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Post by Ward on Aug 24, 2021 13:23:54 GMT -6
(still waiting on a good 1178 clone, though) I can almost guarantee you, you won't be waiting too much longer.
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Post by Quint on Aug 24, 2021 13:23:57 GMT -6
Working on booking a mix room for October and places with modern boutique stuff in perfect working order are topping the list over vintage esoterica. That I understand. I mean, I just did a record in Ocean Way here in Nashville and was told not to use the console... I meant that if I were trying to run a business and attract outside engineers I could see how having a rack of Neve's and some old Urei stuff is appealing. For me, running a pretty much private (only two engineers) recording studio that's not much of a concern. But I'd still like a pair of LA-3A's for myself. And, resale value is important. Having things that maintain or gain value is an important factor for me when buying microphones or outboard. And there are still some vintage values to be had out there if you are patient. Acoustics aside, isn't the console there a big part of the draw?
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 24, 2021 13:25:35 GMT -6
(still waiting on a good 1178 clone, though) I can almost guarantee you, you won't be waiting too much longer. If you mean what I think you mean, and I think you do, this is precisely what I was hoping to hear.
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Post by sean on Aug 24, 2021 13:36:33 GMT -6
That I understand. I mean, I just did a record in Ocean Way here in Nashville and was told not to use the console... I meant that if I were trying to run a business and attract outside engineers I could see how having a rack of Neve's and some old Urei stuff is appealing. For me, running a pretty much private (only two engineers) recording studio that's not much of a concern. But I'd still like a pair of LA-3A's for myself. And, resale value is important. Having things that maintain or gain value is an important factor for me when buying microphones or outboard. And there are still some vintage values to be had out there if you are patient. Acoustics aside, isn't the console there a big part of the draw? One would think! I usually don't bring my own preamps to a session but since I was told not to trust any of the 96 channels on that giant Neve, I did. It was the B room, which I don't think is as much a commercial room as the A room these days. Pretty good sounding studio though, nice and try which was good for what I was doing.
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Post by jmoose on Aug 24, 2021 13:54:57 GMT -6
Maintenance and/or lack of with "vintage" gear has certainly been a factor for a long time... decades. One item that doesn't get better with age is electronics.
Parts availability is one thing. Skilled labor is entirely another. And at this point that's probably harder to find then parts. Said in another thread recently that I was surprised to learn Michael Brauer was taking his old stuff to Black Lion for servicing... but maybe not.
At least in the greater NYC area the tech situation is pretty rough. Used to be a town that could pop a new capsule into an 87 or repair an 1176 while you waited. Today? Not so much and frankly I unloaded some of the true vintage pieces I had because its not real easy to get things fixed.
Maybe 3 or 4 years ago after several bad punches with other techs... guys who mostly seemed to not put the time into sorting out problems I tried contacting John Klett and he had a 3 or 4 year wait list. Maybe if I had dropped off my Telefunken V672's back then I'd be getting them back now?! Oh well.
One of the reasons my pals at Big Blue have an RND 5088 and not an old 80 series desk is because of the maintenance situation, and they even have a dude with tech bench in house! He fixed the U67 for me in the middle of a session last time I was up there. Obviously not everyone has that luxury.
Running a "for hire" situation is different then having a private "for your own use" studio. Outside artists = deadlines. And busted gear costs downtime & money. Someone in a private room working only on their own music? When something breaks its still a buzzmer but usually you don't have 5 people standing around burning $500 - $1500 a day.
So maybe the private home studio cat can afford to drop $7000 into an old LA2A or whatever and then run all their tracks through it. Buy only a couple 3 really excellent pieces and use them on everything. Its like having a classic car vs the daily driver.
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 24, 2021 13:59:03 GMT -6
Oh man, it's virtually impossible to find a good tech anymore. The ones I know and/or love(d) are either retired, completely mentally unhinged and unbearable/unreliable, or suffer from extreme alcoholism. Or some combination thereof. It's a sadly common thing to see the latter two amongst the tech-folk. The ones who ARE (relatively-speaking) stable and qualified all get snatched up by Berklee to maintain their monstrous network of studio/classrooms, which of course get used and abused in a way that would make the Who blush.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 14:21:11 GMT -6
Agreed, most of the good techs i used have either passed on or have semi-retired or retired.
In the past few years this has influenced me on the vintage gear to keep/sell and the vintage gear to learn to maintain myself.
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Post by Ward on Aug 24, 2021 14:54:42 GMT -6
I can almost guarantee you, you won't be waiting too much longer. If you mean what I think you mean, and I think you do, this is precisely what I was hoping to hear. I need 100 pre-rders for the initial run to take it to the boss. Can I mark you down? Anyone else want an 1178?
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 24, 2021 15:07:31 GMT -6
If you mean what I think you mean, and I think you do, this is precisely what I was hoping to hear. I need 100 pre-rders for the initial run to take it to the boss. Can I mark you down? Anyone else want an 1178? DM me some details (price, features, etc) Thanks!
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Post by EmRR on Aug 24, 2021 23:09:20 GMT -6
I wrote a long ranty thing and deleted it......
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Old shit works if you get it fully serviced/rebuilt, and have that factored into the initial cost, along with the down time between acquiring and having it reworked. Yeah, if you can't find anyone to do the work, then......I guess it turns into a future recycling problem. Stacks of unrepaired vintage gear under stacks of their unrepaired clones. There must be a business there......more than there is a recording business!!
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When does that asteroid take out the planet again?
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Post by Ward on Aug 25, 2021 6:03:23 GMT -6
I need 100 pre-rders for the initial run to take it to the boss. Can I mark you down? Anyone else want an 1178? DM me some details (price, features, etc) Thanks! I think it's time to start an official AS78 thread. Charlie, drbill and I will conspire, and bring it up the lafder . . .
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2021 7:00:37 GMT -6
I wrote a long ranty thing and deleted it...... : ) Old shit works if you get it fully serviced/rebuilt, and have that factored into the initial cost, along with the down time between acquiring and having it reworked. Yeah, if you can't find anyone to do the work, then......I guess it turns into a future recycling problem. Stacks of unrepaired vintage gear under stacks of their unrepaired clones. There must be a business there......more than there is a recording business!! : ) When does that asteroid take out the planet again? : ) The problem is nobody budgets or thinks about upkeep. It never enters the mind of most, think of all the studios you know of where nobody involved can solder a cable! The irony is it’s the cheap budget gear that really needs the maintenance I just had an Allen Heath ZED over here because A couple of faders were noisy, replacement faders cost less then trying to clean them!
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Post by drbill on Aug 25, 2021 9:28:55 GMT -6
DM me some details (price, features, etc) Thanks! I think it's time to start an official AS78 thread. Charlie, drbill and I will conspire, and bring it up the lafder . . . You know, strangely enough, I can't recall ever using an 1178. I might have, but if I did, I've forgotten it. Start the thread and I will learn more, and I'll probably end up wanting one. Still reeling from the biggest gear purchase right now - the second house for family member. If y'all think gear is going up in price, check out real estate in 2021.....
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 25, 2021 10:19:32 GMT -6
I think it's time to start an official AS78 thread. Charlie, drbill and I will conspire, and bring it up the lafder . . . You know, strangely enough, I can't recall ever using an 1178. I might have, but if I did, I've forgotten it. Start the thread and I will learn more, and I'll probably end up wanting one. Still reeling from the biggest gear purchase right now - the second house for family member. If y'all think gear is going up in price, check out real estate in 2021..... Time for you to move to Austin. We’ll welcome you here!
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Post by drbill on Aug 25, 2021 10:29:01 GMT -6
You know, strangely enough, I can't recall ever using an 1178. I might have, but if I did, I've forgotten it. Start the thread and I will learn more, and I'll probably end up wanting one. Still reeling from the biggest gear purchase right now - the second house for family member. If y'all think gear is going up in price, check out real estate in 2021..... Time for you to move to Austin. We’ll welcome you here! Haha! Thanks for the offer, but I love it where I live.
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Post by jmoose on Aug 25, 2021 14:01:25 GMT -6
The problem is nobody budgets or thinks about upkeep. It never enters the mind of most, think of all the studios you know of where nobody involved can solder a cable! Some people do think about it and others don't. Also millions of people drive around and never check the oil, or air pressure in the tires... ignore squealing belts and slap a piece of tape over the check engine light. What's the point? Some people maintain their gear and some don't. Doesn't matter what kind of "gear" it is. If I had to draw a fine line, as a great philosopher once said between clever and stupid? Based on personal first hand experience? Probably most people running a mid to large commercial "for hire" operation have a tech bench in place and can at least handle the day to day parts of keeping things running. Probably most people with home studios, including some with astounding equipment may not have much more then a set of worn out screwdrivers. There have been some notable exceptions... and some funny stories to go with 'em. I'll say this. Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted in the first place.
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Post by Hudsonic on Aug 25, 2021 15:10:22 GMT -6
Don't want any old equipment. I blame Vintage King for exaggerated prices. Ironically, whenever I post something on Reverb for sale, I get the lowest offers I've ever seen.
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2021 15:51:19 GMT -6
It’s not just vintage, there is a pair of Volt VM752 midrange drivers on eBay, current production $2K USA from a seller in Japan. Brand new pair from Solen, $1300.
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Post by Quint on Aug 25, 2021 15:52:01 GMT -6
You know, strangely enough, I can't recall ever using an 1178. I might have, but if I did, I've forgotten it. Start the thread and I will learn more, and I'll probably end up wanting one. Still reeling from the biggest gear purchase right now - the second house for family member. If y'all think gear is going up in price, check out real estate in 2021..... Time for you to move to Austin. We’ll welcome you here! Stop it with that. Too many have moved here already. When Elon Musk moved here, this shit officially jumped the shark.
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2021 16:00:41 GMT -6
Don't want any old equipment. I blame Vintage King for exaggerated prices. Ironically, whenever I post something on Reverb for sale, I get the lowest offers I've ever seen. The thing Reverb sellers don’t get with VK prices is in theory a tech has looked at ( again in theory). VK will give you a warranty and take a return. All that costs money, not VK money but for what you get you should pay a bit more than if your buying from some guy on the web. Even in the old days we all knew a broker added his fee, a dealer who stood behind his sale and had the used item even more. If you had a relationship or the Dealer or broker wanted a relationship you probably paid less. The market is as crazy as in the old days of brokers who trusted their sources having never seen the item they were selling, only now Reverb, EBay ect are the middleman.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 25, 2021 16:02:35 GMT -6
Time for you to move to Austin. We’ll welcome you here! Stop it with that. Too many have moved here already. When Elon Musk moved here, this shit officially jumped the shark. People are coming one way or the other. Might as well be good people!
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Post by Quint on Aug 25, 2021 16:06:39 GMT -6
Stop it with that. Too many have moved here already. When Elon Musk moved here, this shit officially jumped the shark. People are coming one way or the other. Might as well be good people! Bill has to pay 10% of my ever skyrocketing property taxes.
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 25, 2021 16:07:19 GMT -6
I think it's time to start an official AS78 thread. Charlie, drbill and I will conspire, and bring it up the lafder . . . You know, strangely enough, I can't recall ever using an 1178. I might have, but if I did, I've forgotten it. Start the thread and I will learn more, and I'll probably end up wanting one. Still reeling from the biggest gear purchase right now - the second house for family member. If y'all think gear is going up in price, check out real estate in 2021..... 1178 is the world's best overheads compressor. Instantly "that thing". Other than that...well....it's pretty good on drum buss. Ha. Typical silver-face / Rev H-style 1176 tone, which is to say, kinda plain. But they *do* do something magical to OHs. I think that while a lot of times FET comps do a nice smash and tear on shells, they often end up making the cymbals harsh and kinda grainy. For whatever reason, the 1178 doesn't. Aaaanywho, honestly not worth the crazy high prices they're going for these days, but i AM kicking myself for not buying one for $1k all those years ago..... (I turned down that offer cuz at the time you could still find em for $800). I'm still holding out hope that in the never-ending drive to skyrocket the price of anything that says "Urei" on it, my beloved parametric EQs will become a hot number. Not that I'll sell, though, cuz man....those things are just awesome pieces of 70s mid-fi tech. My LA-4A though...notsomuch. Wanna see that sucker hit the $2k mark 🤣
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2021 18:07:40 GMT -6
People are coming one way or the other. Might as well be good people! Bill has to pay 10% of my ever skyrocketing property taxes. Yeah but no income Taxes!
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 25, 2021 18:28:13 GMT -6
You know, strangely enough, I can't recall ever using an 1178. I might have, but if I did, I've forgotten it. Start the thread and I will learn more, and I'll probably end up wanting one. Still reeling from the biggest gear purchase right now - the second house for family member. If y'all think gear is going up in price, check out real estate in 2021..... Time for you to move to Austin. We’ll welcome you here! Then I could swing by drbill ‘s like I do your place when I come through town.
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