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Post by drsax on May 18, 2017 15:05:38 GMT -6
I just had to re-read this entire thread as I anxiously wait for the Silver Bullet I ordered after talking with Brad yesterday. I was already sold, but it was great talking about it. I hope you and drsax will chime back in and share your experiences. Honestly, the comments and rave reviews have been the BEST and are in large part what drive Brad and I to sit around and come up with these wild ideas..... Chroma was also a labor of love, and we're anxious to see it hit the streets and get into the hands of creative folks. Congrats and Enjoy!!! I'll give my feedback after I get a chance to put it through its paces. It may take a week or so as my schedule is swamped right now, but I'm anxious to compare it to my current master buss chain and see how it impacts everything. I'm also curious to see how my current buss comp sounds through the SB inserts. I've also got a ZULU over here so there's gonna be some experimenting going on for sure.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 18, 2017 15:08:00 GMT -6
Wait, but you can already do that with your outboard and some freeware MS encode/decode plugins. Just do hardware inserts in your DAW. Encode to MS before the send and then decode after the return. Unfortunately this won't work with the Silver Bullet since the SB does not have separate left and right controls. It has a single set of controls for both left and right. However, you can do this with two Chromas. drsax - Looks like it shows up tomorrow! Brad Sure but that also doesn't get you the clairphonic features if you are interested in that. So, the new clairphonic has MS circuitry built in that you can also patch into. Personally, I thought this a nice compliment to the SB.
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Post by BradM on May 18, 2017 15:38:12 GMT -6
Sure but that also doesn't get you the clairphonic features if you are interested in that. So, the new clairphonic has MS circuitry built in that you can also patch into. Personally, I thought this a nice compliment to the SB. I have the Clariphonic plugin which sounds great! Definitely would be a nice compliment to the SB. All the Kush Audio gear is! Brad
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Post by Johnkenn on May 18, 2017 15:46:29 GMT -6
Yeah - I'm anxious to get my Silver Bullet over here and patch some of my favorite gear into the insert Do tell when you do.
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Post by drsax on May 18, 2017 20:34:24 GMT -6
Yeah - I'm anxious to get my Silver Bullet over here and patch some of my favorite gear into the insert Do tell when you do. will do
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Post by BradM on May 19, 2017 11:14:44 GMT -6
I just had to re-read this entire thread as I anxiously wait for the Silver Bullet I ordered after talking with Brad yesterday. I was already sold, but it was great talking about it. Your unit ships out today, Mike! Incoming! Brad
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Post by mikec on May 19, 2017 11:55:08 GMT -6
I just had to re-read this entire thread as I anxiously wait for the Silver Bullet I ordered after talking with Brad yesterday. I was already sold, but it was great talking about it. Your unit ships out today, Mike! Incoming! Brad Awesome. It looks like it will be here in time for me to fly my wife off to see her sister for 4 days next weekend. Looks like I will be spending a lot of time in the studio.
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Post by drsax on May 19, 2017 17:03:37 GMT -6
The eagle has landed. Initial impressions... WOW! I still have to put it through its paces... but I'm extremely impressed. In a quick test it squeezes out more volume than my buss comp with less effort and with less negligible artifacts... and sounds less compressed, which is a win for me. And then when I inserted my buss comp into the SB inserts... even more wow factor. The tone shaping between the N and A is super sweet... I've got a lot of testing to do yet - but I could not have a better first impression - on top of that, BradM is a true gentleman and he has been very helpful in answering questions... he is also gear designing rockstar! Stay tuned... I've got a lot more testing to do. So far, SO good!
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Post by mikec on May 19, 2017 17:26:42 GMT -6
The eagle has landed. Initial impressions... WOW! I still have to put it through its paces... but I'm extremely impressed. In a quick test it squeezes out more volume than my buss comp with less effort and with less negligible artifacts... and sounds less compressed, which is a win for me. And then when I inserted my buss comp into the SB inserts... even more wow factor. The tone shaping between the N and A is super sweet... I've got a lot of testing to do yet - but I could not have a better first impression - on top of that, BradM is a true gentleman and he has been very helpful in answering questions... he is also gear designing rockstar! Stay tuned... I've got a lot more testing to do. So far, SO good! Great post and I agree about Brad, in one conversation it made me feel good to purchase from someone like him. I am really looking forward to getting mine next week. I've already been re-arranging my desk so that the Silver Bullet will be front and center.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 19, 2017 19:25:15 GMT -6
This box keeps piquing my interests... the Silver Bullet definitely has my attention... I have been looking for a 2 ch pre plus Eq for tracking and mixing to replace my old gtq2 and after exploring several options with some people I keep coming back to this box for both tracking and mixing capabilities...
I just wish the the SB had a mid band EQ, even if it was just 3 frequencies say 500, 1khz, 2khz / 500, 1khz, 3khz / 500, 1.5, 2.5 ... idk regardless without the Eq I still really like the idea and design of this box...
Does it have separate mic and Line inputs
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Post by drbill on May 19, 2017 20:04:16 GMT -6
This box keeps piquing my interests... the Silver Bullet definitely has my attention... I have been looking for a 2 ch pre plus Eq for tracking and mixing to replace my old gtq2 and after exploring several options with some people I keep coming back to this box for both tracking and mixing capabilities... I just wish the the SB had a mid band EQ, even if it was just 3 frequencies say 500, 1khz, 2khz / 500, 1khz, 3khz / 500, 1.5, 2.5 ... idk regardless without the Eq I still really like the idea and design of this box... Does it have separate mic and Line inputs Separate Mix, Tracking (Line) and Mic inputs pm XLR's. Tracking and Mix Outputs. (Mic out is jumpered internally to go out the tracking OUTPUTs, but if you're only using 2 channels of AD/DA you can re-jumper it quickly to go out the Mix outputs by using "Fulcrom" mode. Use the same jumper settings for passive summers. The whole thing is very flexible. Insert your favorite mid-band hardware EQ or Plugin (via hardware) inserts into the SB inserts and you're good to go. BTW, IMO, the EQ is phenomenal. Especially the Sub band (which I didn't think I would use that much, but now it's on every mix) and the Air bands. Along with the vintage Neve console filter, which is very sweet. The EQ on this baby shouldn't be overlooked..... Attachments:
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Post by BradM on May 19, 2017 20:24:06 GMT -6
Separate Mix, Tracking (Line) and Mic inputs pm XLR's. Tracking and Mix Outputs. (Mic out is jumpered internally to go out the tracking inserts, but if you're only using 2 channels of AD/DA you can re-jumper it quickly to go out the Mix outputs by using "Fulcrom" mode. Use the same jumper settings for passive summers. The whole thing is very flexible. Um, what? Haha. I think you meant to say that signal coming into Mic inputs shows up on Tracking Outputs, but can be switched over to the Mix Outputs via an internal jumper. Brad
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Post by drbill on May 19, 2017 20:39:55 GMT -6
Separate Mix, Tracking (Line) and Mic inputs pm XLR's. Tracking and Mix Outputs. (Mic out is jumpered internally to go out the tracking OUTPUts, but if you're only using 2 channels of AD/DA you can re-jumper it quickly to go out the Mix outputs by using "Fulcrom" mode. Use the same jumper settings for passive summers. The whole thing is very flexible. Um, what? Haha. I think you meant to say that signal coming into Mic inputs shows up on Tracking Outputs, but can be switched over to the Mix Outputs via an internal jumper. Brad Yes of course. Dam spell check inside my brain. Always making me type stupid stuff that I didn't mean to. Of course, now I can't change it since you QUOTED me. Thanks for always making me look like a dummy.....
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Post by drbill on May 19, 2017 20:42:29 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 19, 2017 20:59:33 GMT -6
Yeah I use an Apollo. I have 5 outputs left and 5 inputs left out of the 8. I would set up one mic pre output into Apollo line input. Then have the tracking and mix I/O permanently patched to my Apollo I/0 for the remaining four Apollo line I/o... ( yes i know patch bay patch bay patch bay 😀👍)
This way I could process Soft Synths or whatever By routing from DAW HW insert the track inputs ( I think of them as secondary Mix inputs 😀) While still using the mix outputs on the Mixbus or other sub group... Am I correct?
I am busy reading this thread, then will head over to the website to read the manual 😀👍 Thanks guys
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Post by drbill on May 19, 2017 22:11:56 GMT -6
Close. There are no dedicated mic outputs though, but that does not stop your flexibility. Out of the 5 i/o's remaining, leave i/o 4 unused for other applications (Chroma with colour module??? ), Use 5/6 hardware inserts (i/o) on SB Mix in/out, and 7/8 hardware inserts (i/o) on SB Tracking in/out. Done. Flexible, and cool. Actually, you can use BOTH mic pre's (stereo or dual) and they can get to your DAW buy either Tracking outputs (standard config) OR Mix outputs (Folcrom config) with NO repatching. It's patched internally. You just choose whichever output you prefer via the internal (passive summing folcrom mode) jumper. Since you will have both tracking AND mix i/o fully hooked up, you can use either as the mic outputs depending on jumper position. It doesn't really matter - as long as you patch the input of your record track in PT to the correct input channel (output from SB). Make sense? Hopefully.
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Post by drsax on May 20, 2017 12:37:16 GMT -6
Alright... I did a little more testing this morning and here's what I'm diggin so much about the Silver Bullet. It just seems to get me where I am trying to go with less effort.. and it sounds more effortless. That openness is hard to come by in the digital world and since I run a fairly extensive hybrid rig - a bit similar in layout to drbill, I find that so far, the implementation of the SB fits perfect into my situation. So far I've just tested it on previous mixes and master buss, but I suspect that mixing into it will render even a bigger difference. The API into Neve combo is sublime. For the mixbuss, I don't know if it'll ever get switched. The A & N both sound great individually, seriously great... but the A to N is something real special. On top of that, it frees up my mix buss comps for other uses, or I can use them on the SB inserts where they sound really fantastic. Really diggin this thing BradM and drbill
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Post by drbill on May 20, 2017 13:00:33 GMT -6
Alright... I did a little more testing this morning and here's what I'm diggin so much about the Silver Bullet. It just seems to get me where I am trying to go with less effort.. and it sounds more effortless. That openness is hard to come by in the digital world and since I run a fairly extensive hybrid rig - a bit similar in layout to drbill , I find that so far, the implementation of the SB fits perfect into my situation. So far I've just tested it on previous mixes and master buss, but I suspect that mixing into it will render even a bigger difference. The API into Neve combo is sublime. For the mixbuss, I don't know if it'll ever get switched. The A & N both sound great individually, seriously great... but the A to N is something real special. On top of that, it frees up my mix buss comps for other uses, or I can use them on the SB inserts where they sound really fantastic. Really diggin this thing BradM and drbill AWESOME Doc!!! I agree about the A>N settings. Really, completely unique and "thick" without getting "tubby". Sounds like a record. From the 70's. IMO of course. As of late, I've been going N>A after Paul from Morcheeba mentioned that that was his fav setup. It's a bit more elegant and luxurious, but at the expense of a tiny bit of the initial API "punch". But for rock or mastering, I'm all over A>N. Try A>N sometime in mic mode with a U47 out in front of the kit. Hit it hard with no mercy. The sound of so many classic records. Just amazing. I'd been searching for "that sound" for a couple of decades. And the twist of a couple knobs and 2 minutes got me there. Are you digging into and using the EQ much yet? On almost every mix - for masting - I'll set up with tight, tone, +2-5 clicks boost on "sub", +3-6 clicks boosted on "air", and if it's acoustic or retro, the vintage filter. And BAM! It's just there. The air is addicting - like crack.... LOL Enjoy and report back further. At this point, I'm guessing you won't return the demo? LOL
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Post by drbill on May 20, 2017 13:14:30 GMT -6
but I suspect that mixing into it will render even a bigger difference. Yes, YES!! Absolutely. You can finesse much more. Dropping it onto busses, even more. If I had time and was working on albums, every track would be going out my D/A and printed back into my A/D with a pass thru the bullet. But I'm lazy and have to work fast for TV, so I just got 5 of em. LOL Even then, I still reamp tracks often thru the SB - reprinting them to free up SB real estate. The addition of 4-8 Chromas will pretty much get me fully into simple, lazy-land without having to reprint any tracks. Haha! But yeah, mixing into it - and using it throughout the production process - leaves me "affecting" stuff less, and ending up with more mojo on the final result. Reading the manual will give you a little more insight into my methodology and reasoning on this and how it compares to 1970's- early 90's record production.
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Post by drsax on May 20, 2017 15:45:28 GMT -6
Alright... I did a little more testing this morning and here's what I'm diggin so much about the Silver Bullet. It just seems to get me where I am trying to go with less effort.. and it sounds more effortless. That openness is hard to come by in the digital world and since I run a fairly extensive hybrid rig - a bit similar in layout to drbill , I find that so far, the implementation of the SB fits perfect into my situation. So far I've just tested it on previous mixes and master buss, but I suspect that mixing into it will render even a bigger difference. The API into Neve combo is sublime. For the mixbuss, I don't know if it'll ever get switched. The A & N both sound great individually, seriously great... but the A to N is something real special. On top of that, it frees up my mix buss comps for other uses, or I can use them on the SB inserts where they sound really fantastic. Really diggin this thing BradM and drbill AWESOME Doc!!! I agree about the A>N settings. Really, completely unique and "thick" without getting "tubby". Sounds like a record. From the 70's. IMO of course. As of late, I've been going N>A after Paul from Morcheeba mentioned that that was his fav setup. It's a bit more elegant and luxurious, but at the expense of a tiny bit of the initial API "punch". But for rock or mastering, I'm all over A>N. Try A>N sometime in mic mode with a U47 out in front of the kit. Hit it hard with no mercy. The sound of so many classic records. Just amazing. I'd been searching for "that sound" for a couple of decades. And the twist of a couple knobs and 2 minutes got me there. Are you digging into and using the EQ much yet? On almost every mix - for masting - I'll set up with tight, tone, +2-5 clicks boost on "sub", +3-6 clicks boosted on "air", and if it's acoustic or retro, the vintage filter. And BAM! It's just there. The air is addicting - like crack.... LOL Enjoy and report back further. At this point, I'm guessing you won't return the demo? LOL No, this thing isn't going anywhere. Just emailed Brad to let him know. It's a definite keeper. I do mostly contemporary jazz, funk, R&B, and gospel... and some rock from time to time... all influenced with a bit of commercial pop vibe, and yet, I am definitely into the sound of 70's funk. That's my favorite. So the A to N checks all my boxes. Ironically, my mixes tend to be cleaner, but with vibe injected into them. Although I like the N to A, and actually could see myself using that when I want a softer more elegant sound, The A to N gives me that Neve-ish 70's low end and sweet highs without losing clarity. I am constantly producing or mixing singles (sometimes mastering) that are on the Billboard chart, so I look forward to seeing how soon I can land a "Silver Bullet" track on the charts. I have messed with the filters and EQ and love them. Very useful. They sound great. I generally mix without EQ on my master buss... but I will definitely be using the EQ and filters for mastering and to fine tune mixes if needed.
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Post by drsax on May 20, 2017 15:54:56 GMT -6
but I suspect that mixing into it will render even a bigger difference. Yes, YES!! Absolutely. You can finesse much more. Dropping it onto busses, even more. If I had time and was working on albums, every track would be going out my D/A and printed back into my A/D with a pass thru the bullet. But I'm lazy and have to work fast for TV, so I just got 5 of em. LOL Even then, I still reamp tracks often thru the SB - reprinting them to free up SB real estate. The addition of 4-8 Chromas will pretty much get me fully into simple, lazy-land without having to reprint any tracks. Haha! But yeah, mixing into it - and using it throughout the production process - leaves me "affecting" stuff less, and ending up with more mojo on the final result. Reading the manual will give you a little more insight into my methodology and reasoning on this and how it compares to 1970's- early 90's record production. Yeah - I wish I could swing a second Silver Bullet right now - I'd try to convince BradM to whip up a "Sold Out" Void Corps version for me. I'd love to have one Silver Bullet on the master buss and one on my drum buss simultaneously 😀 Ah... first world problems I run stuff through Outboard all the time and print back into the session so recall is a breeze. I find that getting that good Outboard vibe on individual tracks adds up big time in a final mix.
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Post by drbill on May 20, 2017 16:00:19 GMT -6
AWESOME Doc!!! I agree about the A>N settings. Really, completely unique and "thick" without getting "tubby". Sounds like a record. From the 70's. IMO of course. As of late, I've been going N>A after Paul from Morcheeba mentioned that that was his fav setup. It's a bit more elegant and luxurious, but at the expense of a tiny bit of the initial API "punch". But for rock or mastering, I'm all over A>N. Try A>N sometime in mic mode with a U47 out in front of the kit. Hit it hard with no mercy. The sound of so many classic records. Just amazing. I'd been searching for "that sound" for a couple of decades. And the twist of a couple knobs and 2 minutes got me there. Are you digging into and using the EQ much yet? On almost every mix - for masting - I'll set up with tight, tone, +2-5 clicks boost on "sub", +3-6 clicks boosted on "air", and if it's acoustic or retro, the vintage filter. And BAM! It's just there. The air is addicting - like crack.... LOL Enjoy and report back further. At this point, I'm guessing you won't return the demo? LOL No, this thing isn't going anywhere. Just emailed Brad to let him know. It's a definite keeper. I do mostly contemporary jazz, funk, R&B, and gospel... and some rock from time to time... all influenced with a bit of commercial pop vibe, and yet, I am definitely into the sound of 70's funk. That's my favorite. So the A to N checks all my boxes. Ironically, my mixes tend to be cleaner, but with vibe injected into them. Although I like the N to A, and actually could see myself using that when I want a softer more elegant sound, The A to N gives me that Neve-ish 70's low end and sweet highs without losing clarity. I am constantly producing or mixing singles (sometimes mastering) that are on the Billboard chart, so I look forward to seeing how soon I can land a "Silver Bullet" track on the charts. I have messed with the filters and EQ and love them. Very useful. They sound great. I generally mix without EQ on my master buss... but I will definitely be using the EQ and filters for mastering and to fine tune mixes if needed. Yup. Makes perfect sense. <thumbsup>
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Post by drbill on May 20, 2017 16:06:14 GMT -6
Yes, YES!! Absolutely. You can finesse much more. Dropping it onto busses, even more. If I had time and was working on albums, every track would be going out my D/A and printed back into my A/D with a pass thru the bullet. But I'm lazy and have to work fast for TV, so I just got 5 of em. LOL Even then, I still reamp tracks often thru the SB - reprinting them to free up SB real estate. The addition of 4-8 Chromas will pretty much get me fully into simple, lazy-land without having to reprint any tracks. Haha! But yeah, mixing into it - and using it throughout the production process - leaves me "affecting" stuff less, and ending up with more mojo on the final result. Reading the manual will give you a little more insight into my methodology and reasoning on this and how it compares to 1970's- early 90's record production. Yeah - I wish I could swing a second Silver Bullet right now - I'd try to convince BradM to whip up a "Sold Out" Void Corps version for me. I'd love to have one Silver Bullet on the master buss and one on my drum buss simultaneously 😀 Ah... first world problems I run stuff through Outboard all the time and print back into the session so recall is a breeze. I find that getting that good Outboard vibe on individual tracks adds up big time in a final mix. Yeah. Good deal. I agree 110%. I'm honestly surprised at how many people are almost terrified to go out and back in on their DA/AD another pass. In fear of degrading their sound. Then, they slap on decapitator or something like it to dirty up the sound in their mix. LOL Going D/A and back in A/D with something nice like a Manley VariMu or Silver Bullet in between is a game changer. Brings dimension and separation into the mix.
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Post by drsax on May 20, 2017 16:30:41 GMT -6
Yeah - I wish I could swing a second Silver Bullet right now - I'd try to convince BradM to whip up a "Sold Out" Void Corps version for me. I'd love to have one Silver Bullet on the master buss and one on my drum buss simultaneously 😀 Ah... first world problems I run stuff through Outboard all the time and print back into the session so recall is a breeze. I find that getting that good Outboard vibe on individual tracks adds up big time in a final mix. Yeah. Good deal. I agree 110%. I'm honestly surprised at how many people are almost terrified to go out and back in on their DA/AD another pass. In fear of degrading their sound. Then, they slap on decapitator or something like it to dirty up the sound in their mix. LOL Going D/A and back in A/D with something nice like a Manley VariMu or Silver Bullet in between is a game changer. Brings dimension and separation into the mix. I totally agree. Especially for the bread and butter sounds in a mix!
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Post by mikec on May 23, 2017 16:39:16 GMT -6
My Silver Bullet arrived 2 days early. Brad must have used some special rocket scientist magic to make it magically appear at my door. Since my wife is jetting off to San Diego to see her sister, I have four days starting Friday with me and the dog. We will be in the studio a lot. I will report back once I've had time to get to know it. I can say right off the bat that the workmanship is visually top notch.
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