I do not kno of any negative issues business wise or sound wise with Midas or KT... I just recently learned they were bought by behringer music group. I'm speaking in regards to the KT marketing / ads. KT makes a point to speak on the custom wound and designed Midas transformers and that's what I was asking about! Cinemag Transformers have a history and pedigree which started 3 generations ago and are known as high quality...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 3, 2016 10:52:58 GMT -6
It cracks me up that it's OK, and even cherished for certain companies to "copy", but when others do it, they become Satan. LOL It's a free for all out there. Hopefully some designers will start looking to the future instead of the past..... note : "copy" is merely code for "steal". And as for my original thought, I think it looks really bitchin'!!!! Hey Dr. Bill, how do you feel about clones or companies copying available products in the marketplace? I hope my wording in my first post didn't come across accusatory if KT. I am not mad or casting KT into the fire and brim stone by any means... Is there another pultec eqp -1a clone that features the 200,400,800 frequency points before the Warm Audio? I was stating a comparison and guessing about similar schematics or factories... The new Pulse Techniques Pultec is a clone and it costs $4000 The telefunken EA USA is $9000+ and is a clone.... it's not Warm or Music Group doing all the cloning I appreciate the competition that allows me to get quality HW at an amazing price
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Post by drbill on Nov 3, 2016 11:11:02 GMT -6
I just find the double standard amusing. We are OK with some companies literally copying existing designs, while we castigate other companies for doing the same. Ripping off is "OK" if it helps us get low cost products, but "not OK" if it starts to cut in on our fav company? Amusing - and certainly a bit hipocritical.... no? Where do we draw the line?
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Post by kilroyrock on Nov 3, 2016 11:57:25 GMT -6
I guess I'd draw the line at copying the copy, but even then, I only draw it to a certain price point. Below that I'm thankful I can afford one
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2016 11:57:49 GMT -6
I just find the double standard amusing. We are OK with some companies literally copying existing designs, while we castigate other companies for doing the same. Ripping off is "OK" if it helps us get low cost products, but "not OK" if it starts to cut in on our fav company? Amusing - and certainly a bit hipocritical.... no? Where do we draw the line? It's not the cloning it's how you do it !! I Hope The KT is as good as Stam and Warm, it's just the track record of its owners. Their is a difference between clone builders who are building products where all the intelligent property rights have expired, but in most cases the original builder had abandoned these products. comparing them to a Company who blatantly copies current products down to the original manufacturers markings on the PCB while Copyright and patents are in effect is a whole different ballgame! The fact that Behringer was never found or admitted guilt but always Settled in all legal actions makes them no less guilty!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 3, 2016 12:05:59 GMT -6
I just find the double standard amusing. We are OK with some companies literally copying existing designs, while we castigate other companies for doing the same. Ripping off is "OK" if it helps us get low cost products, but "not OK" if it starts to cut in on our fav company? Amusing - and certainly a bit hipocritical.... no? Where do we draw the line? When you say We, that means you and I If UA 1176 was in my budget I would own one... Alas, they are $2000 new and I can't afford that.. Therefore UA is not missing a sale by me purchasing a warm audio clone. If the WA76 wasn't available then I would buy a Hairball or KT1176 or maybe stick with ITB until I can afford the real HW...Im sorry if i castrated you or a company you like, not my intention at all and I am not trying to be a hypocrite or instigate! What about copying/ using circuits that are available on market today? How many designs are even 100% original? It seems to me lots of gear uses older designs and circuits as building blocks...Everyone loves the distressor, did that unit face a back lash when brought to market ?
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Post by drbill on Nov 3, 2016 12:08:01 GMT -6
This is a very slippery slope......careful boys........
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Post by jakeharris on Nov 3, 2016 18:23:27 GMT -6
Warm still has a ways to go before matching Midas or Klark-Teknik... whoever owns them. That would be behringer I mean music group and I am speaking on the transformers not the overall sound or quality.... I have never heard of Midas or KT.... Warm Audio have heard about it for years... Im not in the live scene yet though... I mean do you know another pultec clone design that featured these additional frequencies before the War Audio eqp-wa? Midas and KT must be around 50-years old... Warm Audio, barely 5? Plus, these takeovers happened ages ago. Anyway, Warm Audio doesn't have a monopoly on cheap Chinese labour, or UA/Pultec clones. There's been dozens of companies doing it before them, and dozens more still to come... (those extra filter points don't count as innovation = no patent)
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