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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 14, 2017 22:01:19 GMT -6
Embarrassingly, this is the first time I've opened up this thread...still haven't read it. What's the 24 page draw for a Pultec?
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Post by ericn on Aug 14, 2017 22:02:30 GMT -6
If someone ripped off a Behringer product, do you think they would get sued? Brad If a Behringer product falls in the forest...does a Chinese worker get his wings? He gets them Clipped ๐ช
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Post by EmRR on Aug 14, 2017 22:03:04 GMT -6
Embarrassingly, this is the first time I've opened up this thread...still haven't read it. What's the 24 page draw for a Pultec? Run away! Fast as you can!
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Post by ericn on Aug 14, 2017 22:04:42 GMT -6
Embarrassingly, this is the first time I've opened up this thread...still haven't read it. What's the 24 page draw for a Pultec? It's cheap and it appears it doesn't suck! Behringer evil but so is everybody body else It's now really cheap and still doesn't suck ! There's the cliff note version!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 14, 2017 22:05:10 GMT -6
So - better than the warm?
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Post by drbill on Aug 14, 2017 22:08:01 GMT -6
Embarrassingly, this is the first time I've opened up this thread...still haven't read it. What's the 24 page draw for a Pultec? $299, looks totally cool, and (argueably, but by most accounts) sounds better than the Warm with no tax, free shipping. Bought a pair, got one. Blown away by how good it sounds. Replace the tubes and it will get it even better. Significantly better than any of my Pultec plugs. (Can't afford a real Pultec.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 3:22:49 GMT -6
"arguably better" whatever that means, but endorsed by drbill - that's a heavy hitter behind them. Lets hope KT don't turn their attention on too many other smaller manufacturers ....
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Post by ericn on Aug 15, 2017 7:04:02 GMT -6
So - better than the warm? Cheaper & different, to many cheaper out weighs all some not so much!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 15, 2017 7:18:39 GMT -6
I trust Warm Audio more.
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Post by jin167 on Aug 15, 2017 8:18:08 GMT -6
Only good thing about warm audio is that they have a great customer support. Nothing more. Decided to stay away from anything they make after using their 1176 clone. Horrible experience.
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Post by drbill on Aug 15, 2017 9:15:48 GMT -6
"arguably better" whatever that means, but endorsed by drbill - that's a heavy hitter behind them. Lets hope KT don't turn their attention on too many other smaller manufacturers .... To be clear, I don't have a warm EQP and haven't heard them. Several folks have both and have weighed in on the differences, and I'm just repeating what they told me - that's why I said "arguably". Take it with a grain of salt. As far as "endorsed", I'm not endorsing the KT EQP or endorsed by KT. I have no association with them at all. I just like mine!! I think it sounds great. Not like a vintage unit, but really good nonetheless. Might be better suited to some tasks than a vintage. It certainly does the "Pultec thing" better than any of my plugins. That's a win for me.
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Post by ragan on Aug 15, 2017 9:31:14 GMT -6
About half the comments I've seen were from people listening to clips online I think. I've only seen one or two posters on GS that have them both. But yeah at least a commenter or two preferred the KT. Who knows. I don't think anyone could argue the KT isn't worth $299 though. That's just dirt cheap. And I have no doubt whatsoever that it smokes a plugin. Then again so do my Ramsa EQs, and I got 12 of them for $50 And the Orban, that thing rules. I guess I just like even cheap hardware better than plugin modeling.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 15, 2017 10:21:12 GMT -6
At least with hardware you get a more visceral artifact shift with processing. I remember DAW EQ's driving me nuts at first because I couldn't hear any significant change, and gradually realized I was listening for the artifact movement of the hardware I'd been using; 'twas missing.....
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Post by Ward on Aug 15, 2017 10:51:42 GMT -6
Now, everyone's clear on what the 'Pultec thing' is, right?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 15, 2017 11:15:17 GMT -6
Ppl are buying for price only ... if they were the same price as warm no one would think they sound better or equal .... Cheers
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Post by BradM on Aug 15, 2017 12:08:23 GMT -6
Embarrassingly, this is the first time I've opened up this thread...still haven't read it. What's the 24 page draw for a Pultec? Here's my quick summary for you: - It sounds great and is fun to use compared to a Pultec plugin. - It looks fantastic and has excellent mechanical build quality. - Swap tubes for an easy tonal balance improvement. - The high frequency boost curves do not match the vintage Pultec curves (Q is wrong) because they did not use the correct 6-tap inductor. They only used 4 taps like their competitor that they may have been trying to copy. Brad
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Post by jakeharris on Aug 15, 2017 16:25:10 GMT -6
Ppl are buying for price only ... if they were the same price as warm no one would think they sound better or equal .... Cheers They did find it better or equal with the KT-1176, at the same price. Why would this be any different?
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Post by Guitar on Aug 15, 2017 17:05:15 GMT -6
Ppl are buying for price only ... if they were the same price as warm no one would think they sound better or equal .... Cheers They did find it better or equal with the KT-1176, at the same price. Why would this be any different? Comments with no experience behind them will be regarded as such. As always, haha. What do you call it, armchair quarterback?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 15, 2017 18:45:58 GMT -6
They did find it better or equal with the KT-1176, at the same price. Why would this be any different? Comments with no experience behind them will be regarded as such. ย As always, haha. ย What do you call it, armchair quarterback? Oh yeah, that's right my opinion is invalid cuz I don't have one or have used one ๐๐๐ Just exactly how many KT tube eq 's have you used thus far? And how many warm? And how many KT would you buy if they were the same price as warm tube eq? Exactly ... so please explain where your expertise and experience of this KT unit comes from? Aside from purchasing the units, and reading Brad's graphs, as well as Dr bill, Barry Johns, and Nutra?'s feedback please explain... then explain why my opinion of ppl purchasing based on price has any relevance to owning or using a unit? And you purchased this unit based on its sound how ? Internet clips ? Audio files? A buddy down the street happened to snag a pair? I believe you purchased based on price, seeing what they were priced at ( arbitrary pricing of new product ) the oh look now they are $299 which makes one think oh look this item price is $300 off ( or whatever ) so you automatically think you are gaining something due to the price drop! If the unit was successful at its msrp why drop it to $299 if you can't keep up with production cuz they are flying off the shelves at msrp or a little off msrp price ... I highly believe they are making a great profit still at $299 maybe I am uneducated or naive in component pricing...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 15, 2017 18:49:31 GMT -6
Ppl are buying for price only ... if they were the same price as warm no one would think they sound better or equal .... Cheers They did find it better or equal with the KT-1176, at the same price. Why would this be any different? Focus please we are speaking about KT eq not 1176 ... I have seen exactly one person compare both and in his examples the plugs and hardware sounded extreme pushed and was probably clipping.. not enough for me to judge any gear on and again this is my opinion.. If the KT tube eq was the same price as the warm how many are running out to purchase? I would wager 1/5 if sales to 1/8 of sales ... what do you think ?
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Post by Guitar on Aug 15, 2017 18:54:30 GMT -6
Comments with no experience behind them will be regarded as such. As always, haha. What do you call it, armchair quarterback? Oh yeah, that's right my opinion is invalid cuz I don't have one or have used one ๐๐๐ Just exactly how many KT tube eq 's have you used thus far? And how many warm? And how many KT would you buy if they were the same price as warm tube eq? Exactly ... so please explain where your expertise and experience of this KT unit comes from? Aside from purchasing the units, and reading Brad's graphs, as well as Dr bill, Barry Johns, and Nutra?'s feedback please explain... then explain why my opinion of ppl purchasing based on price has any relevance to owning or using a unit? The answer is zero, same as yours. We will see. You are corrrect that price is relevant. But I read your post as a derogatory connotation of price. What if the KT is better than the warm "as some have said?" I'd rather not dwell on it too much, until they are in more peoples' hands. If I have misunderstood you, I apologize. It is just that people often use price tag as a weapon against certain gear and its quality. I personally like to ignore that and instead ask, "is it good or not?"
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 15, 2017 19:10:25 GMT -6
Oh yeah, that's right my opinion is invalid cuz I don't have one or have used one ๐๐๐ Just exactly how many KT tube eq 's have you used thus far? And how many warm? And how many KT would you buy if they were the same price as warm tube eq? Exactly ... so please explain where your expertise and experience of this KT unit comes from? Aside from purchasing the units, and reading Brad's graphs, as well as Dr bill, Barry Johns, and Nutra?'s feedback please explain... then explain why my opinion of ppl purchasing based on price has any relevance to owning or using a unit? The answer is zero, same as yours. ย We will see. You are corrrect that price is relevant. ย But I read your post as a derogatory connotation of price. ย What if the KT is better than the warm "as some have said?" ย I'd rather not dwell on it too much, until they are in more peoples' hands. Well I added more to my original post where I quoted you. I asked a question with no type of negativity.. if the KT was priced as the warm how many are running out to get the new unit? And at the same price this levels the playing field and focuses on what maters which is the sound. All reviews have not been positive either, in fact testing revealed shortcuts in both units.. I truly hope you enjoy your new units and I hope they make/ inspire kick ass recordings. I have no dog in this race and wouldn't care if the KT tube eq sounded better than a pulse technique unit. Just only opinion but apparently mine is irrelevant and I'm an armchair quarterback ๐คฆโโ๏ธ Cheers I'm out
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Post by Guitar on Aug 15, 2017 19:19:18 GMT -6
The answer is zero, same as yours. We will see. You are corrrect that price is relevant. But I read your post as a derogatory connotation of price. What if the KT is better than the warm "as some have said?" I'd rather not dwell on it too much, until they are in more peoples' hands. Well I added more to my original post where I quoted you. I asked a question with no type of negativity.. if the KT was priced as the warm how many are running out to get the new unit? And at the same price this levels the playing field and focuses on what maters which is the sound. All reviews have not been positive either, in fact testing revealed shortcuts in both units.. I truly hope you enjoy your new units and I hope they make/ inspire kick ass recordings. I have no dog in this race and wouldn't care if the KT tube eq sounded better than a pulse technique unit. Just only opinion but apparently mine is irrelevant and I'm an armchair quarterback ๐คฆโโ๏ธ Cheers I'm out Well to me low price is a "VERY GOOD THING" whereas for some traditionally minded people with better wallets it's more of a "suspicious thing." That is just where I am coming from right now. I don't have any top 40 hits or charted albums. I don't even own my own house. This is a big influence on my worldview of gear. I don't see Warm Audio or Klark Teknik as being any worse or better than the other from a broad perspective. The simple fact that the KT gear is in my price range and the Warm is not makes a very important value proposition on my end: I can actually buy one or two of them. I know it seems outrageous but I am seeking a "pro" level of quality on a shoestring budget. That is where I am coming from. And to be perfectly honest. I don't even mix that much with hardware. Most of my releasable mixes are 100% in the box. With a small fraction of them, maybe 1 out of 10 having some hardware involved during mix time. Which pushes the value aspect even harder for me. I am competing with the price of UAD plugins on sale, ETC. So the 2x EQP-KT I have on order is a hobby purchase as much as anything else. I've got no dog in the game either, other than $600 bones for a shot at a good time. I am interested in the mechanical and electrical components of these types of thing so this will give me something to 'mess with' in that realm as well. At the very least, they will look good in the rack, if I find them good enough to keep around. Which is still up in the air, but I wouldn't buy them at all if I didn't think they deserved a chance. Anyway here's a happy emoticon
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Post by jakeharris on Aug 16, 2017 10:36:34 GMT -6
You said no-one would think it's equal or better. Statements built on absolutes, they're usually wrong
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 10:48:56 GMT -6
is this the adult section of the thread?
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