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Post by tubbsax on Apr 30, 2015 23:52:41 GMT -6
I am trying to build my studio for my production company. I am looking to spend 15 to $20,000. what should I put in the studio all advice welcome thank you in advance!
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Post by ragan on May 1, 2015 0:01:53 GMT -6
I can say unequivocally that you're gonna want a mic. Possibly multiple.
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Post by ragan on May 1, 2015 0:07:10 GMT -6
But in all seriousness, people will need to know a good bit more to be helpful. First thing would be what are you gonna be recording?
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Post by winetree on May 1, 2015 0:36:41 GMT -6
Most semi-pro studios at first spend a lot of of money on audio equipment. They then proceed to set this up in a bedroom, living room, basement, or garage with a set of speakers on stands or on top of a desk and some soundproofing on the walls. We've all done this and wonder why the mix doesn't translate well and our ears play funny tricks on us. I think the most important thing to do first is to spend the money on a professional to design an accurate listening environment. Once you have that, you can hear what equipment is needed. Y.M.O.
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Post by jeromemason on May 1, 2015 0:44:08 GMT -6
What kind of production?? You need to do just overdubs or track multiple players at once, or is it more just a songwriters type of setup you're going for? I'm not sure where "Pro Studio" even is categorized these days. I'd consider what I have professional enough to churn out mixes, and overdub well enough to hang with some decent places in town, but I only focused on mixing and overdubs. Even some of the big studio's, their control rooms are not the best for mixing in. Some of it feels like an illusion to me honestly, it's expensive and fancy but I've heard what can come from places far less sparkly and I'd choose the ones that focus on the guts and purity rather than the cool sinks in the bathrooms.
Money wise, for 20k you can either buy a lot of gear that is decent for all things, or you can buy less gear that's amazing for a couple of things. If you're talking about just the gear a lone 20k will get you some mic's, decent speakers, good conversion, good pre's, etc. but take into account the cost to construct the area and that's where things become expensive, again, depending on what you consider "Pro"
Tell us what your plans are for the next 5 years for this place and you will get much better advice.
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Post by Ward on May 1, 2015 6:45:06 GMT -6
$20,000??? Seriously? My studio has over $50,000 in cabling alone. Pro, but not top-end by any stretch of the imagination.
20K will not go far. $500 Large would be a better number to work with.
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Post by ericn on May 1, 2015 8:33:16 GMT -6
Wlecome to RGO You don't want to hear this but to build a nice sounding room alone will cost $15-20K forget equipment! Honestly If you don't know what you want need you will be flushing cash down the drain! IF I were you I would find a local studio and develop a relationship with them. Im not trying to put you down or crush your dream, but when I was a gear pimp I saw plenty of guys like you burn through cash like they were doing crack.
If you really want to do this Find a Good dealer like Warren at Zen, the guys at Sweetwater and buy a nice mic and interface some phones and monitors, see what you can do and spend sometime in a real studio and find what you really want ,
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Post by jdc on May 1, 2015 9:20:23 GMT -6
I'm in the process of putting a studio together with some friends and 20k gets eaten scarily fast, and between the three of us we already have most of the gear we want. We've dumped just about all of our money into construction to retrofit a preexisting space (that has unfortunately low ceilings).
I'd say proper room acoustics takes you further than anything else. A microphone is only going to pick up the reverberations of the air in the room. If the room itself sounds bad then no microphone or outboard gear in the world can change that (obviously you can eq to compensate, but the more tracks you mix the more compounding problems you're trying to fix) . The same goes for your listening environment, you're listening to what playback sounds like IN YOUR ROOM, and better monitors are all relative to how good the room is (that being said, the Arc 2 system has been a godsend for my apartment). I once heard that for recording, the closer something is to the source, the more important it is. Get good musicians in a good room with some good mics and you're 95% there.
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Post by swurveman on May 1, 2015 9:34:02 GMT -6
Wlecome to RGO You don't want to hear this but to build a nice sounding room alone will cost $15-20K forget equipment! Honestly If you don't know what you want need you will be flushing cash down the drain! IF I were you I would find a local studio and develop a relationship with them. Im not trying to put you down or crush your dream, but when I was a gear pimp I saw plenty of guys like you burn through cash like they were doing crack. To give a counter view, back in the day I spent around $20K at a good studio producing well produced demos on a Harrison board with tons of great outboard. They were songs produced in the Bon Jovi/Whitesnake/Def Leopard style. Took the CD to LA. Guess what? Nirvana. Not only did my demo not have a chance, but most of those bands with that sound lost their deals. If I had to do it over, and was producing demo's today with that 20K, here's what I'd buy: Computer: #1,900.00 Video monitor: $140.00 UAD Apollo: $1,600.00 Les Paul:2,024 Strat: 1,279.00 Fender Deluxe Reverb amp: $900.00 Distortion pedal: $50.00 Fender jazz: $1,079.00 Gibson Hummingbird: 2,420.00 REDDI: $596.00 2 V x73i: $2,200 Superior Drummer: $200.00 ADAM ax7: $1,198.00 Rode NT5 Matched pair: 429.00 Royer R121: 1,036 Peluso 2246SE (could be any u47 variant): $1,475.00 Peluso P12: (could be any c12 variant): $1,190.00 2 SM57’s: 160 Cubase : $549:00 ARC Correction software: $299.00 Cables etc: $200.00 Total: $20,076.00 I'd go to the local music college and barter studio time with musicians. No it's not pro and it's not ideal, particularly because you need good sounding tracking and mixing rooms, but it's a good start for a sustainable demo production setup.
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Post by lpedrum on May 1, 2015 10:31:19 GMT -6
OK...I'm gonna take a little different view than some other RGO members. Unless you already own a room or space that's perfect for recording I would begin by investing in the core gear that will allow you to make professional sounding recordings. This would include computer, interface, mics and pres etc. You don't have to buy that $8000 dollar tube pre--but do your research and buy gear that you won't grow out of within a year. If you can set up your gear so that it's portable, all the better. If you become good at what you do, THEN you can start to figure out the real estate part of the equation. But investing first in a room with full cabling, iso rooms, etc etc? That's not the way I would approach it. It starts with good gear and your ability to master it. 20K will get you well on your way.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 1, 2015 10:38:29 GMT -6
$20,000??? Seriously? My studio has over $50,000 in cabling alone. Pro, but not top-end by any stretch of the imagination. 20K will not go far. $500 Large would be a better number to work with. Yep. Got about 100k of mine and the governments money tied up in mine and I'm still on the low end.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2015 10:47:07 GMT -6
Let's rephrase the question. How would you spend $20k on a studio from ground up?
But we need to know how many channels you need, what the intention is (is it for recording drums, bands or just overdubs?)...how many channels you need vastly changes the advice we could give.
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Post by drbill on May 1, 2015 11:08:37 GMT -6
$20,000??? Seriously? My studio has over $50,000 in cabling alone. Pro, but not top-end by any stretch of the imagination. 20K will not go far. $500 Large would be a better number to work with. Ditto. Wire and interfacing and patch bays are EXPENSIVE! I can't even count how much I've spent on that alone....
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Post by indiehouse on May 1, 2015 12:04:16 GMT -6
Buy a nice soldering iron and your money will go further.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 12:06:10 GMT -6
I guess 20k is burnt so fast, i would not try to do a commercial studio with it. We (my brother and me) are in the progress to build our home/mainly synth based private studio from stuff we collected over decades + several pieces we bought new in the last years. My brother told me we spent around more than 10k in the last year alone...(well, very mainly *his* money nowadays...i give many bits and pieces and know-how from the past into it...) And that's just for our own private enthusiasm we have for more than 25 yrs ... without *any* forced timeline or financial pressure... There is nothing complete or fancy about what we have, lots of used equipment, old + new intruments, some esoteric audiophile listening and old K+H nearfielders, 2 fairly hi end pc's, 2 DAW licenses, huge LED tvs for our old eyes, control surfaces, some outboard, synths, effects, 2 mid class consoles + 2 small mixers, 3 quality studio headphones, 2 good basses, 1 cheap strat, converters, 2 handful of mics we collected over time, not even one of the stellar LDCs, several curiosities and modded stuff, cables, cables, cables... We spent more than 10k for monitoring alone for sure, the 200 bucks mentioned for cabling don't even pay the mid-class mix input cabling from converter to one small 24ch. console. We got the consoles *very* reasonably cheap and were ebay crazies for a long time, otherwise we would never have so much stuff we have in storage. You would never think how much money we spent over time into music and studio stuff if you would take a look.....
This said, i saw what a studio sold, that produced a major hip hop album of one quite famous german rapper, and was shocked how un-professional and absolutely minimal the stuff was, i would not listen to the monitors they sold in my sleeping room for tv in the evening... But well - they sold the stuff...out of business obviously. I don't have to think twice, why they gave up.
If anything, i would say - if you really want to go this way, steer forward an in-the-box studio, stay minimal but buy good stuff from start. Think about what clients you want to have and what you really, really need for this - and what you don't. For this business 20k is not much at all, but still it is alot of money for living ... if you have no other day job ... for every piece of gear think twice or more...
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Post by mobeach on May 1, 2015 13:10:40 GMT -6
You could build a nice Hobbyist studio for well under 20K, but it will only give you Hobbyist results. That's where I'm at in the game.
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Post by drbill on May 1, 2015 13:27:44 GMT -6
Buy a nice soldering iron and your money will go further. I did. And I'm still that deep in..... :-0
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 13:38:09 GMT -6
Depends alot on what you want to do and what last not least your skills are. Speech recordings? Jingle studio? Professional demo recordings for semi pro or noncommercial newcomers? I would not say there is nothing pro possible with 20k of gear...
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Post by M57 on May 1, 2015 15:06:36 GMT -6
I'm surprised that folks here are biting on this one. A first/one time poster wants advice on building a "Pro" studio, for that kind of money?? The only reasonable answer right now is, "Probably not, but what is it you're trying to do? We need a LOT more information. Thanks for joining and visiting the site. You must all be real nice people in RL.
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Post by Ward on May 1, 2015 15:24:56 GMT -6
I feel so dirty now... like I've been condescended upon...
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Post by mrholmes on May 1, 2015 15:59:00 GMT -6
Did I say that I have a friend who is making a shit lot of money? His studio? Apple Laptop and two crappy consumer speakers plus a fucked up chineese preamp and one china mic and a masterkryboard for the internal sounds....
He is doing professional work. The term Pro says nothing in our time.....
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Post by joseph on May 1, 2015 16:08:52 GMT -6
I'm in the process of putting a studio together with some friends and 20k gets eaten scarily fast, and between the three of us we already have most of the gear we want. We've dumped just about all of our money into construction to retrofit a preexisting space (that has unfortunately low ceilings). I'd say proper room acoustics takes you further than anything else. A microphone is only going to pick up the reverberations of the air in the room. If the room itself sounds bad then no microphone or outboard gear in the world can change that (obviously you can eq to compensate, but the more tracks you mix the more compounding problems you're trying to fix) . The same goes for your listening environment, you're listening to what playback sounds like IN YOUR ROOM, and better monitors are all relative to how good the room is (that being said, the Arc 2 system has been a godsend for my apartment). I once heard that for recording, the closer something is to the source, the more important it is. Get good musicians in a good room with some good mics and you're 95% there. This is the truth. But fuck it, you work with what you have. The real question is whether a studio is there to attract outside clients, or to produce in house recordings. These days a lot of great stuff and a lot of crap happens in the latter category. So many boring records made in top notch studios and drum rooms. So many great albums made in relatively small rooms with skilled players. I wouldn't let the low ceilings get you down. To me this is not such a big deal, and also genre dependent. I think it's better to have an okay room with a vibe than a perfect room that is boring. Get a pair of KM84s or M160s for overheads or use underheads and you can get great results. You can also hit a mic placed down the hall with a compressor for sustain, and blend that in as your room sound. Get a nice reverb plugin like phoenixverb. My sense is it's more about how hard or out of control the early reflections are in the room, anyway, not that it has high or low ceilings per se. And treating areas where build up is creating an uneven frequency response or reverberation. If the reflections are under control, then you set up drum set to play into the room or where it sounds best (not often in the middle of it). After that, I've found using thin cymbals, tuning/dampening a drum kit properly and for every single damn song, using fresh remo ambassadors, and choosing mics with nice rejection and off axis response all makes a big big difference. (I think the same is true for a mixing room. Just don't get speakers that are too big for the room, don't monitor too loud, avoid a square room, check for cancelation dips and adjust monitor distance from wall, and use bass traps where necessary. Then learn the room and speakers with reference mixes, check your mixes in car, on laptop speakers, earbuds, etc.) \ Anyway, 20,000 goes a long way these days. No it's not enough but it's a great start. And the lunchbox format + laptops means you can build a great mobile rig and track in nice/cool rooms if you don't have access to one on home turf. Or simply do your drum recordings in a real studio and do overdubs and mixing elsewhere. Plus it sorta depends how much gear a person is starting with. If they're already a guitar player, or drummer, chances are they have some things. That could shave off up to 10,000. Let's see. The essentials to me to acquire over time would be: 8-12 ADC, Logic/Cubase =3000ish Capi preamps and perhaps one 1073 type = 7,000 Couple Warm audio pieces and/or 550as = 2,000 & 2 KM84 or Josephson E22S. 2200-2600 2 Royers or M160s or Coles. 1200-2100 Beyer M88, RE20, SM7. about 1000 2 LDCs when you can afford it, or one fancy looking tube mic for show, take your pick. Lots of options there. People seem to get the most mileage out of having one 47 and one CK12 type. But 2x C38 or UM70, or 1 U87. 3000ish Then some cheaper mics when you need them. 1 used of each: D18 or Gibson, 1500 P Bass, 800 Fender Silverface, 800 Marshall/high gain, 800 Les Paul, 1000 Strat, 600 1 Tele, 600 1 Rhodes or Wurly = 800 Drum Kit and a couple nice snares and cymbals = 2000 Bunch of K&M stands = 1500 Cables = 1500 or more = 33000 or so + monitors. Used KH120a or Questeds or whatever. Something under 2000. You can got a lot of nice speakers used.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2015 21:02:25 GMT -6
Why does this question piss so many people off? Where I come from, $20k is a LOT of money. Depending on what he's trying to do, he could absolutely get professional results. Don't be such snobs.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2015 21:09:08 GMT -6
I mixed a project that Emerson Hart (Tonic) and Gary Louris (Jayhawks) did with a couple of 57's, a clone C12, Apogee Quartet and a Focusrite Octopre. It was freaking amazing. So, while I DO think great equipment gets you there quicker and generally sounds better, I think sometimes we lose the forest for the trees.
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Post by winetree on May 1, 2015 21:09:23 GMT -6
"I am trying to build my studio for my production company"
He said he wanted to build a studio. Not buy a bunch of recording studio equipment. Studio [stoo-dee-oh, styoo-] 1. the workroom or atelier of an artist, as a painter or sculptor. 2.a room or place for instruction or experimentation in one of the performing arts: a dance studio. 3.a room or set of rooms specially equipped for broadcasting radio or television programs, making phonograph records, filming motion pictures, etc. 4.all the buildings and adjacent land required or used by a company engaged in the production of motion pictures.
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