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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 25, 2021 18:30:54 GMT -6
Bill has to pay 10% of my ever skyrocketing property taxes. Yeah but no income Taxes! I would gladly have the same overall tax liability I had in NC compared to TX even with no income tax. Our property taxes are ridiculous here.
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2021 18:46:53 GMT -6
Yeah but no income Taxes! I would gladly have the same overall tax liability I had in NC compared to TX even with no income tax. Our property taxes are ridiculous here. Yeah but my Taxes in Galveston on a $175K house were about the same as my cousins $750K house in Austin. It was the library, Park Board, Port etc.. I think we figured it out and we had 7 different entities taxing us. Then there was the insurance, I paid more than my uncle did on a 1.2million dollar house in Boca
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Post by drbill on Aug 25, 2021 19:13:07 GMT -6
People are coming one way or the other. Might as well be good people! Bill has to pay 10% of my ever skyrocketing property taxes. When I move to TX, I'll pay 10% of your property taxes. If you want, you can make it 50%, cause it ain't never gonna happen.
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Post by drbill on Aug 25, 2021 19:16:31 GMT -6
You know, strangely enough, I can't recall ever using an 1178. I might have, but if I did, I've forgotten it. Start the thread and I will learn more, and I'll probably end up wanting one. Still reeling from the biggest gear purchase right now - the second house for family member. If y'all think gear is going up in price, check out real estate in 2021..... 1178 is the world's best overheads compressor. Instantly "that thing". Other than that...well....it's pretty good on drum buss. Ha. Typical silver-face / Rev H-style 1176 tone, which is to say, kinda plain. But they *do* do something magical to OHs. I think that while a lot of times FET comps do a nice smash and tear on shells, they often end up making the cymbals harsh and kinda grainy. For whatever reason, the 1178 doesn't. Aaaanywho, honestly not worth the crazy high prices they're going for these days, but i AM kicking myself for not buying one for $1k all those years ago..... (I turned down that offer cuz at the time you could still find em for $800). I'm still holding out hope that in the never-ending drive to skyrocket the price of anything that says "Urei" on it, my beloved parametric EQs will become a hot number. Not that I'll sell, though, cuz man....those things are just awesome pieces of 70s mid-fi tech. My LA-4A though...notsomuch. Wanna see that sucker hit the $2k mark 🤣 Ha! Cool. Good stuff to know. Not sure I'll ever see a legit one again. Honestly, I can't remember ever seeing one in the past.... But if I run across one, the first thing I'm gonna do is put it on the drum overheads!!!!!
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Post by drbill on Aug 25, 2021 19:17:24 GMT -6
Time for you to move to Austin. We’ll welcome you here! Then I could swing by drbill ‘s like I do your place when I come through town. Everyone is welcome - but you're gonna have to drive further than TX....
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Post by seawell on Aug 25, 2021 19:22:55 GMT -6
Bob Clearmountain uses one side of one of his 1178 on lead vocals often. I've always wanted to try one, hopefully AudioScape makes it happen in the near future!
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Post by soundintheround on Aug 25, 2021 20:16:16 GMT -6
I think everyone is just sitting on their computers all day long checking out real estate, gear, used cars, thinking about how they can spend their government checks on something....it’s all through the roof. Give it a year and hopefully will settle back down. That’s my theory at least
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Post by soundintheround on Aug 25, 2021 20:19:28 GMT -6
What doesn’t make sense is new taxes on used gear and the corresponding raising prices.
How are people actually buying this stuff and thinking it’s a decent investment after $200+ down the drain. Wouldn’t that make prices go down.....or is there some loop hole to this I don’t know about?
Are we in a gear bubble? Is Wall Street on to us and selling derivatives and credit default swaps on our PayPal loans?
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2021 20:34:20 GMT -6
Then I could swing by drbill ‘s like I do your place when I come through town. Everyone is welcome - but you're gonna have to drive further than TX.... No offense but I’m going to take a detour to Nobtwindlers place! Ummm Beer
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Post by bossanova on Aug 25, 2021 21:34:42 GMT -6
You know, strangely enough, I can't recall ever using an 1178. I might have, but if I did, I've forgotten it. Start the thread and I will learn more, and I'll probably end up wanting one. Still reeling from the biggest gear purchase right now - the second house for family member. If y'all think gear is going up in price, check out real estate in 2021..... Time for you to move to Austin. We’ll welcome you here! Is there a secret, unlisted high-end mic dealer in Austin by chance? It’s hard to audition anything that’s not Warm gear down here.
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Post by Ward on Aug 26, 2021 6:28:23 GMT -6
We're discussing your very cogent point, bgrotto I've been driving Yetter nuts for over a year about doing an 1178
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 26, 2021 10:40:24 GMT -6
I would gladly have the same overall tax liability I had in NC compared to TX even with no income tax. Our property taxes are ridiculous here. Yeah but my Taxes in Galveston on a $175K house were about the same as my cousins $750K house in Austin. It was the library, Park Board, Port etc.. I think we figured it out and we had 7 different entities taxing us. Then there was the insurance, I paid more than my uncle did on a 1.2million dollar house in Boca All for the hallowed right of living in...Galveston.
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Post by ericn on Aug 26, 2021 11:36:43 GMT -6
Yeah but my Taxes in Galveston on a $175K house were about the same as my cousins $750K house in Austin. It was the library, Park Board, Port etc.. I think we figured it out and we had 7 different entities taxing us. Then there was the insurance, I paid more than my uncle did on a 1.2million dollar house in Boca All for the hallowed right of living in...Galveston. At least I was living the Jimmy Webb / Glenn Campbell dream! To be fair the insurance did pay in the end.
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Post by OtisGreying on Aug 26, 2021 12:14:27 GMT -6
“Fair” condition U67 for 17k on reverb. What’s a excellent/mint one go for? 27k?
It looks like most of the vintage stuff has crossed the line quite a while ago as far as being used as tools. Just investments now I think.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 26, 2021 12:46:12 GMT -6
Time for you to move to Austin. We’ll welcome you here! Is there a secret, unlisted high-end mic dealer in Austin by chance? It’s hard to audition anything that’s not Warm gear down here. Not that I know of. I think all of us are in buy and keep/return. Or rent and return then buy. Or the old classic... "borrow from a friend, return, buy".
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Post by christopher on Aug 26, 2021 13:12:38 GMT -6
All these listings have to be ‘force me to sell it’ prices, just list all your gear at prices you’d never say no to, meanwhile planning to keep it forever. And if people pay, crap.. oh well money is nice.
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Post by jmoose on Aug 26, 2021 13:36:42 GMT -6
Bob Clearmountain uses one side of one of his 1178 on lead vocals often. I've always wanted to try one, hopefully AudioScape makes it happen in the near future! Wasn't there some kind of story behind Clearmountian and his 1178? Like he got 'em from the Power Station because they were going to toss 'em or something? Feel like I'm in bizarro land. When did the 1178 become a desirable piece? Maybe its because legit "vintage" 1176 pricing went through the roof? Years ago you couldn't give 'em away and nobody liked 'em for much of anything. Was kinda viewed as the unloved step kid of the 1176... transformers replaced with opamps, no class A circuit. The dual mono mode sucked since it couldn't decouple attack & release times. Maybe there's a few things you can get away with that on... Then again I remember when I got into this mess mid 90s an 1176 was a $300 box all day long. Could find a U67 for like $1500 without much of a struggle? Was all just old junk that not many people wanted. First studio I worked at, we got a monthly (or 2 weeks?) newspaper thing, I think it had an orange cover and was called "Pro Audio Trader" or something like that. People all over the country would list their stuff with a phone number. Email was still kinda new! If only I had a time machine... Fast forward, maybe not even 5 years. Post interknot version 1.0, smackie 8 bus consoles and Digi 001 home toolz... I bought a pair of the then brand new reissue 1176 from GuiTarget. Couple months after they were announced and shipping. Paid something like $1500 each which was about the going rate for an old one, still easy to find BTW... They were a special order and the guy at GC asked me what I was going to do with a limiter? What are these things? Why don't you use the Waves L1? What's the difference?! Time flies like a banana.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 26, 2021 14:33:59 GMT -6
Bob Clearmountain uses one side of one of his 1178 on lead vocals often. I've always wanted to try one, hopefully AudioScape makes it happen in the near future! Wasn't there some kind of story behind Clearmountian and his 1178? Like he got 'em from the Power Station because they were going to toss 'em or something? Feel like I'm in bizarro land. When did the 1178 become a desirable piece? Maybe its because legit "vintage" 1176 pricing went through the roof? Years ago you couldn't give 'em away and nobody liked 'em for much of anything. Was kinda viewed as the unloved step kid of the 1176... transformers replaced with opamps, no class A circuit. The dual mono mode sucked since it couldn't decouple attack & release times. Maybe there's a few things you can get away with that on... Somewhere I have an early '90's issue of Mix with an ad blowing out the remaining new 1178's at $400 ea, or thereabouts. Yes, no one much wanted those, not over earlier 1176's. But they work for people who want less rack height! : )
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Post by bossanova on Aug 26, 2021 15:07:04 GMT -6
Is there a secret, unlisted high-end mic dealer in Austin by chance? It’s hard to audition anything that’s not Warm gear down here. Not that I know of. I think all of us are in buy and keep/return. Or rent and return then buy. Or the old classic... "borrow from a friend, return, buy". Lol...good to know. I’ve tried most of the mics I’m interested in from Rock and Roll Rentals and it’s hit that internal limit where I figure I’m better off doing “buy, keep/return” and saving money in the long run. (Or “buy, can’t return, save for that random recording in the future where you don’t want to find yourself suddenly wishing you hadn’t sold it.”)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 15:50:12 GMT -6
Bob Clearmountain uses one side of one of his 1178 on lead vocals often. I've always wanted to try one, hopefully AudioScape makes it happen in the near future! Wasn't there some kind of story behind Clearmountian and his 1178? Like he got 'em from the Power Station because they were going to toss 'em or something? Feel like I'm in bizarro land. When did the 1178 become a desirable piece? Maybe its because legit "vintage" 1176 pricing went through the roof? Years ago you couldn't give 'em away and nobody liked 'em for much of anything. Was kinda viewed as the unloved step kid of the 1176... transformers replaced with opamps, no class A circuit. The dual mono mode sucked since it couldn't decouple attack & release times. Maybe there's a few things you can get away with that on... Then again I remember when I got into this mess mid 90s an 1176 was a $300 box all day long. Could find a U67 for like $1500 without much of a struggle? Was all just old junk that not many people wanted. First studio I worked at, we got a monthly (or 2 weeks?) newspaper thing, I think it had an orange cover and was called "Pro Audio Trader" or something like that. People all over the country would list their stuff with a phone number. Email was still kinda new! If only I had a time machine... Fast forward, maybe not even 5 years. Post interknot version 1.0, smackie 8 bus consoles and Digi 001 home toolz... I bought a pair of the then brand new reissue 1176 from GuiTarget. Couple months after they were announced and shipping. Paid something like $1500 each which was about the going rate for an old one, still easy to find BTW... They were a special order and the guy at GC asked me what I was going to do with a limiter? What are these things? Why don't you use the Waves L1? What's the difference?! Time flies like a banana. Man I remember like 10 years ago everybody was saying Waves CLA-76 was exactly like hardware and it was a ridiculously 400 dollars. When I finally demoed it years ago, it wasn’t even better than what comes with DAWs. It couldn’t take the peaks off like almost any fast attack hardware compressor/limiter. Blockfish was so much better and free. The Distressor was better. The CLA-76 failed miserably as a peak limiter. So did even L1 because it just saw the samples and not the reconstructed peaks. They’d come through a lot of the time and clip stuff.
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Post by Quint on Aug 26, 2021 17:28:49 GMT -6
Not that I know of. I think all of us are in buy and keep/return. Or rent and return then buy. Or the old classic... "borrow from a friend, return, buy". Lol...good to know. I’ve tried most of the mics I’m interested in from Rock and Roll Rentals and it’s hit that internal limit where I figure I’m better off doing “buy, keep/return” and saving money in the long run. (Or “buy, can’t return, save for that random recording in the future where you don’t want to find yourself suddenly wishing you hadn’t sold it.”) R&R Rental is pretty good for renting pedals to try out. Their studio gear isn't crap, but it's not super high end either. I guess they keep stuff on hand that they feel like will reliably be rented.
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Post by winetree on Aug 26, 2021 19:25:17 GMT -6
Bob Clearmountain uses one side of one of his 1178 on lead vocals often. I've always wanted to try one, hopefully AudioScape makes it happen in the near future! Wasn't there some kind of story behind Clearmountian and his 1178? Like he got 'em from the Power Station because they were going to toss 'em or something? Feel like I'm in bizarro land. When did the 1178 become a desirable piece? Maybe its because legit "vintage" 1176 pricing went through the roof? Years ago you couldn't give 'em away and nobody liked 'em for much of anything. Was kinda viewed as the unloved step kid of the 1176... transformers replaced with opamps, no class A circuit. The dual mono mode sucked since it couldn't decouple attack & release times. Maybe there's a few things you can get away with that on... Then again I remember when I got into this mess mid 90s an 1176 was a $300 box all day long. Could find a U67 for like $1500 without much of a struggle? Was all just old junk that not many people wanted. First studio I worked at, we got a monthly (or 2 weeks?) newspaper thing, I think it had an orange cover and was called "Pro Audio Trader" or something like that. People all over the country would list their stuff with a phone number. Email was still kinda new! If only I had a time machine... Fast forward, maybe not even 5 years. Post interknot version 1.0, smackie 8 bus consoles and Digi 001 home toolz... I bought a pair of the then brand new reissue 1176 from GuiTarget. Couple months after they were announced and shipping. Paid something like $1500 each which was about the going rate for an old one, still easy to find BTW... They were a special order and the guy at GC asked me what I was going to do with a limiter? What are these things? Why don't you use the Waves L1? What's the difference?! Time flies like a banana. I agree, I bought this stuff years ago. 1176s ( D versions ) $150. each, pair of LA3As - $750, 1178 - $400. Now these common tools of the trade are crazy expensive. However out of the compressors in this rack the 1178 was the least used. I never took to the sound or action of it. So it has sat in the rack for for over 40 years. Maybe I should give it another try.
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Post by ragan on Aug 26, 2021 20:00:53 GMT -6
I played on a record once where the engineer was using an 1178 on lead vocals and some other things (drums I think). I remember thinking it sounded really great.
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Post by drbill on Aug 27, 2021 9:02:57 GMT -6
All these listings have to be ‘force me to sell it’ prices. That's how it was for me with my KM53's. I was flat out honest about it. didn't really want to sell them, but had bought a house for family member, and needed the money. Luckily for me, no one was really serious enough to make a great offer.
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Post by sean on Aug 27, 2021 10:53:24 GMT -6
I really like my 1178 on guitar, drums, and vocals.
I wish Hairball or someone else made a DIY Revision G 1176. It be cost effective built (no input transformer)
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