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Post by seawell on Feb 13, 2021 20:20:26 GMT -6
It's weird, I liked the BX Console versions initially but for some reason the cumulative result of using them across a whole mix has always fallen kind of flat for me. I've had better results with Acustica Sand(but the CPU hit is a pain) and CLA Mixhub. Mixhub is pretty cool when you want to drive the mic pre section to dirty up a guitar or drum track. Also, be sure to click the E option on the SSL Native if you haven't yet, it sounds quite a bit different and isn't as clean/forward as the default(G Series) eq. I think the bx SSLs do exactly what I have paid for. Except that I can dial in or out the gritty sound which comes in handy on some sources. Reading the manual is important in the beginning I used it wrong😫 Interesting! What adjustments did you make that made it work better for you?
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Post by mhbunch on Feb 13, 2021 23:28:52 GMT -6
I'm pretty confident that video has the hardware 1-2 dB louder than everything else, or they're hitting the hardware harder. I've done a side by side comparison with the hardware and SSL native before, and the difference isn't that big. When I sold my GSSL compressor I compared it to the Waves SSL and the Glue. IMO the Glue killed the Hardware when used with over sampling.... Did you have a turbo board on your gssl?
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 14, 2021 3:58:10 GMT -6
I think the bx SSLs do exactly what I have paid for. Except that I can dial in or out the gritty sound which comes in handy on some sources. Reading the manual is important in the beginning I used it wrong😫 Interesting! What adjustments did you make that made it work better for you?
Yeah, the layout can be pretty confusing you see in one of my posts here that I still misunderstood the Analog knob. For the rest I follow the advises Dirk gives in the manual.
He is reminding users that it's not a real console but needs to be treated as one. Using the gates and playing around with THD and Noise Knobs.
The biggest difference to me is to hit the TMT all random button as long I can hear that extra bigness. And yes you can ride the input hot too, and it mimics the 27 db headroom too. (If I remember right a 4K is having 27db over zero)
With hardware, I act more fearless more rude and I try to remember that all the time when I use plug ins. Do something unusual and see if this helps and most of the time it does.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 14, 2021 6:35:47 GMT -6
I'm pretty confident that video has the hardware 1-2 dB louder than everything else, or they're hitting the hardware harder. I've done a side by side comparison with the hardware and SSL native before, and the difference isn't that big. Yeah I think you're right, I think it was louder. It's a shame too because it sounds really good but that kind of upsets the comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 16:07:45 GMT -6
Reinstalled and agree with svart and seawell. SSL makes the best SSL channel strip for sound and workflow. There's no stupid clipper on the EQ, no stupid TMNT stereo channel imbalance, no stupid drive dirt knob, no stupid plastic fake analog timbre, no stupid noise floor, no stupid GUI, and no stupid bucket workflow that's a bitch to setup. You don't need annoying fake analog gainstaging without clear VU meters and the channel strip compressor doesn't start clicking.
I compared it to the bx_9000 and just using the bx_9000 felt awful. It's not console like. It's not vertical. It's chopped up spread out and weird. Picasso-like. And it has a lot of stupid stuff in it. Meanwhile SSL Native is simple. Left to right, lows to highs. The SSL Native strip is just 64-bit float and the only stupid thing it does is truncate to 32-bit float to send it back to the DAW like FabFilter and Waves. That's a limit of Pro Tools and not other DAWs. Sonnox doesn't do this, and is more surgical and precise in general, but the workflow is slower and gui makes less sense mixing on the fly.
I have to hand it to SSL and Sonnox for keeping their plugs up to date.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 14, 2021 17:09:53 GMT -6
I demoed the bx a while back and didn’t spend enough time with it but just thought the mix sounded dirty: ssl dirty? Didn’t make sense to me.
UA was nice but expensive and dsp intensive.
SSL at $25 usd plus g comp for another $25, seemed pretty sweet to me !
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Post by RealNoob on Feb 14, 2021 17:22:35 GMT -6
Reinstalled and agree with svart and seawell. SSL makes the best SSL channel strip for sound and workflow. There's no stupid clipper on the EQ, no stupid TMNT stereo channel imbalance, no stupid drive dirt knob, no stupid plastic fake analog timbre, no stupid noise floor, no stupid GUI, and no stupid bucket workflow that's a bitch to setup. You don't need annoying fake analog gainstaging without clear VU meters and the channel strip compressor doesn't start clicking. I compared it to the bx_9000 and just using the bx_9000 felt awful. It's not console like. It's not vertical. It's chopped up spread out and weird. Picasso-like. And it has a lot of stupid stuff in it. Meanwhile SSL Native is simple. Left to right, lows to highs. The SSL Native strip is just 64-bit float and the only stupid thing it does is truncate to 32-bit float to send it back to the DAW like FabFilter and Waves. That's a limit of Pro Tools and not other DAWs. Sonnox doesn't do this, and is more surgical and precise in general, but the workflow is slower and gui makes less sense mixing on the fly. I have to hand it to SSL and Sonnox for keeping their plugs up to date. outside of layout, what did you not like with the 9000 and why?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 18:26:18 GMT -6
Reinstalled and agree with svart and seawell. SSL makes the best SSL channel strip for sound and workflow. There's no stupid clipper on the EQ, no stupid TMNT stereo channel imbalance, no stupid drive dirt knob, no stupid plastic fake analog timbre, no stupid noise floor, no stupid GUI, and no stupid bucket workflow that's a bitch to setup. You don't need annoying fake analog gainstaging without clear VU meters and the channel strip compressor doesn't start clicking. I compared it to the bx_9000 and just using the bx_9000 felt awful. It's not console like. It's not vertical. It's chopped up spread out and weird. Picasso-like. And it has a lot of stupid stuff in it. Meanwhile SSL Native is simple. Left to right, lows to highs. The SSL Native strip is just 64-bit float and the only stupid thing it does is truncate to 32-bit float to send it back to the DAW like FabFilter and Waves. That's a limit of Pro Tools and not other DAWs. Sonnox doesn't do this, and is more surgical and precise in general, but the workflow is slower and gui makes less sense mixing on the fly. I have to hand it to SSL and Sonnox for keeping their plugs up to date. outside of layout, what did you not like with the 9000 and why? 1. It doesn't sound Super Analogue. Modern SSL gear has this sound to it and that sound is pretty good. 2. The compressor isn't great. 3. The V-gain is just noise like an 10 year old Waves plug. 4. TMNT is stupid. We have perfect tolerance now. This is digital. Perfect Sound Forever like a CD. 5. The harmonics are only on the EQ and are just an aliased clipper. There's no pushing into it. 6. You have to calibrate and gainstage into it or lights flash. 7. Wasted GUI space on the stupid stuff covering up things in the DAW that I might want to see when I use it.
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Post by superwack on Feb 14, 2021 19:47:12 GMT -6
outside of layout, what did you not like with the 9000 and why? 1. It doesn't sound Super Analogue. Modern SSL gear has this sound to it and that sound is pretty good. 2. The compressor isn't great. 3. The V-gain is just noise like an 10 year old Waves plug. 4. TMNT is stupid. We have perfect tolerance now. This is digital. Perfect Sound Forever like a CD. 5. The harmonics are only on the EQ and are just an aliased clipper. There's no pushing into it. 6. You have to calibrate and gainstage into it or lights flash. 7. Wasted GUI space on the stupid stuff covering up things in the DAW that I might want to see when I use it.
Quick / dumb question : how do you tell something is just a clipper or a waveshaper vs actual distortion/saturation? Can you see it in Plugin Doctor and/or is it something you can hear (if so what are you listening for?)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 20:41:19 GMT -6
1. It doesn't sound Super Analogue. Modern SSL gear has this sound to it and that sound is pretty good. 2. The compressor isn't great. 3. The V-gain is just noise like an 10 year old Waves plug. 4. TMNT is stupid. We have perfect tolerance now. This is digital. Perfect Sound Forever like a CD. 5. The harmonics are only on the EQ and are just an aliased clipper. There's no pushing into it. 6. You have to calibrate and gainstage into it or lights flash. 7. Wasted GUI space on the stupid stuff covering up things in the DAW that I might want to see when I use it.
Quick / dumb question : how do you tell something is just a clipper or a waveshaper vs actual distortion/saturation? Can you see it in Plugin Doctor and/or is it something you can hear (if so what are you listening for?) They all start sounding similar when you've heard enough plugs. You can check them out in the Hammerstein function of Plugin Doctor and see if the harmonics correspond to common functions. This is not a slight against plugs that do it right. Some very cool plugs like Inflator, True Iron, and VQA-154 are mostly waveshapers with little frequency dependent harmonics. It's just when you claim to analog model something, most analog gear does not behave like that.
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Post by RealNoob on Feb 14, 2021 22:13:53 GMT -6
Quick / dumb question : how do you tell something is just a clipper or a waveshaper vs actual distortion/saturation? Can you see it in Plugin Doctor and/or is it something you can hear (if so what are you listening for?) They all start sounding similar when you've heard enough plugs. You can check them out in the Hammerstein function of Plugin Doctor and see if the harmonics correspond to common functions. This is not a slight against plugs that do it right. Some very cool plugs like Inflator, True Iron, and VQA-154 are mostly waveshapers with little frequency dependent harmonics. It's just when you claim to analog model something, most analog gear does not behave like that. This is not a slam, just an observation. you seem to not like many plugins and comment a lot about channel strips. Based on sound alone, are there 2-3 that you think are done well - with character - putting the SSL Native aside?
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 14, 2021 22:25:55 GMT -6
I bought em. It's a good deal. Why not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 22:54:25 GMT -6
They all start sounding similar when you've heard enough plugs. You can check them out in the Hammerstein function of Plugin Doctor and see if the harmonics correspond to common functions. This is not a slight against plugs that do it right. Some very cool plugs like Inflator, True Iron, and VQA-154 are mostly waveshapers with little frequency dependent harmonics. It's just when you claim to analog model something, most analog gear does not behave like that. This is not a slam, just an observation. you seem to not like many plugins and comment a lot about channel strips. Based on sound alone, are there 2-3 that you think are done well - with character - putting the SSL Native aside? Character? That's rare in a strip outside of nice curves in a very usable strip.
1. PSP Infinistrip has the most around. Gainstage the pre emulations if you use them. The 70s Nevey one will get boxy and farty otherwise. The De-Esser on this is like driving a tank to a knife fight. 2. McDSP. Weird treble but it works and no CPU. It also has the most weird modules but McDSP is weird on Windows. 3. Eventide Ultrachannel has delays built in if you ever need that in a channel strip for any reason despite the dated GUI. It's not great but it's one of a kind. 4. The one in Cubase. 5. Build your own. Combine a bunch of Sonnox, Tokyo Dawn, or Fabfilter plugs and get better than all of these. Of course it won't be zero latency for the latter two if you want the best performance. You'll get better sound but won't work as quickly. But you'll be able to solve more problems along the way that you might have to go back and fix. Slick EQ GE works so fast for me now and with the Japanese mode, I rarely need to get out a parametric eq to notch.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 15, 2021 13:55:05 GMT -6
Finally got a few minutes to try the SSL bus compressor. I like it!!!
It does seem to be calibrated with an expectation of hot ITB signals. Compared to my hardware, it looks like the plugin is 0VU = -14 dBFS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 14:37:20 GMT -6
The only bad part of these SSL native plugs are that they have distortion from the 64-bit float internal depth truncated to 32-bit float for output to the daw. This adds a digital grunge to the sound vs Sonnox and Tokyo Dawn. You’re not going to notice if you use Pro Tools because Pro Tools does that truncation for all plugs.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 15, 2021 15:45:37 GMT -6
Quick / dumb question : how do you tell something is just a clipper or a waveshaper vs actual distortion/saturation? Can you see it in Plugin Doctor and/or is it something you can hear (if so what are you listening for?) They all start sounding similar when you've heard enough plugs. You can check them out in the Hammerstein function of Plugin Doctor and see if the harmonics correspond to common functions. This is not a slight against plugs that do it right. Some very cool plugs like Inflator, True Iron, and VQA-154 are mostly waveshapers with little frequency dependent harmonics. It's just when you claim to analog model something, most analog gear does not behave like that. To my ear they do not sound the same, the whole PA line has different saturation artifacts and they react very different on how hard I drive the input, like with hardware. Everything else would be stupid if PA claims to model the SSLs as close as possible. In my opinion such a statement is not fair without hearing one of the developers.
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Post by craigmorris74 on Feb 15, 2021 20:30:55 GMT -6
I think a lot of people would have trouble distinguishing the difference in the color of different desks based around IC's with fonts of negative feedback. There's that really nice zone when you push the gain them "splat", typically.
Distinguishing between the pushed sound of a Neve vs an API is pretty easy by comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 21:26:08 GMT -6
They all start sounding similar when you've heard enough plugs. You can check them out in the Hammerstein function of Plugin Doctor and see if the harmonics correspond to common functions. This is not a slight against plugs that do it right. Some very cool plugs like Inflator, True Iron, and VQA-154 are mostly waveshapers with little frequency dependent harmonics. It's just when you claim to analog model something, most analog gear does not behave like that. To my ear they do not sound the same, the whole PA line has different saturation artifacts and they react very different on how hard I drive the input, like with hardware. Everything else would be stupid if PA claims to model the SSLs as close as possible. In my opinion such a statement is not fair without hearing one of the developers. The 9000 is different and sounds slightly better but it still sounds like a clipper when pushed. The E, G, and N have the same clipper on the EQ to my ears. I get why they’re made. I get why SSL approved them. I get why they have noise. I just don’t like the workflow and feel they create more work rather than getting work done.
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Post by sean on Feb 15, 2021 22:14:02 GMT -6
How is the gate and dynamics on the SSL plug-in?
That’s where the BX is really lacking for me. I got a bit addicted to the EQ when mixing a rock record...definitely can do that 8K boosted bright thing.
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Post by ragan on Feb 15, 2021 22:17:45 GMT -6
How is the gate and dynamics on the SSL plug-in? That’s where the BX is really lacking for me. I got a bit addicted to the EQ when mixing a rock record...definitely can do that 8K boosted bright thing. Do you have the 9000J? I love the EQs on the BX E and G but never totally loved the dynamics section. The 9000J satisfied that part and just sounds all around badass to me (I mostly use the E eq curves, fwiw).
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 16, 2021 9:09:42 GMT -6
How is the gate and dynamics on the SSL plug-in? That’s where the BX is really lacking for me. I got a bit addicted to the EQ when mixing a rock record...definitely can do that 8K boosted bright thing. I think the gate is not as responsive as the Waves one. For the rest I think the EQs react very similar they have a similar style.
To my ear the PA SSLs react to the input gain, too hot changes the reaction of the whole circuit.
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 16, 2021 10:41:33 GMT -6
What am I missing here....I went to the site to buy these, said I needed to register. I did, but there is no place to enter a password. When I ask for an email to reset the password, I get nothing....what am I doing wrong?
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 16, 2021 11:53:44 GMT -6
What am I missing here....I went to the site to buy these, said I needed to register. I did, but there is no place to enter a password. When I ask for an email to reset the password, I get nothing....what am I doing wrong?
Those Issues are most browser related change your browser I often use Google Chrome when everything fails.
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 16, 2021 12:02:57 GMT -6
I’m on chrome...maybe I’ll try Safari....
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Post by mike on Feb 16, 2021 12:45:23 GMT -6
Looks like you can also buy it through Sweetwater for the same sale price. They usually automatically send you download links via email though I've not tried buying this one yet.
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