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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2022 3:57:25 GMT -6
Workflow and fun: check those two boxes and aren’t we in our sweet spot ?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2022 4:05:25 GMT -6
I think the single biggest thing is workflow, for what you need.... and if something makes you feel better about what you do... or you just plain enjoy using it... that's your answer. If you can afford it, like it, and will use it and enjoy it.. buy it. If the gear search and continual web surfing over the latest thing you read about is getting in the way of making money and or having fun, its probably an issue... cheers Wiz Good advice. Posting on RGO is what I do on "coffee breaks" during my day job and when I'm giving my ears a rest during recording/mixing/writing if I'm by myself. Haha. But yeah, I hear you for sure. That's actually part of the reasoning to just say "eff it" and stick with the Apollo. Everything's working great. If there's some stuff I'm not fully taking advantage of, whatever. Right now it's 4am and I've been twisting dials and punching parts for 5 hours so I'm kinda feeling very much like I never want to change anything again. But, tomorrow I'll no doubt be hunting for the best monitors under $2k. Meh, that's how it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 4:20:13 GMT -6
I think the single biggest thing is workflow, for what you need.... and if something makes you feel better about what you do... or you just plain enjoy using it... that's your answer. If you can afford it, like it, and will use it and enjoy it.. buy it. If the gear search and continual web surfing over the latest thing you read about is getting in the way of making money and or having fun, its probably an issue... cheers Wiz The biggest factor for me is sound, it's not about "feeling better" or "enjoyment" these are tools meant to do a job. For example an LA-2A is a hammer used to sonic shape some high end and a 1176 is mainly a drum crushing sledgehammer. I wouldn't use the latter to nail in an a small frame picture.. I look for whatever achieves my end goals quickest with the least amount of potential problems, for example did you know MOTU AVB adds 0.625ms latency? The mixer will compensate if you use it, if not you'll find yourself having phase issues. Pro Tools native back in the day didn't have the full ADC compliment HDX did and that caused problems unless you were aware of manual sample correction. There's tons of caveats to every workflow and whilst subjective preference has a large part to play in this endeavour it's the music that matters to me, not the equipment. However a fellow engineer described this process aptly, the tools are there to "support" you and some are better than others. But I agree that it's way too easy to sweat the small stuff and become obsessive over selections (especially costly one's). Anyway I'm probably not a semi-usual pro audio mixer person and I really couldn't care less if something is low or high end. I choose stuff because I think it sounds good, there's no more to it. I believe musicians, engineers, instruments, rooms and monitors in that order matter the most, plus whilst I think comp's, effects, mic's etc. can make a big difference it really does come down to which unicorn you're chasing (as in style, presentation etc.)..
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 9, 2022 6:35:49 GMT -6
gravesnumber9 in regards to getting more Cranbornes, isn’t one of their 500 racks also an interface? Maybe look into that instead of the ADAT. And another thought, aren’t you able to easily daisy the units using Cat 5 connections?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 8:04:53 GMT -6
gravesnumber9 in regards to getting more Cranbornes, isn’t one of their 500 racks also an interface? Maybe look into that instead of the ADAT. And another thought, aren’t you able to easily daisy the units using Cat 5 connections? Yes and yes..
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Post by svart on Feb 9, 2022 8:08:11 GMT -6
I don't know how it is now, but when I was shopping around for new interfaces, the MOTU options would come up frequently on ebay and reverb for quite a lot off MSRP. I probably spent half of the new prices on these devices. I figure used gear is somewhat of a gamble, but interfaces are probably a lot less likely to be beat up than a microphone or cables. That gamble paid off for me. It might be one that could save you quite a bit of money if you keep looking around.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2022 10:37:57 GMT -6
I don't know how it is now, but when I was shopping around for new interfaces, the MOTU options would come up frequently on ebay and reverb for quite a lot off MSRP. I probably spent half of the new prices on these devices. I figure used gear is somewhat of a gamble, but interfaces are probably a lot less likely to be beat up than a microphone or cables. That gamble paid off for me. It might be one that could save you quite a bit of money if you keep looking around. I'm seeing the same thing. Definitely increases the appeal.
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Post by dok on Feb 9, 2022 10:46:13 GMT -6
gravesnumber9 in regards to getting more Cranbornes, isn’t one of their 500 racks also an interface? Maybe look into that instead of the ADAT. And another thought, aren’t you able to easily daisy the units using Cat 5 connections? Yes and yes.. Also solves your issues of a quality headphone amp.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2022 10:48:14 GMT -6
gravesnumber9 in regards to getting more Cranbornes, isn’t one of their 500 racks also an interface? Maybe look into that instead of the ADAT. And another thought, aren’t you able to easily daisy the units using Cat 5 connections? Well it's not secret how much I love that thing. Maybe there's a way to make the budget work but I would also need additional I/O. - On the CAST question (that's what they call their AVB type thing), I'm not sure if you can CAST a 500ADAT into a 500r8. I'm gonna lookin the manual to see but the marketing literature only talks about connecting them via ADAT. But here's the run, if I bought another Cranborne and used that as my interface, I would still need to figure a way to get all of my existing outboard patched in. So I think I'd need another ADAT expander? If (and ONLY if) I can connect two Cranbornes via CAST, this could work. HUB - 500r8 into Mac mini via usb Node - 500ADAT into 500r8 via CAST Node - UA 4-710 into 500r8 via ADAT Node - Audient or some such 8/8 device into 500r8 via ADAT Yeah, that would do it. I'm nervous to even look and see if it's possible. I don't think CAST works that way, I think it's limited to 2/2 which is why they have so many jacks on the back of the box.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2022 10:49:26 GMT -6
Also solves your issues of a quality headphone amp. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Cranborne has the best headphone amp I've personally used. I've even had tin eared clients/friends in the room that are like "can I listen to the headphones out of that one? It's way better." Night and day vs Apollo HP amps. Really quite remarkable. And headroom to the moon.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2022 11:13:09 GMT -6
So yeah, looked it up. The CAST link only sends summing mixer back and forth between 500ADAT and 500R8. Only two channels in each CAST jack.
There's gotta be a way to do a two Cranborne setup and still get the I/O I need.
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Post by svart on Feb 9, 2022 11:25:38 GMT -6
Also solves your issues of a quality headphone amp. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Cranborne has the best headphone amp I've personally used. I've even had tin eared clients/friends in the room that are like "can I listen to the headphones out of that one? It's way better." Night and day vs Apollo HP amps. Really quite remarkable. And headroom to the moon. I have an esoteric discrete class A headphone amp in the studio and it's only slightly better with my planar headphones than the motu 828es headphone output. I was quite surprised actually. I think they're easy to drive which is why there's less difference. Some headphones are notorious for being difficult to drive and those tend to sound quite different on different amps.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2022 11:29:19 GMT -6
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Cranborne has the best headphone amp I've personally used. I've even had tin eared clients/friends in the room that are like "can I listen to the headphones out of that one? It's way better." Night and day vs Apollo HP amps. Really quite remarkable. And headroom to the moon. I have an esoteric discrete class A headphone amp in the studio and it's only slightly better with my planar headphones than the motu 828es headphone output. I was quite surprised actually. I think they're easy to drive which is why there's less difference. Some headphones are notorious for being difficult to drive and those tend to sound quite different on different amps. AKG k701's - guilty as charged
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Post by svart on Feb 9, 2022 12:31:05 GMT -6
I have an esoteric discrete class A headphone amp in the studio and it's only slightly better with my planar headphones than the motu 828es headphone output. I was quite surprised actually. I think they're easy to drive which is why there's less difference. Some headphones are notorious for being difficult to drive and those tend to sound quite different on different amps. AKG k701's - guilty as charged Ah ok. What I've read says those are really picky about the amp. Their impedance doesn't say much about how easy they should be to drive, but they have pretty low sensitivity for their impedance which would require the amp to put out considerably more voltage to reach the same volume, which is probably why they don't take well to underpowered devices.
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 9, 2022 12:59:16 GMT -6
So yeah, looked it up. The CAST link only sends summing mixer back and forth between 500ADAT and 500R8. Only two channels in each CAST jack. There's gotta be a way to do a two Cranborne setup and still get the I/O I need. Ok. I wasn’t sure either about how they would work. MOTU looks like it may offer what you want if you do decide to change. I have an 828es and am very happy with it.
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Post by dok on Feb 9, 2022 22:13:12 GMT -6
So yeah, looked it up. The CAST link only sends summing mixer back and forth between 500ADAT and 500R8. Only two channels in each CAST jack. There's gotta be a way to do a two Cranborne setup and still get the I/O I need. Ok. I wasn’t sure either about how they would work. MOTU looks like it may offer what you want if you do decide to change. I have an 828es and am very happy with it. Digging my 828es here more each time I use it, would be super fun to go Cranborne but can't justify the expense - I don't know if it would even be "better", just different, as the MOTU has pretty decent i/o. And honestly the two built-in preamps are really good.
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Post by dok on Feb 9, 2022 22:24:31 GMT -6
So yeah, looked it up. The CAST link only sends summing mixer back and forth between 500ADAT and 500R8. Only two channels in each CAST jack. There's gotta be a way to do a two Cranborne setup and still get the I/O I need. I'd maybe figure out a way to get the 4-710 into your system via a method other than ADAT, since there's only 4 preamps there. That way you could use the two ADAT inputs on the Audient and 500ADAT. That's 24 inputs including the R8, right?
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Post by paulnajar on Feb 10, 2022 0:40:46 GMT -6
We have lot's of the same gear:-) As you're looking at a way to keep the UAD plugins going then I would say the most you have to gain is in better round trip latency. If you're not doing headphones after the DAW then this may not be too important for you. For me I hate being forced by too much RTL to do the input monitor split back to headphones thing. This may be why I've been an RME devotee for some 15 years. Their RTL/ low CPU overhead is really at the head of the class.
The big shift for me in recent years was to build out a system that did not rely on the same box for converters and interface. So now I use an RME Madiface USB + 3 x Cranborne 500ADat's. This is in addition to quite a bit of other analog pre's, channeI strips, compressors that all get used during recording and mixing and some of it during mastering.
I still have my previous gen RME interface - a UFX that get's used as aux IO via Adat only. It's main role is its IO allow to access the 3 x 500Adat Headphone systems via their aux inputs and not loose 500adat inputs when tracking and also allows AES IO to connect my RME ADI-2 Pro FS R B for control room monitors & headphones. The Headphone amps in the 500Adat's are excellent IMO. As too are the converters in the Cranbornes. The 3 Cranbornes and the UFX all connect to the MADI system via an RME ADI 648 which is simply a MADI to adat converter. The whole system can manage 64 IO at 96Khz or - if I had enough boxes 128 IO at 44.1 or 48.
The same system (Madiface USB + ADI 648) would allow you 16 inputs with the gear you already own (Adat500 + UA 4-710D) you may need more outputs depending on your use case. These can be easily added via the 8 Adat ports the ADI-648 has. Both the interface + MADI converter could be had in USA (if that's where you are) for well under $2000 2nd hand. I'm in Australia and I was able to get both for around $2000 AUD. It's a bit more than the MOTU you're looking at but it may offer a more open ended and future proof approach.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 0:42:18 GMT -6
gravesnumber9 in regards to getting more Cranbornes, isn’t one of their 500 racks also an interface? Maybe look into that instead of the ADAT. And another thought, aren’t you able to easily daisy the units using Cat 5 connections? Well it's not secret how much I love that thing. Maybe there's a way to make the budget work but I would also need additional I/O. - On the CAST question (that's what they call their AVB type thing), I'm not sure if you can CAST a 500ADAT into a 500r8. I'm gonna lookin the manual to see but the marketing literature only talks about connecting them via ADAT. But here's the run, if I bought another Cranborne and used that as my interface, I would still need to figure a way to get all of my existing outboard patched in. So I think I'd need another ADAT expander? If (and ONLY if) I can connect two Cranbornes via CAST, this could work. HUB - 500r8 into Mac mini via usb Node - 500ADAT into 500r8 via CAST Node - UA 4-710 into 500r8 via ADAT Node - Audient or some such 8/8 device into 500r8 via ADAT Yeah, that would do it. I'm nervous to even look and see if it's possible. I don't think CAST works that way, I think it's limited to 2/2 which is why they have so many jacks on the back of the box. Why don't you just get an MOTU 1248 with a good returns policy and see what you think? The problem IMV is you have a lot of ad-hoc systems, if you go down the MOTU AVB route with a 500 rack then it would in essence replace everything you have. In a setup similar to mine (1248 / 16A / Heritage OST) something like a Cranborne is completely redundant and it's not like there aren't other cheaper decent racks out there. The 1248 serves as a headphone amp / monitor controller / AVB master and Thunderbolt interface (plus it'll also be an I/O expander if needed), the 16A is in short a routing mixer / patch bay. I'd have recommended the 828ES which is cheaper but at this point you might as well get rid of the monitor controller as well. Once you've sold your Apollo's, Cranbourne and monitor controller you'd be up quite a fair bit and there's nothing to stop you getting a UA Octo satellite. Then you've got a setup that's expandable way beyond any logical reason (512 I/O max in an AVB setup), plus there's also some cool features like touch console for the MOTU where you can control the mixer / functions via an Ipad if you wish. The problem here is it's going to be a major change from your existing workflow / setup but if you can get along with MOTU's matrix / mixer you're laughing. It's a setup that can last you a lifetime and an expansion will cost $1495.00 as opposed to $3.2K (or less if you get one second hand). That being said if you're just going to change it in 5 months due to a fancy I don't really see the point .. motu.com/products/proaudio/touchconsole/body.html
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 10, 2022 0:52:05 GMT -6
So yeah, looked it up. The CAST link only sends summing mixer back and forth between 500ADAT and 500R8. Only two channels in each CAST jack. There's gotta be a way to do a two Cranborne setup and still get the I/O I need. I'd maybe figure out a way to get the 4-710 into your system via a method other than ADAT, since there's only 4 preamps there. That way you could use the two ADAT inputs on the Audient and 500ADAT. That's 24 inputs including the R8, right? WARNING - LONGEST POST IN HISTORY, FEEL FREE TO NOT READ IT I like your thinking. But what's not super obvious from the gear list is that I also run four channels of Trident pres into the Line Inputs 5-8 on the 4-710. I also bypass the Tridents in my patchy during mixing and use those line inputs to patch various things into the DAW through ADAT. However. One thing that I forgot about the Cranborne's since I don't use this feature much is that each 500 slot also has an insert as well as balanced in and out. So if I were willing to do kind of the channel strip style I could pull it off though the question would be is it overly complex? Something like this. Assume a $4000 budget from selling Apollos, let's leave tax aside for easier math, doesn't have to be perfect dollar for dollar. Stay with me here, this is gonna get complicated.Cranborne 500R8 is main system ($1700 spent) Cranborne 500ADAT connects via ADAT 4-710 (w/Tridents) goes into the DAW via ADAT Let's start with tracking just to check the routing. Nothing needs to change on the 4-710. The Tridents happily send the drums to the DAW and the built in pres get used for various things. So far, status quo which is good. I'm losing 8 Unison Pre-amps which do use here and there for random "let's try this" type stuff. That leaves me with 12. That's not terrible actually but I'd probably want to add two utility type 500 series pres to take advantage of the Cranborne CAST system which I already use to put people/mic/amps in far flung parts of my house. So let's assume that we're putting two Camdens in the 500R8. ($700 more spent for a total spend of $2200 so far.) Instead of going into the x8 like they do now, I'll run my Portico 5038 through two 500R8 analog inputs. I'll run it out the same inputs when I want to mix with them. So since the Portico has EQ I'd want that to be compression and something pretty transparent. Utility compressor. I can hit it going in or bypass it, and I can hit the compressor before the Porticos in mixing or bypass. Maybe a pair of DBX 560a ($500 spent, $2700 total. I've got $1300 of free money left.) My other two pres are the Chromas which are already 500 racked. Check In, How Is The Tracking Going?
Really it sounds complicated but it's not. Everything is patched through my patchbay and most mics go through the 4-710 anyway. Really the only change is the Portico's need to get routed into some pair of 500 units which I would likely bypass in tracking anyway (or just set to brick wall limiting a few db below digital clip). Now mixing, that could get more complicated. How Would Mixing Change?
My stereo reverb and Silver Bullet currently bypass the patchbay and go straight in/out to the x8 channels 1-4. Let's deal with those first. I already know what I'll do with the SB. I can pair my two Cranborne's together to get 16 channels of summing, but since I don't have another converter in this scenario, I can only do 14 since I'll need two channels to run back into 500R8 to convert. (I've done a similar thing on the 500ADAT, it's easy). So this means I'd likely just run the summed analog signal through the SB in serial and then send it back in to two 500 spaces. I could leave those blank. Or, I could send it to the Camden spaces since I'm not likely to use those for tracking and, hey, even the Silver Bullet might benefit from some more Mojo. Done. For the Reverb I would probably want to save my bucks and send that to two blank 500 inserts. I wouldn't mind have EQ ahead of it but kind of seems like a bad place to burn budget since I can do that with a plugin via Pipeline XT in S1. Ok, so those are taken care of with relative ease. No muss no fuss there. Once they're patched in they just live there. In fact, this is arguably better because I don't have to drop Silver Bullet in as a plugin, it lives in an analog chain. If I wanted to use it as a plugin, I just reroute it into the insert instead. Easy. Now I've got Audioscape Opto, pair of DBX 160a, and PRO VLA to find I/O for. Lots of times these get chained around and they all live in the patchbay. But in mixes they often do get slapped on something by themselves so they need to be able to stand alone. Let's do it. What's Open?
I've got two analog inputs open on my 500R8 and all eight open on the 500ADAT. Let's put the VLA on the 500R8 and let's buy two DBX 530 EQ's for those slots. Clean utility EQ to go with a simple utility compressor. Perfect for the busses that I've already smashed and dirtied the crap out of. Sometimes a Wurly just needs a break from the grime, you know? (Ok, two EQ's run me another $500. $3200 spent and I'm down to $800 left of free dough.) Starting to run out of slots because I don't want to crowd out my 551's or my 535's. They get moved around so much that they can't really be part of a semi-permanent chain. So the answer is to to run the DBX 160a's into my Chroma's. They are used for similar things in mixing. Mono signals that need grit. Bass. Kick. Etc. And that leaves my favorite piece of outboard of all which is the Opto. And that one needs no home because like the RND units, it gets moved around constantly. So What's The Summary
Well, it kind of works. I think it feels a little nutty to write it out and this is probably up there with the most rambling posts in RGO history, but I think once it's set up it would be pretty smooth to operate actually. A bit concerned that I only have like four unused channels and the expandability on this thing is pretty much maxed out unless I want to get into aggregated device territory. But other than that? Not bad. So I have $700 leftover and two slots still open if I want to use them. So what's a fella to do? Why, buy two more RND 551's of course! That puts me $800 over budget but here's the breakdown of what I get for the money. What I lose...I lose the Apollos. The connectivity is a bit simpler on that system and it's already all set up. I also have a net loss of six preamps for whatever that's worth. Not really a big deal for me, 14 is plenty. I also lose 4 I/O in the net. The x8 and the Cranborne cancel out, but I'm losing my x4 as well. What I gain..- 14 channels of analog summing in a system that I know sounds good since I already have half of it - 2 fantastic headphone amps - 2 quality preamps in the Camdens that also purportedly have some tone shaping abilities. Also, they can be CAST around my house so they join the Chromas as the preamp of choice when I have people singing/playing in the rooms next door. - 2 flexible utility EQ's and two flexible utility compressors - 2 insanely beautiful EQ's Dang, that's complex. But is just might work.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 10, 2022 0:56:17 GMT -6
We have lot's of the same gear:-) As you're looking at a way to keep the UAD plugins going then I would say the most you have to gain is in better round trip latency. If you're not doing headphones after the DAW then this may not be too important for you. For me I hate being forced by too much RTL to do the input monitor split back to headphones thing. This may be why I've been an RME devotee for some 15 years. Their RTL/ low CPU overhead is really at the head of the class. The big shift for me in recent years was to build out a system that did not rely on the same box for converters and interface. So now I use an RME Madiface USB + 3 x Cranborne 500ADat's. This is in addition to quite a bit of other analog pre's, channeI strips, compressors that all get used during recording and mixing and some of it during mastering. I still have my previous gen RME interface - a UFX that get's used as aux IO via Adat only. It's main role is its IO allow to access the 3 x 500Adat Headphone systems via their aux inputs and not loose 500adat inputs when tracking and also allows AES IO to connect my RME ADI-2 Pro FS R B for control room monitors & headphones. The Headphone amps in the 500Adat's are excellent IMO. As too are the converters in the Cranbornes. The 3 Cranbornes and the UFX all connect to the MADI system via an RME ADI 648 which is simply a MADI to adat converter. The whole system can manage 64 IO at 96Khz or - if I had enough boxes 128 IO at 44.1 or 48. The same system (Madiface USB + ADI 648) would allow you 16 inputs with the gear you already own (Adat500 + UA 4-710D) you may need more outputs depending on your use case. These can be easily added via the 8 Adat ports the ADI-648 has. Both the interface + MADI converter could be had in USA (if that's where you are) for well under $2000 2nd hand. I'm in Australia and I was able to get both for around $2000 AUD. It's a bit more than the MOTU you're looking at but it may offer a more open ended and future proof approach. I'm going to look these units up. This is a variation on my 5008R plan above which I wrote a ridiculous thesis on. Great input here.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 10, 2022 1:04:14 GMT -6
Well it's not secret how much I love that thing. Maybe there's a way to make the budget work but I would also need additional I/O. - On the CAST question (that's what they call their AVB type thing), I'm not sure if you can CAST a 500ADAT into a 500r8. I'm gonna lookin the manual to see but the marketing literature only talks about connecting them via ADAT. But here's the run, if I bought another Cranborne and used that as my interface, I would still need to figure a way to get all of my existing outboard patched in. So I think I'd need another ADAT expander? If (and ONLY if) I can connect two Cranbornes via CAST, this could work. HUB - 500r8 into Mac mini via usb Node - 500ADAT into 500r8 via CAST Node - UA 4-710 into 500r8 via ADAT Node - Audient or some such 8/8 device into 500r8 via ADAT Yeah, that would do it. I'm nervous to even look and see if it's possible. I don't think CAST works that way, I think it's limited to 2/2 which is why they have so many jacks on the back of the box. Why don't you just get an MOTU 1248 with a good returns policy and see what you think? The problem IMV is you have a lot of ad-hoc systems, if you go down the MOTU AVB route with a 500 rack then it would in essence replace everything you have. In a setup similar to mine (1248 / 16A / Heritage OST) something like a Cranborne is completely redundant and it's not like there aren't other cheaper decent racks out there. The 1248 serves as a headphone amp / monitor controller / AVB master and Thunderbolt interface (plus it'll also be an I/O expander if needed), the 16A is in short a routing mixer / patch bay. I'd have recommended the 828ES which is cheaper but at this point you might as well get rid of the monitor controller as well. Once you've sold your Apollo's, Cranbourne and monitor controller you'd be up quite a fair bit and there's nothing to stop you getting a UA Octo satellite. Then you've got a setup that's expandable way beyond any logical reason (512 I/O max in an AVB setup), plus there's also some cool features like touch console for the MOTU where you can control the mixer / functions via an Ipad if you wish. The problem here is it's going to be a major change from your existing workflow / setup but if you can get along with MOTU's matrix / mixer you're laughing. It's a setup that can last you a lifetime and an expansion will cost $1495.00 as opposed to $3.2K (or less if you get one second hand). That being said if you're just going to change it in 5 months due to a fancy I don't really see the point .. motu.com/products/proaudio/touchconsole/body.htmlThis is pretty close to my alternative option. On the Cranborne, am I really netting that much if I swap it out for a cheaper 500 rack? Decent ones are still pretty pricey and the Cranborne is about $1500. I guess every dollar counts. I'm definitely not a swap things out incessantly person. In fact, the leading contending solution is probably still the Apollo's just because... devil you know I guess. One thing I don't understand. What's the value in the 1248 over the 828es? Is it just the two additional pre-amps?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 1:23:28 GMT -6
This is pretty close to my alternative option. On the Cranborne, am I really netting that much if I swap it out for a cheaper 500 rack? Decent ones are still pretty pricey and the Cranborne is about $1500. I guess every dollar counts. I'm definitely not a swap things out incessantly person. In fact, the leading contending solution is probably still the Apollo's just because... devil you know I guess. One thing I don't understand. What's the value in the 1248 over the 828es? Is it just the two additional pre-amps? Something like a Wes Audio 11 slot Supercarrier is $900.00(ish), so yeah there's a notable difference especially when you consider there's more slots / independent power supply to each slot, 5 amp seems a bit overkill but whatever.. Anyway it's good stuff. The 1248 is MOTU's studio line flagship, you get 2 additional pre's / Hi-Z inputs, more I/O, higher amount of AVB streams (16 I/O over a single cat 5 as opposed to 4 I/O on the ES) and multiple dedicated monitor outs. Apart from that they're pretty much the same. I mean ball's in your court but I prefer the converters in the MOTU.. If it's bothering you give the MOTU a try, if it doesn't work send it back and carry on. If nothing else you'll scratch that itch..
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 10, 2022 1:37:41 GMT -6
This is pretty close to my alternative option. On the Cranborne, am I really netting that much if I swap it out for a cheaper 500 rack? Decent ones are still pretty pricey and the Cranborne is about $1500. I guess every dollar counts. I'm definitely not a swap things out incessantly person. In fact, the leading contending solution is probably still the Apollo's just because... devil you know I guess. One thing I don't understand. What's the value in the 1248 over the 828es? Is it just the two additional pre-amps? Something like a Wes Audio 11 slot Supercarrier is $900.00(ish), so yeah there's a notable difference especially when you consider there's more slots / independent power supply to each slot, 5 amp seems a bit overkill but whatever.. Anyway it's good stuff. The 1248 is MOTU's studio line flagship, you get 2 additional pre's / Hi-Z inputs, more I/O, higher amount of AVB streams (16 I/O over a single cat 5 as opposed to 4 I/O on the ES) and multiple dedicated monitor outs. Apart from that they're pretty much the same. I mean ball's in your court but I prefer the converters in the MOTU.. If it's bothering you give the MOTU a try, if it doesn't work send it back and carry on. If nothing else you'll scratch that itch.. This definitely has the benefit of feeling sensible and simple. Good things. Another question that's been nagging me. With the Apollo's I'm monitoring through Console and the latency is better than anything I can get on my Mac Mini M1 monitoring through Studio One. You've used both systems recently. What's your take on the latency comparison for monitoring?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 1:55:29 GMT -6
This definitely has the benefit of feeling sensible and simple. Good things. Another question that's been nagging me. With the Apollo's I'm monitoring through Console and the latency is better than anything I can get on my Mac Mini M1 monitoring through Studio One. You've used both systems recently. What's your take on the latency comparison for monitoring? MOTU wipes the floor with the Apollo in terms of latency.. If you're tracking through console and only using UA plugs fair enough there's not much in it, the problem is VSTi's / native and every other plugin you might use. MOTU at 96 / 32 will do 1.6ms RT.. Edit: There is one thing to consider, unfortunately the MOTU studio interfaces are TB2 so you'll need an adaptor.
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