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Post by ericn on Oct 17, 2016 16:45:04 GMT -6
Hi thanks ! I already wrote to Shannon to know if his 251 body tube is an exact replica of the original mic. I'm waiting for his answer, but as a first step I prefer the Upton body and swivel mount that seems fit my Telefunken USA parts. Best, M Tolerance is everything in machining. If you care about the finished result, the only way to accomplish what you need is to send your existing parts to someone, have them measure everything, and then produce custom matching parts. I agree with Jake if you want it to fit and look right buying all the mechanicals from a single source is the way to go!
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 17, 2016 18:37:27 GMT -6
Hi All ! I'm Matteo from France, this is my first post here, my english is not the best, please be indulgent ! We are working on an Telefunken Ela M 251 mic build with original/vintage parts (see picture) : - Original AKG CK12 brass capsule - Nos Nib Telefunken AC701k tube - Original Nos Haufe T14/1 transformer - Telefunken USA reissue headbasket and lower chrome ring (bought 8 years ago @ TFK USA when it was still possible) - Aputis 251 capsule holder from GroupDIY We're actually searching an option for the body tube, some mechanical inside parts and output connector/swivel mount. I wrote several mails to Dallas @ Upton microphones whithout any reply. Do you know If Dallas can sell the Upton 251 body and some mechanical parts ? Maybe a RGO member have already buy from him and have some informations to share ? Your help would be greatly appreciated ! Thanks, Matteo Good looking head basket.
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Post by datapanik on Oct 18, 2016 4:02:47 GMT -6
What does a real Akg nos c12 cost? Are there any even new old stock capsules that are NEW? Wouldn't they have been all employed in ,12/ 251? That's a beauty of a build you are starting datapanik cheers and welcome also call Dallas like the other person did on this thread Hi ChaseUTB ! We have this CK12 capsule in stock for about 10 years, I bought many parts and components from the audio maintenance service of the exORTF in France. To my knowledge there is absolutely no stock for nos CK12. We try to call Dallas this week, I'll let you know, thanks ! Matteo
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Post by datapanik on Oct 18, 2016 4:14:51 GMT -6
Aputis has a 251 body in the pipeline. Don't know when, though. Hi avgatzeblouz ! Yes I already talk with Andrew / Aputis and I sent him all the measures of an original 251. I need to send him also my headbasket and lower chrome ring from TFK USA but he is pretty busy right now with the M49 body project. In this topic you write that you had Dallas on the phone for the same reason, then is it selling body and mechanical parts ? Looking forward to read from you, thanks ! Matteo
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Post by Ward on Oct 18, 2016 15:42:42 GMT -6
OK, datapanik not only do have some interesting posts, but you win the prize for palest skin ever! And just in time for All Hallow's Eve too!
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Post by ericn on Oct 18, 2016 16:38:05 GMT -6
OK, datapanik not only do have some interesting posts, but you win the prize for palest skin ever! And just in time for All Hallow's Eve too! Hay now you have to admit I'm booth the lightest and one of the darkest skinned people on here or anywhere for that matter depending on what graph your looking at !😎 In fact I cover all skin tones except orange 😡!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 18, 2016 16:44:49 GMT -6
OK, datapanik not only do have some interesting posts, but you win the prize for palest skin ever! And just in time for All Hallow's Eve too! I'm calling rasism on this post just because I'm uber sensitive of being called a cracker. Shame on thou, Ward
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Post by ericn on Oct 18, 2016 17:16:26 GMT -6
OK, datapanik not only do have some interesting posts, but you win the prize for palest skin ever! And just in time for All Hallow's Eve too! I'm calling rasism on this post just because I'm uber sensitive of being called a cracker. Shame on thou, Ward With a name like Cowboycoalminer a cracker? I'm shocked truelly shocked I tell you😄
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 18, 2016 17:30:26 GMT -6
I thought the donald had orange covered anyway ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2016 17:32:30 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2016 17:48:25 GMT -6
OK, datapanik not only do have some interesting posts, but you win the prize for palest skin ever! And just in time for All Hallow's Eve too! Hay now you have to admit I'm booth the lightest and one of the darkest skinned people on here or anywhere for that matter depending on what graph your looking at !😎 In fact I cover all skin tones except orange 😡! Why is your profile pic still sideways after all these years?!?!
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Post by reddirt on Oct 18, 2016 17:49:01 GMT -6
Wow, with the CK12 , 701 and transformer you have the golden ducks all in a row; should be as good as it can get you would think. Congrats. Cheers, Ross
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Post by Ward on Oct 18, 2016 18:18:10 GMT -6
NVMD
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Post by ericn on Oct 18, 2016 18:31:59 GMT -6
Hay now you have to admit I'm booth the lightest and one of the darkest skinned people on here or anywhere for that matter depending on what graph your looking at !😎 In fact I cover all skin tones except orange 😡! Why is your profile pic still sideways after all these years?!?! I dare to be different!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 18, 2016 19:51:51 GMT -6
Why is your profile pic still sideways after all these years?!?! I dare to be different!
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Post by datapanik on Oct 19, 2016 3:11:45 GMT -6
After exposure to UV lights
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Post by Ward on Oct 19, 2016 10:01:29 GMT -6
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Post by Guitar on Dec 17, 2016 18:43:03 GMT -6
I'm a little late to this thread, but congratulations on the Upton Johnkenn sounds amazing on your voice. I prefer the GE tubes over the Electro Harmonix in three of my mics, but then again I've not tried an Upton. Maybe I should get the EH back out for some testing in my DIY 251 to see if it tames some of that brightness. I just like the mids on the GE tubes. In my experience with the 251 style I would agree that they come across very bright with no mixing. You can leave the top end alone in the mix and it's already there. No boosting like you would need with a darker mic. In fact boosting my personal 251 sounds like too much on the top so I am learning to leave it alone. My favorite thing about the 251 style of mic is the way it represents the fundamental pitch of the voice. It makes it sound very steady and confident, almost like an auto-tune effect. Really drives home the movement of the voice in the musical scale. I just love the clarity of the midrange and the bright top also. I am glad that a lot of builders are coming back to this design, I think it has a lot of very special attributes, as evidenced in this thread.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2016 20:10:55 GMT -6
. My favorite thing about the 251 style of mic is the way it represents the fundamental pitch of the voice. It makes it sound very steady and confident, almost like an auto-tune effect. Really drives home the movement of the voice in the musical scale. I just love the clarity of the midrange and the bright top also. YES! I think you're referring the "reedy" quality I talk about. That kind of buzziness
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Post by hasbeen on Dec 22, 2016 14:30:42 GMT -6
I prefer the GE tubes over the Electro Harmonix in three of my mics, but then again I've not tried an Upton. Maybe I should get the EH back out for some testing in my DIY 251 to see if it tames some of that brightness. I just like the mids on the GE tubes. I also prefer the GE tubes. I found a very nice 5 Star GL-6072 for my Upton. Dallas sent an EH but I have to agree about the GE and mids. I would say that the GE represents all of the frequencies in a pleasant way while my EH tube seems a bit more bottom heavy. I have been using the Upton quite a bit. Sounds big on drums with my U47, Glyn Johns style.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2016 21:05:53 GMT -6
Think I'm gonna get a GE 6072 to try out
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 2, 2017 10:41:00 GMT -6
I'm a little late to this thread. The Upton sounds great. I'm curious if anyone has had an Upton 251 up against a Bock 251. Soundpure has a shootout with the Upton, Tele, Bock, and an M149, but this guy's voice is so specific it's hard for me to really make a judgement call from it. Also, as someone on this thread has already said, you really need to work with each microphone a bit to really learn it. Admittedly, after reading through this thread I went down to the studio to play around with my Advanced Audio CM251. I'm not claiming it's in the same league as the Upton, but it's the closest I have (and I prefer it to the VMS emulation by a lot. That big low end is just not in that emulation). I forgot what a great sound it has on male vocals. It's my wife's mic and I usually only use it on the female Broadway style singers who come to record here. Mostly talented friends of mine. My sister also sounds dynamite on it. She sings jazz/blues predominantly. Now that I have my MK U67 I want figure out my real deal 251... and then decide what criminal act I will pull off to pay for it. LOL. Soundpure Shootout: Results: A = Upton 251 B = Telefunken 251 E C = Neumann M149 D = Bock 251 Processing Serpent Audio Chimera - MAX 4 dB Gain Reduction Sound Toys Echo Boy Delay Bricasti M7 Reverb High Quality Files: drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6OazoTdG0WuaEJ4MDlkdElWMWs?usp=sharing
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Post by aremos on Mar 2, 2017 12:30:43 GMT -6
"...but this guy's voice is so specific it's hard for me to really make a judgement call from it." Very diplomatic. Don't really like these tests &, as stated, the only useful way for me to judge it would be in my environment. But in this "shoot-out" one thing is obvious: the Upton (A) is the only one that seems to tame & "balance" the vox.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 2, 2017 12:51:42 GMT -6
"...but this guy's voice is so specific it's hard for me to really make a judgement call from it." Very diplomatic. Don't really like these tests &, as stated, the only useful way for me to judge it would be in my environment. But in this "shoot-out" one thing is obvious: the Upton (A) is the only one that seems to tame & "balance" the vox. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the 251's sounded fairly similar to each other. I'm not hearing anything obvious about one over the other. I think the Bock has a tad more smoothness/thickness to it as compared to the Upton and Telefunken. But, I mean they are all very much a 251.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 2, 2017 12:52:52 GMT -6
...and yeah. I wish they would've put more "effort" into this comparison.
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