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Post by nick8801 on Feb 16, 2021 13:35:10 GMT -6
Worked on Safari...weird. Anyway, I love the buss comp! Nice and snappy, good push without getting smeary. Might be my favorite one yet. I’ve used a lot of other plug-in versions and never felt compelled to buy. I like the way this keeps the highs intact. Gotta mess with the channel strip more, but it seems well thought out and has a nice clear sound as well. Good deal for the pair!
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Post by brenta on Feb 16, 2021 18:24:06 GMT -6
I compared the SSL channel strip to the UAD SSL channel strip, and to the relatively ancient and out of style Native Instruments Solid Compressor. On snare I was able to get bigger, dirtier tone with more punch out of the UAD. The SSL and NI sounded good in their own right. The SSL actually sounded best for this mix as the smaller tone didn't overwhelm the mix as much.
I compared the UAD and SSL bus compressors on the overall mix. The UAD sounded a lot better for this mix, but I can see situations where the cleaner SSL sound would work better.
Overall I like the UAD a bit better, but the SSL is different enough that I bought them for this price. I'll compare them to the Wesaudio Dione when I have more time.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 16, 2021 19:32:04 GMT -6
To my ear they do not sound the same, the whole PA line has different saturation artifacts and they react very different on how hard I drive the input, like with hardware. Everything else would be stupid if PA claims to model the SSLs as close as possible. In my opinion such a statement is not fair without hearing one of the developers. The 9000 is different and sounds slightly better but it still sounds like a clipper when pushed. The E, G, and N have the same clipper on the EQ to my ears. I get why they’re made. I get why SSL approved them. I get why they have noise. I just don’t like the workflow and feel they create more work rather than getting work done. This made me measure all three N G and E today. Sorry to say it they all create different saturation artifacts to my surprise the N was the cleanest but sounds very big and punchy. I also can’t complain the workflow the logic/signal flow is pretty easy to understand. With the Key input and Gate Expander it’s a true creative tool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 2:17:17 GMT -6
This is what I meant by the SSL Native Channel Strip “truncates”. Ifs probably rounding. Here's the rounding distortion with the EQ engaged after one instance and then after about 50. I hope SSL fixes this when communicating with the DAW because the workflow is awesome.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 19, 2021 4:46:01 GMT -6
This is what I meant by the SSL Native Channel Strip truncates. Here's the truncation distortion with the EQ engaged after one instance and then after about 50. I hope SSL fixes this truncation when communicating with the DAW because the workflow is awesome.
👍 is this for sure audible?
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 19, 2021 5:50:10 GMT -6
This is what I meant by the SSL Native Channel Strip truncates. Here's the truncation distortion with the EQ engaged after one instance and then after about 50. I hope SSL fixes this truncation when communicating with the DAW because the workflow is awesome.
Hmmm so obviously I wouldn’t put 50 instances on a track, but say I have 50 tracks in a session, that distortion would show up on my master fader? What is that distortion? Just part of the channel sound? Is it audible?
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 19, 2021 6:02:07 GMT -6
This is what I meant by the SSL Native Channel Strip truncates. Here's the truncation distortion with the EQ engaged after one instance and then after about 50. I hope SSL fixes this truncation when communicating with the DAW because the workflow is awesome.
Hmmm so obviously I wouldn’t put 50 instances on a track, but say I have 50 tracks in a session, that distortion would show up on my master fader? What is that distortion? Just part of the channel sound? Is it audible?
Did the exact same measurement in LOGIC X and none (NADA NOTHING) of the truncation distortion shows up. DAWs handle plug ins different? I am keen to hear a developer on this topic as well as on the topic of aliasing back.
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 19, 2021 8:57:08 GMT -6
Hmmm so obviously I wouldn’t put 50 instances on a track, but say I have 50 tracks in a session, that distortion would show up on my master fader? What is that distortion? Just part of the channel sound? Is it audible?
Did the exact same measurement in LOGIC X and none (NADA NOTHING) of the truncation distortion shows up. DAWs handle plug ins different? I am keen to hear a developer on this topic as well as on the topic of aliasing back.
Dan looks like he is in Reaper which is my DAW...interesting....I think Reaper is 64 bit floating....not sure if that matters. I really don't think about all that stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 14:29:24 GMT -6
This is what I meant by the SSL Native Channel Strip truncates. Here's the truncation distortion with the EQ engaged after one instance and then after about 50. I hope SSL fixes this truncation when communicating with the DAW because the workflow is awesome.
Hmmm so obviously I wouldn’t put 50 instances on a track, but say I have 50 tracks in a session, that distortion would show up on my master fader? What is that distortion? Just part of the channel sound? Is it audible? It’s 64-bit floating point internal calculations rounding or truncating to 32-bit float. Hitting eq or dynamics on causes more distortion than just passing through the plugin. If your audio goes through 50 plugins like this, then yes. Then that is hitting your interface drivers, interface, and converter with even more dsp. And more might happen in the speaker if it has a digital crossover. So there will almost always be more than you see on a computer screen. Audible? I can hear it on in guitar recordings I use for truncation tests vs none at all or a cleaner eq.
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Post by svart on Feb 19, 2021 14:41:33 GMT -6
This is what I meant by the SSL Native Channel Strip truncates. Here's the truncation distortion with the EQ engaged after one instance and then after about 50. I hope SSL fixes this truncation when communicating with the DAW because the workflow is awesome.
👍 is this for sure audible? At -132dB, I'd say absolutely not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:06:56 GMT -6
👍 is this for sure audible? At -132dB, I'd say absolutely not. That’s a dangerous presumption on the limits of human perception and potential downstream processing to make. Rounding like this is audible on the harmonics of a monophonic source and a single 64-bit float to 24-bit fixed truncation is very audible if undithered. As for the effects of further downstream processing? We have no idea and can only guess. Nobody in the 80s and 90s thought that their perceptually noise shaped dithers would start blowing tweeters in systems with further dsp post 2000. Nobody in the 2000s and 2010s thought that imd near dc from bad dsp would blow woofers when played through passive systems. I’ve had both happen to me and did both checking my own work back in my careless days.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 19, 2021 16:50:29 GMT -6
Hey if it sounds good it’s good right?
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Post by levon on Feb 20, 2021 4:37:28 GMT -6
I get great punch out this for kick and snare tracks. You can also switch the EQ to the E curve, which gives it a lot more character. I love it.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 20, 2021 5:33:37 GMT -6
I always thought a little bit of crunch was part of the SSL sound anyway.
Been using the CLA MixHub more lately too, that one seems to get overlooked.
The SSL Native has been working a lot for me lately, but there was one particular acoustic guitar track that it did not work on at all, had to come off.
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Post by levon on Feb 20, 2021 7:07:11 GMT -6
True, it doesn't work on everything, but when it works...
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Post by seawell on Feb 20, 2021 10:37:44 GMT -6
I always thought a little bit of crunch was part of the SSL sound anyway. Been using the CLA MixHub more lately too, that one seems to get overlooked. The SSL Native has been working a lot for me lately, but there was one particular acoustic guitar track that it did not work on at all, had to come off. I really like mixhub too. Especially driving the mic pre to distort guitars or drums 👍🏻
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Post by Guitar on Feb 20, 2021 10:41:30 GMT -6
I always thought a little bit of crunch was part of the SSL sound anyway. Been using the CLA MixHub more lately too, that one seems to get overlooked. The SSL Native has been working a lot for me lately, but there was one particular acoustic guitar track that it did not work on at all, had to come off. I really like mixhub too. Especially driving the mic pre to distort guitars or drums 👍🏻 Oh yeah! I was using it on drums. The preamp knob was "magic" on this particular snare drum. Fattened it right up and drove the compressor more. Cool plugin. Total opposite of SSL Native in terms of coloration. It's fat and heavy, in comparison.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 20, 2021 12:26:11 GMT -6
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Post by levon on Feb 20, 2021 13:07:25 GMT -6
Interesting. In this video, the SSL Native wins for me. The UAD, surprisingly, sounds harsh in comparison. But, they model different consoles, right? Waves and UAD are the 4000E, the SSL is a newer one, as far as I know (a 9000??). Also, I wish he would have included the Brainworx SSL, that's the one I use most, again, it's a 4000 E, so different from the SSL Native plugin.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 20, 2021 16:18:22 GMT -6
Interesting. In this video, the SSL Native wins for me. The UAD, surprisingly, sounds harsh in comparison. But, they model different consoles, right? Waves and UAD are the 4000E, the SSL is a newer one, as far as I know (a 9000??). Also, I wish he would have included the Brainworx SSL, that's the one I use most, again, it's a 4000 E, so different from the SSL Native plugin.
To me those videos are useless because we talk too many variables, including the OP. He also compared the SSL and the Brainworx-SSL.
I watched this video in parts while I could not get sleep.
His conclusion was hilarious. He goes with the SSLs because the mix sounds a bit more open to him.
Sorry, but when I add a little SSLish artifacts with the Airwindows-Channel-8 on the Mixbus, the mix sounds more open.
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