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Post by gouge on Dec 4, 2021 16:32:38 GMT -6
Thx for lewitt tip. That mic gets some serious love online
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Post by plinker on Dec 4, 2021 16:59:31 GMT -6
Thx for lewitt tip. That mic gets some serious love online Really? I was unaware. I bought it on a whim a couple of years ago because I have Lewitt condensers that I really like, and the dynamic was so inexpensive I thought it was worth the gamble.
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 4, 2021 17:00:48 GMT -6
I love the 421, one of my favorite dynamics on all kinds of instruments. It’s weird to me that people think it’s only a Tom mic, and that’s the one position I don’t favor it. Am guessing this 421, is a vintage/Pre-MKII. Chris Mine is from the early 2000’s, not vintage but I have no idea if it’s a mark ii. Don’t know if I ever looked or noticed. I just know it works well on lots of things Now if there’s some favorable vintage mojo in the older ones I’d love to know about that
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Post by chessparov on Dec 4, 2021 17:15:56 GMT -6
IMHO the old ones are somewhat darker. Less problematical, on the sibilant singer-like me
The newer ones, are the brighter neodymium based. Although my AKG D790 is also ND based, it's a thicker mic to begin with. Similar tonal voicing to Oktava 219/319. Chris
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Post by drumsound on Dec 4, 2021 18:06:32 GMT -6
I should add, I recently trotted my 421 out on electric guitar after a long absence and it was perfect for the track. Tele into a rather dark 1482. I should add, I recently trotted my 421 out on electric guitar after a long absence and it was perfect for the track. Tele into a rather dark 1482. I love the 421, one of my favorite dynamics on all kinds of instruments. It’s weird to me that people think it’s only a Tom mic, and that’s the one position I don’t favor it. I was never able to get along with a 421 on guitar amps/cabs. I did like them on toms, sometimes scratch vocals. The sound GREAT in the bell of a tuba. I think I've done trombone and trumpet with them, but once I used ribbons there, well, ya know. I sold my 3 421s to a former intern who does a lot of live things. I can borrow them if I need, but haven't.
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Post by plinker on Dec 4, 2021 18:19:16 GMT -6
BTW, 15 years ago, when I was grabbing Beyer mics, there was a seller on Ebay named (something like) "Beyer USA" out of Long Island, NY. They sold b-condition dynamics for dirt. I think I paid $140 for each of my M201 -- completely pristine. I have all the Beyer mics I need, so haven't tracked them in a long time. If you're in the market, you might still be able to find that seller on Ebay.
I forgot to mention that Tony/Drumsound's recommendation of the M88 changed my world to Beyer back then. A long overdue thanks, Tony!
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Post by Guitar on Dec 4, 2021 18:23:49 GMT -6
I excitedly opened up an M201 about 10 years ago only to discover that it was not working properly and had a messed up frequency response. Sent it back and haven't tried to get another one since, missed opportunity I guess.
I love my M88TG, though, mainly on drums and bass.
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Post by schmalzy on Dec 5, 2021 3:55:20 GMT -6
My M88 is apparently a vintage one. The guy I bought it from said he got it in the 70s. It - like my SM7B - sounds awesome anywhere I put it. I'm a little spooked about putting a vintage mic inside a kick drum like I would an SM7B but the M88 has been awesome on snare, kick out, overkick, room, guitar amp, bass amp, washboard...it's a good one! It makes me want to pick up a few more.
I haven't used a 201 but it's also on the list of mics to eventually grab. I just need a rich benefactor to refresh my dynamic mic collection with 201s and M88s!
I do some live sound for guys who use Heil PR20/PR22 and Sennheiser 835/935 mics for their vocals. It definitely makes me want to get a few of those. To my ears they sound way more usable than a 57 in the places I'd want a 57. I'm also super curious about swapping the transformers on 57s but that's a different rabbit hole to go down!
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Post by timcampbell on Dec 5, 2021 8:15:43 GMT -6
Yes the Sennheiser E800 series are really overlooked but terrific and then there is the fantastic 441.
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 5, 2021 8:45:00 GMT -6
Yes the Sennheiser E800 series are really overlooked but terrific and then there is the fantastic 441. In the music industry they are. I've done quite a lot of A/V work for conferences and The E8 series is pretty much all you see in every European convention center so it does get a lot of love but not on forums haha!
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Post by ab101 on Dec 5, 2021 13:10:58 GMT -6
I have some Neumann KMS mics for live vocals. However, I also have some Sennheiser e935s. Often I will use the Sennheisers for live work for several reasons: 1. Obviously, they sound really good. 2. More durable than the KMS mics - i.e. mics can drop on a live stage!; and 3. No worries about phantom power issues.
I have not tried the e965 LDC - condenser. I am curious if others have used it. I am also curious about which Sennheiser mics would be good on snare drum.
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Post by timcampbell on Dec 5, 2021 13:18:03 GMT -6
The vintage AKG 330 is a great snare mic
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 5, 2021 15:28:17 GMT -6
Yes the Sennheiser E800 series are really overlooked but terrific and then there is the fantastic 441. I would love to have a 441, but they’re pricey on this side of the pond.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 5, 2021 20:30:10 GMT -6
BTW, 15 years ago, when I was grabbing Beyer mics, there was a seller on Ebay named (something like) "Beyer USA" out of Long Island, NY. They sold b-condition dynamics for dirt. I think I paid $140 for each of my M201 -- completely pristine. I have all the Beyer mics I need, so haven't tracked them in a long time. If you're in the market, you might still be able to find that seller on Ebay.
I forgot to mention that Tony/Drumsound's recommendation of the M88 changed my world to Beyer back then. A long overdue thanks, Tony!
Aw, man. This warms my heart. I'm really glad I've had a positive impact here.
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Post by plinker on Dec 5, 2021 21:27:42 GMT -6
BTW, 15 years ago, when I was grabbing Beyer mics, there was a seller on Ebay named (something like) "Beyer USA" out of Long Island, NY. They sold b-condition dynamics for dirt. I think I paid $140 for each of my M201 -- completely pristine. I have all the Beyer mics I need, so haven't tracked them in a long time. If you're in the market, you might still be able to find that seller on Ebay.
I forgot to mention that Tony/Drumsound's recommendation of the M88 changed my world to Beyer back then. A long overdue thanks, Tony!
Aw, man. This warms my heart. I'm really glad I've had a positive impact here. Tony -- it was so long ago that credit goes back to the GearFace days. You mentioned your love of the M88 -- I started dating her, her sisters, and her cousins. It's kinky as hell, but I like to keep it in the family.
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Post by thirdeye on Dec 5, 2021 21:35:07 GMT -6
anyone using any of the following dynamic mics, akg d40, telefunken m81, se v7 and enjoying what it is they do. love to hear your thoughts. I like the M80 on snare. It is a little brighter, but to me it comes across as more clarity, not excessive usually. I haven't tried the M81. I really like the M82 for kick and bass cabinet. We've been using it quite a bit since getting it.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 5, 2021 22:40:56 GMT -6
Telefunken M80 (would like to try the M81 someday) ElectroVoice RE15 Audix VX5 -- this is a really nice live vocal mic, which avoids feedback well. It has a -10 pad and a low cut. Very useful.
I haven't tried one but I know the SE v7 is the vocal mic for Billy Eillish tours. Heard an interview with her sound engineer, who said they auditioned about 12 different mics. Because her voice is often low and quiet they really wanted something that didn't feedback when trying to keep her up front. They loved the v7 and have several as a backup in case of a failure, but he says they've never had one fail.
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Post by gouge on Dec 5, 2021 22:51:10 GMT -6
my shopping list looks to be
se v7 lewitt 550dm mbho mbd219 telefunken m81
i need an sm7b at some point but for now borrow one now and then.
i've gone off vintage dynamic mics. i've had a real bad run. they cost 2-3 time more because they are vintage and tend to be hit an miss at best. newer dynamic mics are dirt cheap all things considered.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 5, 2021 22:51:40 GMT -6
IMHO the primary bugaboo, on the current 57/58, is the Transformer.
I think that's why Rob Schnapf/Terry Manning/Fletcher/et al... Dig Oliver Archut's TAB-58 transformer. Chris P.S. Monkeyxx do you still like the TAB-58?
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Post by chessparov on Dec 5, 2021 22:56:22 GMT -6
my shopping list looks to be se v7 lewitt 550dm mbho mbd219 telefunken m81 i need an sm7b at some point but for now borrow one now and then. i've gone off vintage dynamic mics. i've had a real bad run. they cost 2-3 time more because they are vintage and tend to be hit an miss at best. newer dynamic mics are dirt cheap all things considered. Out of the conventional Classics, with around a $1K budget, my first 3 (starting from scratch)... M88/RE20/EV 635a. Chris
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Post by drumsound on Dec 6, 2021 1:32:37 GMT -6
Aw, man. This warms my heart. I'm really glad I've had a positive impact here. Tony -- it was so long ago that credit goes back to the GearFace days. You mentioned your love of the M88 -- I started dating her, her sisters, and her cousins. It's kinky as hell, but I like to keep it in the family.
No kink shaming from me.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 6, 2021 8:06:40 GMT -6
IMHO the primary bugaboo, on the current 57/58, is the Transformer. I think that's why Rob Schnapf/Terry Manning/Fletcher/et al... Dig Oliver Archut's TAB-58 transformer. Chris P.S. Monkeyxx do you still like the TAB-58? I have the TAB/Funk SM57, the Crimson Yellow SM57, and two modern 545 SD Unidyne III. I tend to use the STOCK SM57 on vocals, it's the best to my ear. On snare the Crimson Yellow is OK, it's got a little more brightness up top. I don't like this brightness on voice/ guitar amp. Haven't used the TAB/Funkenwerk mic in a long time. It's fine. They kind of mellowed it out a bit. The 545 SD Unidyne III, one of mine sounds better than the other one, I was using it on guitar amp for a while. I don't like it on my voice, at all. I also REMOVED THE TRANSFORMER on an SM57 once, and I hated it. I cannot recommend that mod, for my taste. Your best bet, all around, IMO, is to forget all this crap and use a stock SM57!
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Post by stratboy on Dec 6, 2021 16:16:22 GMT -6
“I do some live sound for guys who use Heil PR20/PR22 and Sennheiser 835/935 mics for their vocals. It definitely makes me want to get a few of those.”
Good, useful thread! I used SM-57 for my live vocals for years. Pre-covid, I did an acoustic gig where the house engineer offered me a Senn e835 for vocals. It sounded good in the monitors, a little more balanced and true than the 57, so I bought one. A good live mic for a good price. I use an SM7B for recording vocals with dynamics. I’m interested in trying some of these dynamics as an alternative.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 6, 2021 16:28:22 GMT -6
Inspiration struck this weekend and I had a 57 up already. Dang if it wasn’t a pretty nice vocal sound. Granted, when I actually start tracking this song my Serrano is undoubtedly coming out for vocals. Still, the 57 did a thing for sure.
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Post by mcirish on Dec 6, 2021 16:45:12 GMT -6
I've been curious about the tonal differences between an i5 and a M80. I use an i5 as sort of a brighter 57. I "think" the m80 might even be brighter than that. Possibly good on snare but I'm not sure where else I would use it. My i5 lives on the snare along with a sdc. Not sure if the M80 buys me something different.
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