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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 12, 2021 20:04:28 GMT -6
Ohm's law is a 194 year old algorithm.. Sometimes old stuff just works and reinventing the wheel stuff isn't necessary. Exactly. It worked then and it works now. It’s not like the bx_consoles are much cleaner and the Sonnox and Waves Renaissance plugs are still awesome. The bx 9000 gate is so cool though. That gate is the coolest part of the whole plug imo Interesting. I always really liked my Sonnox EQ and the Renaissance plugs. I figured I was weird because "they were old so they couldn't be as good as the new stuff".
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Post by ericn on Feb 12, 2021 20:15:22 GMT -6
Exactly. It worked then and it works now. It’s not like the bx_consoles are much cleaner and the Sonnox and Waves Renaissance plugs are still awesome. The bx 9000 gate is so cool though. That gate is the coolest part of the whole plug imo Interesting. I always really liked my Sonnox EQ and the Renaissance plugs. I figured I was weird because "they were old so they couldn't be as good as the new stuff". The thing with both Sonnox and SSL plugins is that their origins are not as colorful plugins but as the dedicated channel functions of a full digital console.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 21:27:26 GMT -6
Exactly. It worked then and it works now. It’s not like the bx_consoles are much cleaner and the Sonnox and Waves Renaissance plugs are still awesome. The bx 9000 gate is so cool though. That gate is the coolest part of the whole plug imo Interesting. I always really liked my Sonnox EQ and the Renaissance plugs. I figured I was weird because "they were old so they couldn't be as good as the new stuff". They were just standard digital plugs that did some unique things. Sonnox is still at it but I don’t know what happened to Waves. REQ and RComp did some very interesting, unique, and useful things. Clearly very smart people designed them if you read the old manuals. What happened? I’ve hated most of their analog emulations except for the HLS and some of the Abbey Road stuff www.esm.rochester.edu/ears/docs/waves/pluggins/REQ.pdfwww.esm.rochester.edu/ears/docs/waves/pluggins/RComp.pdfYou can beat both easily now but they still work and a lot of the best modern plugins took ideas from them. Kotelnikov and Molot have modes directly influenced by Renaissance Compressor.
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Post by RealNoob on Feb 12, 2021 22:03:09 GMT -6
I'd like to hear some opinions or shootouts on the ChannelStrip compared to the usual suspects, e.g. the Plugin Alliance versions. Not sure I'm going to have much time to try these out over the next few days. I think I actually like the layout of this Channelstrip more than the PA one. I know that's hilarious, as PA is just making it look like the actual channel on a console. I sold my console one intending to use SSL Native. I mixed a song and liked it. I bought the PA SSL 9000J, killed my SSL subscription and remixed the song. Comparing the two mixes, the SSL mix sounds good. The PA9000J mix had more detail in the mids and an open top end.
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Post by svart on Feb 12, 2021 22:39:38 GMT -6
So I tested these compared to the waves versions.
The bus compressor is more aggressive in the SSL brand version than the waves. The bottom end is more pronounced too.
The channel strip EQ is nearly the same when put in E mode. The compressor in the SSL brand version is much more aggressive.
Overall they're slightly less plastic sounding compared to the waves.
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Post by mike on Feb 13, 2021 9:36:29 GMT -6
Here's a SSL Buss comp shootout that starts with the hardware around the video 3:45 mark and a slew of different plugin versions to compare following it. the SSL buss comp plugin is around the 5 minute mark.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 12:17:13 GMT -6
Here's a SSL Buss comp shootout that starts with the hardware around the video 3:45 mark and a slew of different plugin versions to compare following it. the SSL buss comp plugin is around the 5 minute mark. The hardware kills all the plugs. They all sound monaural and don't have the ambience, width, and distortion of the hardware. All of them bring out different things. The hardware makes the mix sound better. The plugs mostly just make it slightly worse.
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Post by seawell on Feb 13, 2021 13:19:13 GMT -6
I'd like to hear some opinions or shootouts on the ChannelStrip compared to the usual suspects, e.g. the Plugin Alliance versions. Not sure I'm going to have much time to try these out over the next few days. I think I actually like the layout of this Channelstrip more than the PA one. I know that's hilarious, as PA is just making it look like the actual channel on a console. Same here, love the layout! It is laid out exactly like the eq section on the D-Control so it’s perfect! This has become my favorite SSL channel strip plug in.
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Post by mhbunch on Feb 13, 2021 13:45:23 GMT -6
Here's a SSL Buss comp shootout that starts with the hardware around the video 3:45 mark and a slew of different plugin versions to compare following it. the SSL buss comp plugin is around the 5 minute mark. Well the hardware clearly wins here. The Townhouse is the closest to the hardware to me. But it is doing that widening thing that it does - I wish you could have the option to turn that off because sometimes its too much. Still its my favorite ssl bus plugin. The bass is really where the difference is in the plugins compared to the hw.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 13:52:45 GMT -6
I just demoed the SSL Native and the Oxford EQ and Dynamics. First thing, I hate the perspective on the GUI. Second thing, SSL made me download a 1 gb installer to get these. This is almost Waves annoying.
The SSL EQ has no harmonics. They are just like what's in your DAW except for the SSL curves. They're de-cramped at 44.1 and 48 khz. Bus compressor isn't the worst SSL bus. The workflow is very simple.
The Oxford workflow is weirder but more flexible. I hate how the Dynamics plugin is laid out where you have to click around it to get the Gate, Compressor, Warmth, etc. The EQ has a much wider variety of shapes and Q values and de-cramped so the frequency is as displayed but it still has some phase issues at 44.1 and 48 kHz. The dynamics remind me of Renaissance Comp somewhat but harder to use. The high end is much better than on the SSL Native channel and bus compressors. The warmth function is a nice built in waveshaper. Oxford Dynamics has a built in hold and produces no harmonics in the high end. Just like Rcomp. Inflator of course is a legendary instant special effect.
Conclusion: There's no reason to really buy these in 2020 unless you want some of the weird and cool stuff Oxford does or want a digitally clean SSL workflow with a dynamic processing that still sounds like old DSP. The dynamics are still much better than what comes stock with your DAW. I'm uninstalling the SSL Native bundle.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 13, 2021 15:28:32 GMT -6
Conclusion: There's no reason to really buy these in 2020 unless you want some of the weird and cool stuff Oxford does or want a digitally clean SSL workflow with a dynamic processing that still sounds like old DSP. The dynamics are still much better than what comes stock with your DAW. I'm uninstalling the SSL Native bundle. 2021
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 13, 2021 15:38:02 GMT -6
The 1GB download is a bummer, thanks for the heads up! I now have three options for ITB SSL Comp: "old DSP" SSL, Slate (which has an extra transformer added) and Townhouse (which is not an exact clone either). If none of those does it for me on a particular mix, I don't think any other will...
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 13, 2021 15:53:42 GMT -6
I just demoed the SSL Native and the Oxford EQ and Dynamics. First thing, I hate the perspective on the GUI. Second thing, SSL made me download a 1 gb installer to get these. This is almost Waves annoying. The SSL EQ has no harmonics. They are just like what's in your DAW except for the SSL curves. They're cramped at 44.1 and 48 khz. Bus compressor isn't the worst SSL bus. The workflow is very simple. The Oxford workflow is weirder but more flexible. I hate how the Dynamics plugin is laid out where you have to click around it to get the Gate, Compressor, Warmth, etc. The EQ has a much wider variety of shapes and Q values and de-cramped so the frequency is as displayed but it still has some phase issues at 44.1 and 48 kHz. The dynamics remind me of Renaissance Comp somewhat but harder to use. The high end is much better than on the SSL Native channel and bus compressors. The warmth function is a nice built in waveshaper. Oxford Dynamics has a built in hold and produces no harmonics in the high end. Just like Rcomp. Inflator of course is a legendary instant special effect. Conclusion: There's no reason to really buy these in 2020 unless you want some of the weird and cool stuff Oxford does or want a digitally clean SSL workflow with a dynamic processing that still sounds like old DSP. The dynamics are still much better than what comes stock with your DAW. I'm uninstalling the SSL Native bundle.
This thread made me listening to 80s mixes knowing they were done on SSLs It always jumps in my ear the gritty-bite sound, my guesswork they loved to crank the line inputs special on LVs.
Check 1234 on PA G and E and I get the same gritty bite sound. We have the SSL sound in the box today....
I have no need for SSL by SSL if I already have SSL by SSL compiled by PA...
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Post by seawell on Feb 13, 2021 15:58:43 GMT -6
I just demoed the SSL Native and the Oxford EQ and Dynamics. First thing, I hate the perspective on the GUI. Second thing, SSL made me download a 1 gb installer to get these. This is almost Waves annoying. The SSL EQ has no harmonics. They are just like what's in your DAW except for the SSL curves. They're cramped at 44.1 and 48 khz. Bus compressor isn't the worst SSL bus. The workflow is very simple. The Oxford workflow is weirder but more flexible. I hate how the Dynamics plugin is laid out where you have to click around it to get the Gate, Compressor, Warmth, etc. The EQ has a much wider variety of shapes and Q values and de-cramped so the frequency is as displayed but it still has some phase issues at 44.1 and 48 kHz. The dynamics remind me of Renaissance Comp somewhat but harder to use. The high end is much better than on the SSL Native channel and bus compressors. The warmth function is a nice built in waveshaper. Oxford Dynamics has a built in hold and produces no harmonics in the high end. Just like Rcomp. Inflator of course is a legendary instant special effect. Conclusion: There's no reason to really buy these in 2020 unless you want some of the weird and cool stuff Oxford does or want a digitally clean SSL workflow with a dynamic processing that still sounds like old DSP. The dynamics are still much better than what comes stock with your DAW. I'm uninstalling the SSL Native bundle. I actually like the cleaner/up front sound of the ssl native over the others. I can be pretty heavy handed in the color department with pres and compressors on the way in though so maybe that’s why? Anyway, I dig it, especially at this price.
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Post by svart on Feb 13, 2021 16:08:42 GMT -6
I just demoed the SSL Native and the Oxford EQ and Dynamics. First thing, I hate the perspective on the GUI. Second thing, SSL made me download a 1 gb installer to get these. This is almost Waves annoying. The SSL EQ has no harmonics. They are just like what's in your DAW except for the SSL curves. They're cramped at 44.1 and 48 khz. Bus compressor isn't the worst SSL bus. The workflow is very simple. The Oxford workflow is weirder but more flexible. I hate how the Dynamics plugin is laid out where you have to click around it to get the Gate, Compressor, Warmth, etc. The EQ has a much wider variety of shapes and Q values and de-cramped so the frequency is as displayed but it still has some phase issues at 44.1 and 48 kHz. The dynamics remind me of Renaissance Comp somewhat but harder to use. The high end is much better than on the SSL Native channel and bus compressors. The warmth function is a nice built in waveshaper. Oxford Dynamics has a built in hold and produces no harmonics in the high end. Just like Rcomp. Inflator of course is a legendary instant special effect. Conclusion: There's no reason to really buy these in 2020 unless you want some of the weird and cool stuff Oxford does or want a digitally clean SSL workflow with a dynamic processing that still sounds like old DSP. The dynamics are still much better than what comes stock with your DAW. I'm uninstalling the SSL Native bundle. I actually like the cleaner/up front sound of the ssl native over the others. I can be pretty heavy handed in the color department with pres and compressors on the way in though so maybe that’s why? Anyway, I dig it, especially at this price. I'm with you. I think they sound better than others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 16:47:16 GMT -6
I actually like the cleaner/up front sound of the ssl native over the others. I can be pretty heavy handed in the color department with pres and compressors on the way in though so maybe that’s why? Anyway, I dig it, especially at this price. I'm with you. I think they sound better than others. It lacks that digital grind and weird low end of some of the other SSL plugs that try to sound too analog and fail.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 13, 2021 17:50:22 GMT -6
I actually like the cleaner/up front sound of the ssl native over the others. I can be pretty heavy handed in the color department with pres and compressors on the way in though so maybe that’s why? Anyway, I dig it, especially at this price. Same here. Clean EQ is very useful to me considering I can get saturation going in so many other places, it just sounds good on a lot of my tracks. And those SSL curves are regarded also because they work. I love that sound. I think I have 6 different SSL channel strips in my folder now, which is ridiculous, six different brands.
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Post by seawell on Feb 13, 2021 17:57:49 GMT -6
It's weird, I liked the BX Console versions initially but for some reason the cumulative result of using them across a whole mix has always fallen kind of flat for me. I've had better results with Acustica Sand(but the CPU hit is a pain) and CLA Mixhub. Mixhub is pretty cool when you want to drive the mic pre section to dirty up a guitar or drum track. Also, be sure to click the E option on the SSL Native if you haven't yet, it sounds quite a bit different and isn't as clean/forward as the default(G Series) eq.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2021 18:04:27 GMT -6
You select what gets loaded right , so you can select just the 2 plugs ?
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Post by Guitar on Feb 13, 2021 18:12:08 GMT -6
You select what gets loaded right , so you can select just the 2 plugs ? If you're talking about the installer, yeah just install the ones you want to use or demo. It only took me 1 or 2 minutes to download the 1.1GB installer, I thought it was pretty easy.
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Post by craigmorris74 on Feb 13, 2021 19:15:27 GMT -6
I'm pretty confident that video has the hardware 1-2 dB louder than everything else, or they're hitting the hardware harder.
I've done a side by side comparison with the hardware and SSL native before, and the difference isn't that big.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 13, 2021 19:18:07 GMT -6
It's weird, I liked the BX Console versions initially but for some reason the cumulative result of using them across a whole mix has always fallen kind of flat for me. I've had better results with Acustica Sand(but the CPU hit is a pain) and CLA Mixhub. Mixhub is pretty cool when you want to drive the mic pre section to dirty up a guitar or drum track. Also, be sure to click the E option on the SSL Native if you haven't yet, it sounds quite a bit different and isn't as clean/forward as the default(G Series) eq. I think the bx SSLs do exactly what I have paid for. Except that I can dial in or out the gritty sound which comes in handy on some sources. Reading the manual is important in the beginning I used it wrong😫
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 13, 2021 19:24:06 GMT -6
I'm pretty confident that video has the hardware 1-2 dB louder than everything else, or they're hitting the hardware harder. I've done a side by side comparison with the hardware and SSL native before, and the difference isn't that big. When I sold my GSSL compressor I compared it to the Waves SSL and the Glue. IMO the Glue killed the Hardware when used with over sampling....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 19:42:08 GMT -6
I'm pretty confident that video has the hardware 1-2 dB louder than everything else, or they're hitting the hardware harder. I've done a side by side comparison with the hardware and SSL native before, and the difference isn't that big. The hardware has different distortion from SSL Native and most of the plugs. The SSL Native has no even order distortion. The Glue does but it doesn't sound like hardware and only starts behaving well at higher oversampling rates. 16x linear phase is a CPU hammer.
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Post by seawell on Feb 13, 2021 19:45:25 GMT -6
I've been meaning to test out some buss comp plug ins against my Smart C1LA. Could be interesting.
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