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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 8, 2016 23:22:11 GMT -6
I heard that jsteiger has something coming out for hybrid automation for analog consoles? Any one got some info on that? |
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Post by rocinante on Feb 9, 2016 2:47:59 GMT -6
I was just gonna ask the same thing.
Eight fader packs it seems that have hui control, recall, and automation all via vca I believe. So far hes got it working with pt but Iguess he pplans to make it universal. I am on this. I have been waiting for something like this forever.
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Post by keymod on Feb 9, 2016 4:55:43 GMT -6
Wow, DIY also??
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Post by rocinante on Feb 9, 2016 8:53:34 GMT -6
Yeah. Its for retrofitting consoles.
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Post by rob61 on Feb 9, 2016 9:19:01 GMT -6
He has videos of it in action on his FB page. Basically, its a retrofit moving fader system for consoles that integrates (reads and writes) automation in your DAW. It will have 2048 levels of resolution.
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Post by noah shain on Feb 9, 2016 10:35:27 GMT -6
I just puked
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2016 10:59:07 GMT -6
Ya the fb video is cool cus you see the automation line in the daw track ( drop and rise: inverted triangle) and see a gui of the fader moving and hear the music: definitely works.
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Post by sean on Feb 9, 2016 11:16:04 GMT -6
Sounds awesome. Really looking forward to the LC26 and LC40 as well
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 9, 2016 11:36:37 GMT -6
Ya the fb video is cool cus you see the automation line in the daw track ( drop and rise: inverted triangle) and see a gui of the fader moving and hear the music: definitely works. Jeff Steiger is my F-ing HERO! haha, can you link the vid please? Please tell me this is a case where the audio IS passing through the fader? I've been working off/on my own DIY HUI analog fader automation for about 6 months, i would love to stop and utilize jeffs as it's a royal PITA, and his is certain to be better than mine, i already own 32 motorized alps/P&G faders for my console 8) |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 9, 2016 13:24:03 GMT -6
This is the best news I've heard in a while!! Can't wait for the details. Pretty sure I'll end up wanting 32 for my neotek, plus another 8 if you can do stereo channels!! Although probably have to space it out a bit.....
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Post by rob61 on Feb 9, 2016 13:30:44 GMT -6
Ya the fb video is cool cus you see the automation line in the daw track ( drop and rise: inverted triangle) and see a gui of the fader moving and hear the music: definitely works. Jeff Steiger is my F-ing HERO! haha, can you link the vid please? Please tell me this is a case where the audio IS passing through the fader? I've been working off/on my own DIY HUI analog fader automation for about 6 months, i would love to stop and utilize jeffs as it's a royal PITA, and his is certain to be better than mine, i already own 32 motorized alps/P&G faders for my console 8) As I understand, since its moving fader, the plan is to simply use the VCAs in your console. Obviously there will be fitting issues with the moving faders, but if they fit, you should be good and it will simply use the console VCAs. I think he will have outboard VCAs that can be inserted too for those that need that. This is only information that I've gotten from reading the threads on his FB page, so take this with a bit of caution. Best asking the MAN himself. |
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Post by svart on Feb 9, 2016 16:54:38 GMT -6
I can't wait.
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Post by jsteiger on Feb 9, 2016 20:28:04 GMT -6
Hey guys, sorry for not popping in earlier. I had to get all of my open orders shipped today since I'm having a small outpatient surgery tomorrow morning.  Just a laparoscopic hernia repair. Should not be a big deal. So, yes I have been busy. Actually its not me. This is mostly all above my pay grade. I am however lucky enough to be involved with some heavy hitter geniuses! Seriously, these guys have worked with some of the largest console manufactures in the world and have clearly made analog/digital/software integration their bitch. The project was started nearly 2 years ago and things have gone well and came a long way in that time. We call it DAWtomation™. Its an analog level control system that is run by a DAW. At present, it will run in ProTools, Logic and Nuendo. The system has many different uses and tiers. All are based around a high quality 8 channel VCA (THAT 2180) board that communicates with a DAW. Level and mute automation moves can be written to your session file and will be carried out during playback. Level controls are made ONLY in the analog domain POST outboard gear so fader moves do not mess with your outboard! The system runs on its own proprietary plugin. Connections from the DAW to the VCA board are via USB or Thunderbolt. This is not a HUI system. On a 32 bit system the resolution is 1024 steps. On a 64 bit system it is 2048. The first product release will be the 8 channel VCA board and the software plugin. The VCA boards will be fully assembled only. When you see them, you will know why. This board can be used in place of a fader or potentiometer gain control so high quality mute/level automation can be added to summing mixers or other DIY projects. You simply wire it in like a pot. 3 wires per channel. Along with that release will be a balanced analog insert based automation system. A simple box with 16 inputs and 16 outputs. This box will house the VCA circuitry which will be parked between a INA137 and a DRV134. Clean and sonically invisible. These will also be fully assembled. A clever DIY guy could easily build an all discrete version of the same thing  The second product release will be a motorized moving fader system that can be used with nearly any analog mixing console. The faders will (most likely) be TKD motorized faders in a facia along with the 4 typical pushbutton switches for Mute, Read (safe), Write and Latch (update). These are the same controls that will be on the final version of the GUI. The plugin will fully interact with the physical fader and vice versa. In the long run, this will most likely be the easiest and most economical way for folks to upgrade their old MCI's, Studer's etc etc. The third product release will be interactive linking to SSL's moving fader automation. The existing faders on your old SSL desk will read and write level/mute automation that will be stored in your DAW session file. This will require a daughter driver board along with the main 8 channel VCA board. In this situation, the VCA's will not be populated but that is where the daughterboard will connect. Other old automation systems may be supported in the future but time will tell on that. Integration with FlyFaders can be achieved but it may be less expensive in the long run to just replace the faders with our moving faders. As of now, we are nearing the end of R&D. My colleague is off to England for the final push. Soon we shall see an updated and more finalized GUI as well as some new faders that actually move! Following are a few videos that we took over the weekend. We had the VCA box connected to the insert point of an SSL console so the full level audio was never changed within the DAW. Keep in mind, this is a fast a dirty GUI that was written just for prelim testing. Vid 1 is a pass while writing level control. This was done with a mouse. www.capi-gear.com/catalog/images/gallery/DAWtomation/IMG_0434.MOVVid 2 is playback of what was written in vid 1: www.capi-gear.com/catalog/images/gallery/DAWtomation/IMG_0435.MOVVid 3 is showing that the audio coming from ProTools into the SSL channels is always at full level despite what you hear. The level control is done fully in the analog domain. www.capi-gear.com/catalog/images/gallery/DAWtomation/IMG_0436.MOVAs of now, we have no fixed release date. We also have no firm pricing but rest assured, you may gasp when you find out just how reasonable it is!! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 9, 2016 22:18:23 GMT -6
man that is exciting! It was the biggest concern I had moving OTB, i'll eventually show you what i came up with, it's HUI and pretty low reso in comparison no doubt.
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Post by rocinante on Feb 10, 2016 1:32:07 GMT -6
This is just great news.
I have a bunch of questions but I know its still a ways off and they'll probably be answered relatively soon anyways.
This is one of the biggest problems with being otb obviously and the hybrid system I've had to come up with to keep up is somewhat cumbersome (I use an artist mix in front of my console)
I had even considered grabbing a dm4800 or an 02r96 to make my life easier but with this the possibilities have just opened up.
Hi-5 to you.
Tony what is it you have?
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Post by mhep on Feb 10, 2016 1:45:25 GMT -6
Very interested.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2016 10:27:02 GMT -6
This is just great news. I have a bunch of questions but I know its still a ways off and they'll probably be answered relatively soon anyways. This is one of the biggest problems with being otb obviously and the hybrid system I've had to come up with to keep up is somewhat cumbersome (I use an artist mix in front of my console) I had even considered grabbing a dm4800 or an 02r96 to make my life easier but with this the possibilities have just opened up. Hi-5 to you. Tony what is it you have? a frankenstein monster of HUI, digital moving fader/analog hybrid with low resolution haha, Jeff's design will no doubt put my effort to bed, i'm hoping i can still utilize my rather expensive motorized faders.... |
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Post by keymod on Feb 10, 2016 11:31:18 GMT -6
Since the levels are set via VCA, would it be possible to use your software and VCA board with an existing motorized Controller such as a Mackie, etc?
That might make it a CAPI version of a Summation.
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Post by noah shain on Feb 10, 2016 12:10:34 GMT -6
Consider me an eager candidate to fit 16 moving faders in to a newer console (which brand you know) jsteiger ! I'll have to remove all logos from it soon and replace with CAPI branding. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 10, 2016 12:18:15 GMT -6
Consider me an eager candidate to fit 16 moving faders in to a newer console (which brand you know) jsteiger ! I'll have to remove all logos from it soon and replace with CAPI branding. That I want to see! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2016 12:47:53 GMT -6
Consider me an eager candidate to fit 16 moving faders in to a newer console (which brand you know) jsteiger ! I'll have to remove all logos from it soon and replace with CAPI branding. CAPI knobs too! |
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Post by ericn on Feb 10, 2016 13:04:21 GMT -6
I am so into this, but, as a couple of guys who had an almost ready for market system realized a couple of years ago told me " the expensive part of console automation is support."
Man I want this to work!
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Post by noah shain on Feb 10, 2016 13:22:27 GMT -6
Consider me an eager candidate to fit 16 moving faders in to a newer console (which brand you know) jsteiger ! I'll have to remove all logos from it soon and replace with CAPI branding. CAPI knobs too! Quite a few of these on it already! Including the LC53 build I botched...just a nice warm buzzzzzzzxzz. |
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Post by rocinante on Feb 10, 2016 18:26:41 GMT -6
I am so into this, but, as a couple of guys who had an almost ready for market system realized a couple of years ago told me " the expensive part of console automation is support." Man I want this to work! Man I hear you. I chased this dragon with a few others several years ago and in the end all I got was a damn t shirt and a head full of numbers. Getting one console to work is hard. Building a universally appkicable automated controller; is infathomably hard. Audio software and hardware integration is a finicky complex and relatively expensive mess that I won't pretend to understand. I so want this to work too. |
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Post by krcwell on Feb 10, 2016 21:13:11 GMT -6
Wow. CAPI already eats up enough of my yearly income as is. You're a damn crack dealer.
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Just a laparoscopic hernia repair. Should not be a big deal. 
