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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 15, 2020 9:52:40 GMT -6
So I was going to post in Svart's but I didn't want to detract from that investment size. There are some good % off deals happening this week, so I'm intrigued.
I've been comparing the adam a7x's, alpha 80, and wanted to get some info from you wonderful people, about what you'd do in this range. I'm embarrassed with the speakers I have been using for almost 20 years, as they were an early purchase that wasn't much. There is much room to grow from these "Truth" telling monitors..
I expect those Neumann 5.25" speakers aren't going to give enough low end, and I'd love to get the KH310, but i can't blow 5k.. am I asking too much for good speakers at the 1500 ish level?
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 15, 2020 10:02:46 GMT -6
It’s tough in that range. I have a few friends who make really excellent mixes/balance choices on the Yamaha HS series. If the 8’s don’t go low enough you can add a sub and still be close to your budget.
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 15, 2020 10:04:56 GMT -6
That whole set is on reverb right now for 650 bux!
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 15, 2020 10:06:08 GMT -6
JBL had some B-Stock 705p's for like $500, not sure if that deal is still going. But if covid hadn't fucked my finances I probably would have tried a pair.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 15, 2020 10:28:16 GMT -6
The focal twin shapes might be nice in that price range. You'll want to add a sub no matter what I'd imagine sooner than later with really any speaker set you get in that price range.
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Post by svart on Apr 15, 2020 10:41:10 GMT -6
Read my Buchardt S400 review.
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Post by mamm7215 on Apr 15, 2020 11:30:36 GMT -6
APS Klasik are amazing in that price range. They just came out with the Klasik 2020, new version. Same price as old I believe.
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 15, 2020 12:33:14 GMT -6
adding in the hedd monitor to this conversation - what's the big difference here in these ribbon tweeters and the typical domes? I've heard the A7X is great, but really different from normal monitors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 13:15:43 GMT -6
Yamaha HS8 and KRK V6S4 are really good. The KRKs are warmer and more mid-forward while the Yamahas are dry and grainy. The KRKs have better plateamps and no always active limiter so compression is much, much easier to hear on them once broken in. Both are great buys. The V8 and smaller Yamahas have severe midrange issues. I haven't found anything better to mix on in-between them and ATC and Quested. They're both much better tools than the formerly very popular Dynaudios and Genelecs. This is a good deal: www.frontendaudio.com/krk-v6s4-monitors-package/AMTs have higher distortion and tend to be less responsive than soft domes. I found the older Adam X-ART tweeter hard to mix on but euphonic. The sweet spot was minuscule. The Chinese AMTs in the T series are awful. I don't know how people can't hear the distortion with cymbals, violins, and guitars. If you have a good power amp, consider ATC SCM12 and Quested H108 passive speakers. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 15, 2020 13:50:24 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Apr 15, 2020 13:55:55 GMT -6
Haven't heard any newer designs with ribbon tweets but man I couldn't stand the old Adams back in the day when everyone else was buying them up.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 15, 2020 14:16:56 GMT -6
Not an Adams fan either. Super fatiguing.
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 15, 2020 14:56:34 GMT -6
I'm going to try out the focal shape 65s, found a great deal - 1200 with shipping, brand new. Hopefully this goes ok, between reverb and my credit card i should be able to get any money back... I'm glad I didn't get the Adams, the marketing game was strong there, it took a while to get through what was real and what was hype. I think resell would go fine if these aren't the ones.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 15, 2020 15:06:34 GMT -6
I used the Adams A7X for mid bass only. They complimented my Genelecs 1030’s really well. They had a wide midrange, and were nice and airy in my room. Do you think it was your room? Or maybe it just didn’t work for you. We are all a bit different and we all hear differently. They have the adjustments on the back. I’m not throwing stones. I liked them and was actually thinking about giving them another go. I sold them, but kind of miss having them here. I also had a pair of barefoot mm27’s, my room was too small for those. They sounded much better in a room twice the size of mine. I can do smaller midfields, but nothing bigger. I have been thinking about trying something new as well. I have always been interested in the Eve and Hedd models, but haven’t tried them yet. I’ve had Mackie HR824’s, older 10 Genelec models, Focal Alpha 80, Krk, Yamaha mp, still searching...
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 15, 2020 15:12:36 GMT -6
I have original adam a7's, the tweeters aren't exactly the same as the a7x, but close. I find them to very flattering in the high end, not fatiguing at all. But they aren't the most accurate in the high end either.
It's been a long time since I tried other monitors in my studio but when I did I was amazed at how important it is to find monitors that sound good in your specific room. I think that makes comparisons really difficult.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 15, 2020 15:32:39 GMT -6
I'm going to try out the focal shape 65s, found a great deal - 1200 with shipping, brand new. Hopefully this goes ok, between reverb and my credit card i should be able to get any money back... I'm glad I didn't get the Adams, the marketing game was strong there, it took a while to get through what was real and what was hype. I think resell would go fine if these aren't the ones. . Definitely want to hear your review of the Shapes. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 15, 2020 15:34:05 GMT -6
I still go back to that day when I experienced Carl Tatz’s Phantom Focus System with Dynaudio’s. I really liked what I heard.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 15, 2020 15:45:09 GMT -6
JBL had some B-Stock 705p's for like $500, not sure if that deal is still going. But if covid hadn't fucked my finances I probably would have tried a pair. I’d jump on that. |
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Post by reddirt on Apr 15, 2020 16:28:16 GMT -6
I went through this 12 months ago and after listening to many of the higher end ATC 25, concentric genelecs etc as a reference was keen to try the Hedds and found them to be not to my taste, ditto for the Shapes .
totally surprised that i ended up with Eve 305 - a brand i'd written off without ever hearing .
You might put them on your list; they have a bigger model 307 with very abundant controlled bottom end if you require a louder tracking speaker.
I also have the Neumann KH120 and find them a little small to track bass with real ease.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 15, 2020 16:46:57 GMT -6
So I was going to post in Svart's but I didn't want to detract from that investment size. There are some good % off deals happening this week, so I'm intrigued. I've been comparing the adam a7x's, alpha 80, and wanted to get some info from you wonderful people, about what you'd do in this range. I'm embarrassed with the speakers I have been using for almost 20 years, as they were an early purchase that wasn't much. There is much room to grow from these "Truth" telling monitors.. I expect those Neumann 5.25" speakers aren't going to give enough low end, and I'd love to get the KH310, but i can't blow 5k.. am I asking too much for good speakers at the 1500 ish level? The KH310s can be had for less $ than that. svart has the “D” (digital input) version, which usually costs more. Also, I know @tomegatherion doesn’t like Dynaudios, but I’d still look at the LYD48 if I were you. ragan loves his, and I really like how he hears things. EDIT:: oh, and the Presonus Sceptre is really worth a listen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 17:36:28 GMT -6
So I was going to post in Svart's but I didn't want to detract from that investment size. There are some good % off deals happening this week, so I'm intrigued. I've been comparing the adam a7x's, alpha 80, and wanted to get some info from you wonderful people, about what you'd do in this range. I'm embarrassed with the speakers I have been using for almost 20 years, as they were an early purchase that wasn't much. There is much room to grow from these "Truth" telling monitors.. I expect those Neumann 5.25" speakers aren't going to give enough low end, and I'd love to get the KH310, but i can't blow 5k.. am I asking too much for good speakers at the 1500 ish level? The KH310s can be had for less $ than that. svart has the “D” (digital input) version, which usually costs more. Also, I know @tomegatherion doesn’t like Dynaudios, but I’d still look at the LYD48 if I were you. ragan loves his, and I really like how he hears things. EDIT:: oh, and the Presonus Sceptre is really worth a listen. The old, original BM6a sounds very good but has a crossover dip if you can find a pair that works. I don't like the Lyds. They're harsh and power handling isn't that great. There original BM6 is just punchier with better depth and less fatiguing treble than the Lyds. The Lyd 8 and 48 don't sound huge like a BM15 either.
Edit: I feel Dynaudio has been cheaping out for a while and trying to voice their monitors to sound more monitory, more Yamaha without really hitting the mark. They've lost what I liked about them.
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Post by ericn on Apr 15, 2020 18:48:02 GMT -6
Haven't heard any newer designs with ribbon tweets but man I couldn't stand the old Adams back in the day when everyone else was buying them up. That would because Adams and 99% of what people call ribbons are not ribbons but AMT’s! |
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Post by ericn on Apr 15, 2020 18:49:24 GMT -6
The KH310s can be had for less $ than that. svart has the “D” (digital input) version, which usually costs more. Also, I know @tomegatherion doesn’t like Dynaudios, but I’d still look at the LYD48 if I were you. ragan loves his, and I really like how he hears things. EDIT:: oh, and the Presonus Sceptre is really worth a listen. The old, original BM6a sounds very good but has a crossover dip if you can find a pair that works. I don't like the Lyds. They're harsh and power handling isn't that great. There original BM6 is just punchier with better depth and less fatiguing treble than the Lyds. The Lyd 8 and 48 don't sound huge like a BM15 either.
Edit: I feel Dynaudio has been cheaping out for a while and trying to voice their monitors to sound more monitory, more Yamaha without really hitting the mark. They've lost what I liked about them.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 15, 2020 19:42:35 GMT -6
The KH310s can be had for less $ than that. svart has the “D” (digital input) version, which usually costs more. Also, I know @tomegatherion doesn’t like Dynaudios, but I’d still look at the LYD48 if I were you. ragan loves his, and I really like how he hears things. EDIT:: oh, and the Presonus Sceptre is really worth a listen. The old, original BM6a sounds very good but has a crossover dip if you can find a pair that works. I don't like the Lyds. They're harsh and power handling isn't that great. There original BM6 is just punchier with better depth and less fatiguing treble than the Lyds. The Lyd 8 and 48 don't sound huge like a BM15 either.
Edit: I feel Dynaudio has been cheaping out for a while and trying to voice their monitors to sound more monitory, more Yamaha without really hitting the mark. They've lost what I liked about them.
. That’s a shame. I haven’t heard the LYD’s, but have heard the BM15’s sitting on top an Amek, I think Rembrandt, maybe Einstein desk, I cannot remember. They sounded big and nice, but that was a while ago. I have heard the older BM6’s as well, and I don’t know what amp they were powered by, but they didn’t sound bad. These were all different years and rooms, so I couldn’t compare all these. I know some on here love their LYD48’s. A recent video I saw, Dynaudio did state they make all the parts in house. That must have been a recent change then if that’s the case. I’ve been eyeing those LYD 3-way 48’s with the 18S sub since they came out. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 12:08:55 GMT -6
I used Dynaudio BM5A's for years (originals, not the MKII version). About 2 years ago I dumped $2600 on Focals because I thought I needed to invest in something better. I've since realized that I don't like the Focals. I find them extremely fatiguing, so I switched back to the Dynaudios. I'm doing just fine with those again. You could find a used pair for <1000 easily.
I think when I sell my Focals, I'm going to take part of that and invest in a decent sub-woofer, but I also don't feel like it's necessary. I just want one because it'll make listening more enjoyable.
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