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Post by Quint on Sept 19, 2017 5:20:35 GMT -6
I read that the other day. But that's where the confusion started for me. All future kits will now ship with the CA, not the EA, right? You still sell the EA, but won't be able to meet requests to swap the EA for the CA in those kits, right? If so, why is the EA still individually for sale, if the EA and CA are indistinguishable in sound and the EA can't be swapped in kits? That's where my confusion comes in. If they truly sound indistinguishable, then I don't necessarily care which one I'm using. But you said the original AP from your console has 1:8, not 1:7 like the EA you've been selling or the new CA. If the EA and CA are both 1:7, I get how they could/would sound the same. But wouldn't 1:8 sound a little different than 1:7 and, if not, why plan on selling assembled-only units with the new 1:8 in the future? I thought the EAs (and now CAs) WERE direct clones of the APs in your console? This may all be splitting hairs and, in the end, if I were to listen and compare the EA, CA, old AP or new 1:8 clone of the AP, I may not hear any noticeable difference or care. But maybe I would? Don't get me wrong, the VP28s sound great, regardless of whatever differences may or may not exist when compared to the vintage stuff. I'm not an absolute purist, though your attempt to get as close as possible is what attracted me in the first place. But I was thinking about buying some more VP28s and would like to know what, if any, sound differences I may hear between the new ones with the CA and my old ones with the EAs and also in what way, if any, that the EA/CA may sound different than the old AP or the new 1:8 AP clone you're planning?
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Post by jsteiger on Sept 19, 2017 11:11:19 GMT -6
Quint, I don't think the whole thing is that big of an "issue". I was forced to find another more reliable solution for kit stock. I can still get the older EA2622 so am keeping them on hand. API switched inputs numerous times over the years. This stuff happens for various reasons. No matter what we have, it is top shelf excellent sounding stuff.
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Post by Quint on Sept 19, 2017 12:46:19 GMT -6
Quint, I don't think the whole thing is that big of an "issue". I was forced to find another more reliable solution for kit stock. I can still get the older EA2622 so am keeping them on hand. API switched inputs numerous times over the years. This stuff happens for various reasons. No matter what we have, it is top shelf excellent sounding stuff. I'm quite certain that it's all top quality stuff and I also understand that parts availability issues happen all the time. I have zero issues with any of that and I love your VP28s. I was just trying to get some clarification on what sound differences there may be between the different trannies. Are you saying that the the 1:7 EA/CA will sound the same as the old AP from your console or the AP clone you're going to make, which are both 1:8? I get why you would stick with 1:7 on the CA for design consistency in the kits. I was just curious if there would be any perceived difference in sound?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 21, 2017 8:39:10 GMT -6
I really think it would come down to about 1 in 4,367,974 people might hear a slight difference when the input is cranked all the way and the output on one.
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Post by Quint on Sept 21, 2017 16:24:29 GMT -6
I really think it would come down to about 1 in 4,367,974 people might hear a slight difference when the input is cranked all the way and the output on one. I hope so. I know it's easy to overthink this stuff sometimes.... 😉
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Post by EmRR on Sept 21, 2017 16:38:25 GMT -6
You can also swap different sets of UTC HA-100's and A-24's in and out of the same LA-2A and hear differences, if you want to split the hair fine enough.
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Post by pfhuck on Sept 21, 2017 20:54:15 GMT -6
Jeff, when can we expect the pictorial build guide for these? That's really the only thing holding me back from buying one, or a few No doubt I could figure it out, but but but... Please and Thank You! -pfhuck
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Post by Quint on Sept 21, 2017 21:02:09 GMT -6
You can also swap different sets of UTC HA-100's and A-24's in and out of the same LA-2A and hear differences, if you want to split the hair fine enough. Isn't the difference between the 2623 output transformers, originally included with various kits, and the new Litz wire option also splitting the proverbial hair? Yet people are raving about the differences between the two. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask about what audible differences may exist between the various input transformer options (current and future), given the description of these various transformers in the link provided by Jeff.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 16, 2017 12:06:53 GMT -6
I fiiiiinally got a chance to compare the XFMR version with the original triple opamp version. In the XFMR I had a gar2520 and in the original I had 3 gar2520's. Tonally they are very close, and the compression seems to be extremely similar between the two versions. My impression was that the XFMR version had a bit more upper mid sparkle/saturation, and maybe that's the effect of the input transformer. I was running program material, and it gave the cymbals a little extra presence and interest.
Other than that, the XFMR version is quite a bit quieter when you're cranking the input/output. I compared it to my Hairball Rev D, and the XFMR was slightly quieter with the in/out of both fully cranked.
Overall, it's a great sounding compressor, with ridiculously transparent gain reduction. It didn't really pump no matter how hard I hit it. Overall, with the added 2:1 ratio and sidechain HPF, I expect I'll usually be choosing it over the 1176.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 6, 2018 18:01:01 GMT -6
. Tonally they are very close, and the compression seems to be extremely similar between the two versions. My impression was that the XFMR version had a bit more upper mid sparkle/saturation, and maybe that's the effect of the input transformer. Other than that, the XFMR version is quite a bit quieter when you're cranking the input/output. Thanks for the report. I've been driving 1st gen some, like what they do, but don't yet trust them fully for tracking duties, which is about the only place hardware gets used anymore. (Recalls, yada yada). Quieter xfmr version....I'd attribute probably to the 'free' gain of the input transformer.
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