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Post by gouge on Dec 4, 2021 4:31:31 GMT -6
anyone using any of the following dynamic mics, akg d40, telefunken m81, se v7 and enjoying what it is they do. love to hear your thoughts.
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 4, 2021 5:39:51 GMT -6
I find the M81 to be a really great all around dynamic.
I always liked how the M80 could minimize bleed in the vocal mic in a live recording, BUT I always found it too bright for my taste ( whether it'd be for vocals, snare or guitar amp) The 81, the little I've used it seems to have the same polar pattern but with a flatter frequency response which makes it a better mic for my applications.
The V7 can sound really good on the right vocalist, it's pretty smooth and has a nice mid bump. It's a bit more detailed than an SM58 and doesn't have that nasal thing that the 58 can really accentuate.
When I'm doing a live recording I usually shoot out a ton of dynamic mics for vocals and I'm glad I have quite a few available because once it's recorded, with the bleed and all there's just not that much you can do eq wise. For this reason I would rather have live 5 or 6 good dynamics for vocals ( sm58, V7, M81, RE15, M88) than one super expensive one like the 441 which is nice but just as hit or miss on vocals as any other mic.
Never heard the D40
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Post by recordingengineer on Dec 4, 2021 10:10:14 GMT -6
I’ve been wanting to try the M81 and M80. I finally picked up an MBHO MBD 219SC and have fallen it love with it. I still haven’t tried it on anything but vocals, but it was absolutely everything I was hoping for.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 4, 2021 10:20:43 GMT -6
I find the M81 to be a really great all around dynamic. I always liked how the M80 could minimize bleed in the vocal mic in a live recording, BUT I always found it too bright for my taste ( whether it'd be for vocals, snare or guitar amp) The 81, the little I've used it seems to have the same polar pattern but with a flatter frequency response which makes it a better mic for my applications. The V7 can sound really good on the right vocalist, it's pretty smooth and has a nice mid bump. It's a bit more detailed than an SM58 and doesn't have that nasal thing that the 58 can really accentuate. When I'm doing a live recording I usually shoot out a ton of dynamic mics for vocals and I'm glad I have quite a few available because once it's recorded, with the bleed and all there's just not that much you can do eq wise. For this reason I would rather have live 5 or 6 good dynamics for vocals ( sm58, V7, M81, RE15, M88) than one super expensive one like the 441 which is nice but just as hit or miss on vocals as any other mic. Never heard the D40 Plus one on the M80s brightness being a challenge, I did some guitar overdubs with one once that ended up poking out a bit too much as a result and we scrapped the tracks. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 4, 2021 10:22:08 GMT -6
I’ve tried the telefunken m80/m81. It’s hard for me to give a good description because it was for a live recording in an outside studio I had never tracked in before. So new room, new mic, new preamp, new monitors…all I can say is they did the job well and I liked them. And they left me wanting to try them out again.
I’m doing more and more live recordings and have debated buying a few m80’s…but it’s a tough decision because my m88 really needs a brother (or two) so I’ve been torn whether I should just get another of those.
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 4, 2021 10:51:03 GMT -6
Plus one on the M80s brightness being a challenge, I did some guitar overdubs with one once that ended up poking out a bit too much as a result and we scrapped the tracks. I tried the m80 on snare for a few sessions because it came highly recommended by an engineer I respect and each time I was like "nooooope", way too bright for my liking. Ditto on guitar cabs. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 4, 2021 11:03:59 GMT -6
I’ve tried the telefunken m80/m81. It’s hard for me to give a good description because it was for a live recording in an outside studio I had never tracked in before. So new room, new mic, new preamp, new monitors…all I can say is they did the job well and I liked them. And they left me wanting to try them out again. I’m doing more and more live recordings and have debated buying a few m80’s…but it’s a tough decision because my m88 really needs a brother (or two) so I’ve been torn whether I should just get another of those. Do you have a M201? I find it pretty wonderful for acoustic guitar, mandolin, guitar amps, snare. Even on vocals it's more linear than the M88 though it's very sensitive to pops. If you like the Beyer sound, it's a great addition. |
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Post by timcampbell on Dec 4, 2021 11:18:54 GMT -6
These days it is hard to beat Sennheiser dynamic mics. Beyerdynamic also builds some terrific dynamics. When I hear people rave about the Shure SM7 I am sure that they haven't compared it to relatively cheap sennheisers just because they are handheld mics.
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 4, 2021 11:31:10 GMT -6
I’ve tried the telefunken m80/m81. It’s hard for me to give a good description because it was for a live recording in an outside studio I had never tracked in before. So new room, new mic, new preamp, new monitors…all I can say is they did the job well and I liked them. And they left me wanting to try them out again. I’m doing more and more live recordings and have debated buying a few m80’s…but it’s a tough decision because my m88 really needs a brother (or two) so I’ve been torn whether I should just get another of those. Do you have a M201? I find it pretty wonderful for acoustic guitar, mandolin, guitar amps, snare. Even on vocals it's more linear than the M88 though it's very sensitive to pops. If you like the Beyer sound, it's a great addition. I do actually, I love the m201. My only gripe is that I only have one. Edit: so far everything I’ve tried from Beyer (m201, m88, mc930) has been great. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 4, 2021 11:33:17 GMT -6
These days it is hard to beat Sennheiser dynamic mics. Beyerdynamic also builds some terrific dynamics. When I hear people rave about the Shure SM7 I am sure that they haven't compared it to relatively cheap sennheisers just because they are handheld mics. I think most of the love for the sm7b is people realizing how good dynamics mics, in general, can be, But not realizing that there’s a host of other good dynamics other than the shure. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 4, 2021 12:01:31 GMT -6
These days it is hard to beat Sennheiser dynamic mics. Beyerdynamic also builds some terrific dynamics. When I hear people rave about the Shure SM7 I am sure that they haven't compared it to relatively cheap sennheisers just because they are handheld mics. I think most of the love for the sm7b is people realizing how good dynamics mics, in general, can be, But not realizing that there’s a host of other good dynamics other than the shure. The SM7b pales in comparison to the M201 for example for a realistic reproduction of acoustic instruments but I do think it can be pretty special for some vocals. I've been going down a dynamic rabbit hole ever since I got my Coil preamps and I still find the SM7 to be one of the top choices for a variety of vocals. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 4, 2021 12:05:08 GMT -6
Do you have a M201? I find it pretty wonderful for acoustic guitar, mandolin, guitar amps, snare. Even on vocals it's more linear than the M88 though it's very sensitive to pops. If you like the Beyer sound, it's a great addition. I do actually, I love the m201. My only gripe is that I only have one. Edit: so far everything I’ve tried from Beyer (m201, m88, mc930) has been great. I've done some drum sessions with only Beyer, M88 on kick, 201 on snare M160 on ohs 201 rack tom M88 low tom It always came out great sounding. I just picked up a vintage M69 and it's my favorite Beyer mic for vocals. I never quite got along with the M88 for vocals. |
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Post by Guitar on Dec 4, 2021 12:33:29 GMT -6
Out of the OP list, I have the SE V7, and V7X.
To me, they're a better version of the SM58. A little flatter in the mids but the same basic sound.
So in my kit, I still use SM57, but the V7 replaces the SM58 for me, which I don't keep around any more.
V7X I used on snare drum for a while. It picks up less hi hat bleed than an SM57, and has a slightly lower, deeper sound, with good punch.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 4, 2021 12:53:25 GMT -6
I've been using my V7 for scratch vocals a lot lately and it sounds quite good. I considered a scratch for a final recently. I used it on snare for a while and liked it, but I prefer the beefier sound from the ATM23he so I switched back. V7 has been on a bunch of guitar tracks since I got it.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 4, 2021 13:00:27 GMT -6
Chiming in to say you can't go wrong with Beyer mics. I have several old EVs I love as well.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 4, 2021 13:30:10 GMT -6
Chiming in to say you can't go wrong with Beyer mics. I have several old EVs I love as well. I'm also all about Beyer and old EV mics. I have 3 M88s, a M69, M201, TGX50. I've used the M380 and NC740 (I think cardioid LDC, lovely sounding) My EV collection includes 3 635a, 3 RE10, PL11, 2 ND408 and a PL20 (that needs repair). |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 4, 2021 14:16:15 GMT -6
I should add, I recently trotted my 421 out on electric guitar after a long absence and it was perfect for the track. Tele into a rather dark 1482.
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 4, 2021 14:29:36 GMT -6
I should add, I recently trotted my 421 out on electric guitar after a long absence and it was perfect for the track. Tele into a rather dark 1482. MD421 taped to a 57 is my go to for heavy distorted guitars! works for Andrew Scheps and Joe barresi! |
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Post by nudwig on Dec 4, 2021 14:30:54 GMT -6
I've done some drum sessions with only Beyer, M88 on kick, 201 on snare M160 on ohs 201 rack tom M88 low tom It always came out great sounding. I just picked up a vintage M69 and it's my favorite Beyer mic for vocals. I never quite got along with the M88 for vocals. I'm going to have to steal, uh borrow, this idea from you as I realized with my long overdue M88 I can now do this (tho the floor tom will likely remain the ATM25 as I love it in that position). To the OP I have 2 M81's. They're nice, I much prefer them to 58's for my purposes and would of loved to be a young kid starting out with these, but sadly they seem to rarely get used outside live/scratch vocals and in other tested positions they were less favored compared to my other dynamics (for example I ended up with: Snare, 201. Gtr cab, 409 and/or M88. Bass cab, ATM25, D12, M88, SM7b. Vocals, SM7b, M88, RE16 & RE18). All that said it wasn't like it was horrible in those places (except I hated the snare sound from it) it's just others seemed to handle the task better, with the exception of one female singer where it was just the ticket as it was seemingly less dry than the SM7b. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 4, 2021 14:33:19 GMT -6
I should add, I recently trotted my 421 out on electric guitar after a long absence and it was perfect for the track. Tele into a rather dark 1482. I love the 421, one of my favorite dynamics on all kinds of instruments. It’s weird to me that people think it’s only a Tom mic, and that’s the one position I don’t favor it. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 4, 2021 14:35:30 GMT -6
I'm going to have to steal, uh borrow, this idea from you as I realized with my long overdue M88 I can now do this (tho the floor tom will likely remain the ATM25 as I love it in that position). Just be sure to put a foam cover on it if you stick in the kick drum ! |
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Post by gouge on Dec 4, 2021 15:03:31 GMT -6
thanks for the comments. i should have had the m88 there from the start. currently have a bunch of sm57 variants and ev635a. have used the m201 and sm7b. love those 2 mics.
the mbho is a mic i forgot about thx for putting it back on the radar.
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Post by plinker on Dec 4, 2021 16:08:58 GMT -6
I love Beyer mics (M88, M69, M201, MC930). They all have a family flavor.
The M69 is an excellent live vocal mic. When comparing it to a beta-fitty-8, a bandmate once said, "It sounds like it's already been processed...but processed in a good way!" I think Beyer transformers give the M88/69/201 that cool flavor.
Also the Lewitt 550 DM is a really clear dynamic that seriously resists feedback and is built solid as a brick shit house. It also has the Lewitt family flavor -- clear, but smooth/un-abrasive. At only $119, its serious bang-fer-buck.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 4, 2021 16:13:21 GMT -6
I should add, I recently trotted my 421 out on electric guitar after a long absence and it was perfect for the track. Tele into a rather dark 1482. I love the 421, one of my favorite dynamics on all kinds of instruments. It’s weird to me that people think it’s only a Tom mic, and that’s the one position I don’t favor it. Am guessing this 421, is a vintage/Pre-MKII. Chris |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 4, 2021 16:31:43 GMT -6
I love the 421, one of my favorite dynamics on all kinds of instruments. It’s weird to me that people think it’s only a Tom mic, and that’s the one position I don’t favor it. Am guessing this 421, is a vintage/Pre-MKII. Chris Well, we have two. Mine is vintage, and I think that's the one we grabbed the other day. The other mic is new and works perfectly well. Fun story: I got my 421 and RE20 over a decade ago from a guy in Sonoma County (CA) who said he had played on a Nicky Hopkins solo album. He also said Dan Alexander wanted the mics too, but had been trying to talk him into driving into the city. |
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