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Post by mrholmes on May 1, 2020 16:53:27 GMT -6
This may seem like a suggestion from another end completely, but my friend has had great results with his Lewitt 640 mic. He's on his second album with it now. You may want to research the lower priced Lewitt's, they're kind of like AKG's but warmer and fuller. There's also this. I'm sure it's mostly a Chinese rebadge with a little tweaking, but a friend recorded the NY Philharmonic with Schoeps SDC's and at the same time for fun, recorded with the cheap Gauge-USA mics. The conductor and producer chose the Guage for their record! www.gauge-usa.com/collections/microphones/products/ecm-84-condenser-microphone
JUPP some AE high praised the Lewitts SDC for abut 140 bucks... In my thinking it's all CHINA.... but this Video sounds great....
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Post by stratboy on May 1, 2020 17:08:55 GMT -6
Used c460’s, my personal favorite if your patient a pair of used Sony C535p’s. If you can find a T power adapters some of the early Sennhiser MKH can be had pretty cheap if you move fast. On the cheap Old C451’s and Shure SM81’s are not as bad as everyone says. If you put one up on OH or acoustic, move it around a bit you will hear the sound of the 80’s and early 90’s. I have a pair of SM81s that I picked up for about $250 each. Definitely underrated, IMO.
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Post by wiz on May 1, 2020 17:32:24 GMT -6
I own a pair of KM184s, and a KM84.
I don't know what your budget is... but I have been using a RODE NTR on my acoustic for all the songs on my next album. Originally I used it for its fig 8 pattern, as I am recording voice and acoustic at same time. As it is active it doesn't require as much gain as a normal ribbon, has a 10 year guarantee and sounds killer
It has worked out really great... so there is something from left field.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by mrholmes on May 1, 2020 18:04:25 GMT -6
I own a pair of KM184s, and a KM84. I don't know what your budget is... but I have been using a RODE NTR on my acoustic for all the songs on my next album. Originally I used it for its fig 8 pattern, as I am recording voice and acoustic at same time. As it is active it doesn't require as much gain as a normal ribbon, has a 10 year guarantee and sounds killer It has worked out really great... so there is something from left field. Cheers Wiz
THX Wiz
No harm I made my RODE experience and sold them after 12 months.
For the record I listen to the Lewitt 040 and 140 recordings and was floored by cost performance and hit buy just for fun.
They don't sound hyped in the top end. Solid low end. And they work the dynamics well. Seems they erase room tone pretty well.
In other words they have none of my critics by all other contenders. Hard not to try at a selling point of 99 Euro for a single mic.
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Post by Guitar on May 1, 2020 18:35:01 GMT -6
Ribbon mic on acoustic is a great suggestion. What a great sound when you have a good one.
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Post by spindrift on May 1, 2020 18:43:14 GMT -6
Sorry to go OT, but I really hate loaning out gear, especially mics, too. They rarely come back in the shape you sent them out in. I'm not talking major damage, just something missing that you have to track down, etc etc. Nobody is as careful with your stuff as you are. The person has to be extremely well-trusted and financially able and agreeable to recoup losses incurred if bad something happens.. I have been burned too.
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Post by Guitar on May 1, 2020 18:59:06 GMT -6
Same. I went halfsies on a Nord keyboard with a friend and it got stolen from his property under his watch. Never again.
And then there's the whole thing about people being "weird" when you want your shit back. Come on, I own it, remember?
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Post by matt@IAA on May 1, 2020 19:20:45 GMT -6
I love my Warbler CM127s. SM81 is also a great mic.
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Post by mrholmes on May 1, 2020 19:34:16 GMT -6
Same. I went halfsies on a Nord keyboard with a friend and it got stolen from his property under his watch. Never again. And then there's the whole thing about people being "weird" when you want your shit back. Come on, I own it, remember? Reminds me on an ex band mate who never gave me back some nice VOX guitar Amp and faded away in the big city. Sometimes you meet people accidentally...
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Post by johneppstein on May 1, 2020 20:03:45 GMT -6
I have to accept the fact that my pair KM184 are gone (2 years ago).
A longer story, but never borrow gear to anyone.
I just remember that the 184 are foolproof. They sound great what ever is in front of them, good guitar, bad guitar, hard strumming finger picking. Bad sounding room, good sounding room.... they worked in 99% of the cases.
At the time I am on the Dynamic MIC - trip ...
I think it's a good reminder.
KM184 is not option due to my COVID-19 losses @ 650 Euro.
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My retailer mentioned the WARM KM84 copy as good as the real deal.
The 3U Audio was mentioned with and without transformer coupling as good as NKMs.
You worked with one of the contenders? Let me know your opinion!
KM 184
| Neumann | 699 €
| KM84 CLONE
| WARM AUDIO
| 399 € | 3U Audio Warbler | 127-C-Flat | 280€ |
Your retailer was lying, but that's his job. What I hear is that a WA84 is nothing like a real KM84, but isn't a bad deal for what it is. Don't know how it compares to a 184, most of the people I know don't use them. Have no idea about the Warbler.
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Post by johneppstein on May 1, 2020 20:10:59 GMT -6
Sorry to go OT, but I really hate loaning out gear, especially mics, too. They rarely come back in the shape you sent them out in. I'm not talking major damage, just something missing that you have to track down, etc etc. Nobody is as careful with your stuff as you are. The person has to be extremely well-trusted and financially able and agreeable to recoup losses incurred if bad something happens.. I have been burned too. If a mic goes out my door a deposit covering replacement cost has to go in my bank first. If I was interested in loaning/renting mics I'd get set up with a credit card service and get a card number to take an open-ended deposit. Mics are too valuable and too easy to break, lose, or steal for anything else. After a couple "learning experiences" I now will not loan a mic I would not be willing to give away.
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Post by johneppstein on May 1, 2020 20:12:53 GMT -6
Same. I went halfsies on a Nord keyboard with a friend and it got stolen from his property under his watch. Never again. And then there's the whole thing about people being "weird" when you want your shit back. Come on, I own it, remember? Meet my friend "Tony"...
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Post by Guitar on May 1, 2020 20:33:06 GMT -6
About the Nord thing. I got incredibly mad but didn't threaten any violence. I also demanded cash and got some (not all). Years later, an opportunity came up for me to "take with me" a Marshall 1960A 4x12 cabinet, and I took that thing without hesitation. I guess eventually I was "made whole" again. So props to that person for gradually making it right.
It affected the friendship in the short term, but not in the long term.
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Post by ericn on May 1, 2020 20:39:13 GMT -6
I have to accept the fact that my pair KM184 are gone (2 years ago).
A longer story, but never borrow gear to anyone.
I just remember that the 184 are foolproof. They sound great what ever is in front of them, good guitar, bad guitar, hard strumming finger picking. Bad sounding room, good sounding room.... they worked in 99% of the cases.
At the time I am on the Dynamic MIC - trip ...
I think it's a good reminder.
KM184 is not option due to my COVID-19 losses @ 650 Euro.
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My retailer mentioned the WARM KM84 copy as good as the real deal.
The 3U Audio was mentioned with and without transformer coupling as good as NKMs.
You worked with one of the contenders? Let me know your opinion!
KM 184
| Neumann | 699 €
| KM84 CLONE
| WARM AUDIO
| 399 € | 3U Audio Warbler | 127-C-Flat | 280€ |
Your retailer way lying, but that's his job. What I hear is that a WA84 is nothing like a real KM84, but isn't a bad deal for what it is. Don't know how it compares to a 184, most of the people I know don't use them. Have no idea about the Warbler. My former self is offended, but hey it will get you laid😎
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Post by johneppstein on May 1, 2020 20:55:31 GMT -6
Your retailer way lying, but that's his job. What I hear is that a WA84 is nothing like a real KM84, but isn't a bad deal for what it is. Don't know how it compares to a 184, most of the people I know don't use them. Have no idea about the Warbler. My former self is offended, but hey it will get you laid😎 I'm fully qualified to say that. I worked for Guitar Center (for a short time - I coundn't lie convincingly.)
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Post by ericn on May 1, 2020 21:02:06 GMT -6
My former self is offended, but hey it will get you laid😎 I'm fully qualified to say that. I worked for Guitar Center (for a short time - I coundn't lie convincingly.) Well there is that! I was offered a job at GC, but when I found out the guy who was demoing a AT 4047 backwards and didn’t notice was the pro audio district manager I walked out laughing.
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Post by johneppstein on May 1, 2020 21:29:03 GMT -6
I'm fully qualified to say that. I worked for Guitar Center (for a short time - I coundn't lie convincingly.) Well there is that! I was offered a job at GC, but when I found out the guy who was demoing a AT 4047 backwards and didn’t notice was the pro audio district manager I walked out laughing. I had the Pro Audio department at GC SF for a month when they were on Market. I just couldn't bring myself to push most of the junk they had or to adopt their sales shark techniques, but MC Hammer walked in and was VERY interested in a Hill console we had and a medium sized PA to go with it. I was working on a deal to set him up with some really cool EAW stuff and (IIRC) BGW and Crown amplification, but since I hadn't made my minimum for 4 weeks they canned me - about 5 days before the deal was scheduled to roll. I'd been dealing directly with the reps on setting it up, as the GC manager didn't have the foggiest notion about that level of gear - lord known how they got a floor model Hill in the first place! So naturally without me the deal fell apart, the idiots. I forget how many thousand dollars was involved but it was pretty substantial - it was right around the time when Hammer was getting really hot. But I do know that they blew it and the deal didn't fly because when I dropped in a few months later the board was still there. AFAIK the finally sold it below cost because it just wasn't their market. Not back then, for sure!
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Post by Guitar on May 1, 2020 21:40:21 GMT -6
Hammer and New Kids On The Block were the first acts I "loved" when I was a young boy. Kind of embarrassing really. But then I heard Jerry Lee Lewis sing "Great Balls of Fire" and that was it.
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Post by mrholmes on May 2, 2020 11:40:32 GMT -6
Don't know if the you saw this demo of the Lewitt 140 at He used X/Y position for piano,... and just used 1 of the xy in mono on the acoustic pointed to the back where I would have preferred hearing 1 mono off the 12-14th fret but it still was more info to hear on them. It appeared to me the first half of his piano take is with the air setting on and the 2nd half of it with the air button on the mic off.
Yupp same in this video no shrill a forward midrange and the lows are there too. Dynamics work well too.
I like the fact that they do not sound as big and modern as the 184 - some kind of understatement.
Monday I have the mic here... will tell you what it is like.
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Post by mrholmes on May 2, 2020 14:26:56 GMT -6
I have to accept the fact that my pair KM184 are gone (2 years ago).
A longer story, but never borrow gear to anyone.
I just remember that the 184 are foolproof. They sound great what ever is in front of them, good guitar, bad guitar, hard strumming finger picking. Bad sounding room, good sounding room.... they worked in 99% of the cases.
At the time I am on the Dynamic MIC - trip ...
I think it's a good reminder.
KM184 is not option due to my COVID-19 losses @ 650 Euro.
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My retailer mentioned the WARM KM84 copy as good as the real deal.
The 3U Audio was mentioned with and without transformer coupling as good as NKMs.
You worked with one of the contenders? Let me know your opinion!
KM 184
| Neumann | 699 €
| KM84 CLONE
| WARM AUDIO
| 399 € | 3U Audio Warbler | 127-C-Flat | 280€ |
Your retailer way lying, but that's his job. What I hear is that a WA84 is nothing like a real KM84, but isn't a bad deal for what it is. Don't know how it compares to a 184, most of the people I know don't use them. Have no idea about the Warbler.
My retailer is a Friend. He is not only selling gear, he also has 30+ years experience in producing music, when spare time is there he is my mentor. I could not be happier to get free advice over the past 15 years. I do not need Name-Dropping for my EGO - just want to let you know that he still works for very famous people. Mentioned a few times that he holds the rights on a few songs which nearly everybody knows. And he is the writer of the songs.
He is a nice person. His gear advise was 89% of the time spot on. Just for the record. As millionaire, he does not need to lie about gear. He is not selling gear because of the money, because he wants to stay in the scene. Again a person which I would miss in case something happens.
I respect him for his advice and service.
I love him for his kindness.
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Post by mike on May 2, 2020 14:45:25 GMT -6
Don't know if the you saw this demo of the Lewitt 140 at
Yupp same in this video no shrill a forward midrange and the lows are there too. Dynamics work well too.
I like the fact that they do not sound as big and modern as the 184 - some kind of understatement.
Monday I have the mic here... will tell you what it is like.
If it's the 140, any chance you can post clips ?,..... I'd be interested in hearing it around the 12th fret of an acoustic if possible, whether it's set to air, flat or both, ......and no worries if not. I'm looking forward to your thoughts on it.
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Post by mrholmes on May 2, 2020 15:49:58 GMT -6
Yupp same in this video no shrill a forward midrange and the lows are there too. Dynamics work well too.
I like the fact that they do not sound as big and modern as the 184 - some kind of understatement.
Monday I have the mic here... will tell you what it is like.
If it's the 140, any chance you can post clips ?,..... I'd be interested in hearing it around the 12th fret of an acoustic if possible, whether it's set to air, flat or both, ......and no worries if not. I'm looking forward to your thoughts on it.
Ordered the 40 buts it's the same capsule the same electronics minus the switches.
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Post by reddirt on May 2, 2020 19:37:58 GMT -6
Warren Huart's Lewitt demo was impressive and then factor in the price. Very cool!
Cheers Ross
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Post by johneppstein on May 2, 2020 19:44:22 GMT -6
Your retailer way lying, but that's his job. What I hear is that a WA84 is nothing like a real KM84, but isn't a bad deal for what it is. Don't know how it compares to a 184, most of the people I know don't use them. Have no idea about the Warbler.
My retailer is a Friend. He is not only selling gear, he also has 30+ years experience in producing music, when spare time is there he is my mentor. I could not be happier to get free advice over the past 15 years. I do not need Name-Dropping for my EGO - just want to let you know that he still works for very famous people. Mentioned a few times that he holds the rights on a few songs which nearly everybody knows. And he is the writer of the songs.
He is a nice person. His gear advise was 89% of the time spot on. Just for the record. As millionaire, he does not need to lie about gear. He is not selling gear because of the money, because he wants to stay in the scene. Again a person which I would miss in case something happens.
I respect him for his advice and service.
I love him for his kindness.
I'm sure that's all true, but a 184 bears little real resemblance to an 84 sonically. And from what i hear from people whose opinions I trust implicitly the WA-84 isn't even in the ballpark, although it's a good mic for the money.
All, or nearly all salesmen lie at least a little. Most tell the customers what they want to hear. It's their job. You can't make the necessary figures unless you do. Which is why, although I spent the better part of two decades working in music and audio stores I did very little sales work.
I used to have a close friend, a master hi-fi salesman, who once told me this, pertaining to selling customers what they think they want as opposed to what they really need: "A man walks into the store and wants to buy something. Do him a favor. Sell it to him. It's not your job to educate."
I was never able to get the hang of that kind of thinking. I'm an HORRIBLE salesman.
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Post by mrholmes on May 3, 2020 2:48:55 GMT -6
Warren Huart's Lewitt demo was impressive and then factor in the price. Very cool! Cheers Ross
Yes it was and I always ask myself why Warren can do an extremely close micing make sound sooooo good. My guesswork is the mics go into the console EQs.
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