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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 17, 2020 18:43:25 GMT -6
I'm going to sound like a shill, but those Buchardts are outstanding. You don't sound like a shill to me, man. Tell us more!
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 17, 2020 19:09:22 GMT -6
Quality control basically. One of the drivers in the scepter came loose and was rattling. Presonus took about 5 or 6 back and forth emails over the stretch of a week and a half to try to explain to me how to fix it. After opening it up, seeing how difficult it would be without proper tools, and another week of emails, I was finally able to send it out for repair. They were also quite noisy even with their amps turned down. I could audibly hear their hissing when I walked in my room. All that being said, they did guide me to good mixes, and the coax design really made it easy to hear small changes, but in the end they just felt a little cheap to me. The Eve’s are just big and fun. Really quiet, and they pump out bass when you want it. . That sucks about the S8’s. I did see a review where a guy said he could hear hiss as well. Not a lot of reviews said this. So, I’m wondering if they just didn’t care about the hiss, or if that is in some of the monitors? Hmmm...I use Genelecs older 10 series monitors. I really haven’t moved from those. I’ll leave and come right back to them probably because I’ve been using them since 94, they translate good for me, and sound balanced in my room. Every other monitor has had a strong frequency here or there meaning it sounds right and balanced in a group of the frequencies hi/mids/lows, and weak in the other, if I were to break it up into 3 groups. I thought about going to the next tier to the mid level to mid high end. HEDD/EVE’s/ROCK’s III, but I’m going to have to demo more. I want power to be able to track drums and bass at a decent level when tracking. Not stupid levels, but fun levels. I actually had the s6. The hiss was definitely annoying. I don’t think you would like them after being on Genelecs. You probably would dig the Fulcrum Acoustics speakers. That’s who designed the sceptres for presonus. www.fulcrum-acoustic.com/product/rm28ac-self-powered-dual-8-coaxial-reference-monitor/I’ve heard those in a really nice room and it literally sounds like the audio is floating in space. Really beautiful stuff. Really love my EVE’s for tracking. The low end punch is really fun on drums and bass. Just added the Sonarworks treatment to mine and they’re even better in my room. Now I can actually use them for more critical decisions as opposed to switching to ns10’s. I’ve listened to the HEDDs as well, and preferred the EVE’s a little more. They just seemed to hold together a bit more to my ears.
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Post by svart on Apr 17, 2020 22:01:46 GMT -6
I'm going to sound like a shill, but those Buchardts are outstanding. You don't sound like a shill to me, man. Tell us more! Check out my review in the review section of the forum. The short version is that they're Amphion killers IMHO. They're compact, and probably won't need a sub for most folks. Great dispersion character with the choice of tweeter and waveguide. They do need a bit of power to really open up though.
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Post by ericn on Apr 20, 2020 9:25:20 GMT -6
If your a fan of time aligned dual concentric speakers there is a pair of Bag End / Radian MM-8’s on EBay for $499 plus $125 shipping. In the Audiophile world there are guys selling basically the same thing (same driver slightly tweeked x-over different box configuration) for $10K! I have built a number of these over the years, I have a client with seven in a home theater who just told me he wants to upgrade the diaphragms to Be. The Bagends a JW Modded GFA 535 and an infra / ELF sub is a fun combo! 2 subs and it sounds like an old school mains with more clarity! How are the M-6 and PM-6 that are still being made? I came across them a while ago but unfortunately after I bought the KRKs. I needed an upgrade right before this Coronavirus mess. I don’t like the powered version and knowing you like the Quested Volt / Morel combo these probably are not for you! They can play loud and bring all the problems a compression driver brings. They do have a focus that’s hard to beat and the ones I have built have had this magic with the little Van Alstine Modded Dynaco 25 watt tube amp that is sitting here.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 20, 2020 11:05:17 GMT -6
Interesting there’s no other mention of the JBL 705 or 708. Drbill has 708’s, I have 705’s, and he and I both transitioned from LSR28P’s. Svart has/had some version of LSR. I’ve been happy with the 705’s, they actually have better bass than the LSR28P’s, so don’t think a 5” can’t do it, and do it louder than you will ever want to monitor (and keep your hearing).
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Post by ericn on Apr 20, 2020 11:43:50 GMT -6
Interesting there’s no other mention of the JBL 705 or 708. Drbill has 708’s, I have 705’s, and he and I both transitioned from LSR28P’s. Svart has/had some version of LSR. I’ve been happy with the 705’s, they actually have better bass than the LSR28P’s, so don’t think a 5” can’t do it, and do it louder than you will ever want to monitor (and keep your hearing). They are very impressive, I’m just waiting for Samsung to screw them up I’m MKII form!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 21:11:23 GMT -6
How are the M-6 and PM-6 that are still being made? I came across them a while ago but unfortunately after I bought the KRKs. I needed an upgrade right before this Coronavirus mess. I don’t like the powered version and knowing you like the Quested Volt / Morel combo these probably are not for you! They can play loud and bring all the problems a compression driver brings. They do have a focus that’s hard to beat and the ones I have built have had this magic with the little Van Alstine Modded Dynaco 25 watt tube amp that is sitting here. True. You're right. I like Questeds, ATCs, current KRKs, and old Dyns ha! I hate fatigue. The only non-soft dome I've ever liked is well-damped Kevlar and that's still more fatiguing than the darker British monitors. No Proacs, PMCs, or B&Ws without something like a McIntosh! Even the JBL horn flare on the computer modeled waveguide burns my ears.
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Post by plinker on Apr 21, 2020 1:37:34 GMT -6
There's a pair of Dynaudio BM6 (passive) in the classifieds right now.
Just sayin'...
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Post by svart on Apr 21, 2020 7:59:18 GMT -6
Interesting there’s no other mention of the JBL 705 or 708. Drbill has 708’s, I have 705’s, and he and I both transitioned from LSR28P’s. Svart has/had some version of LSR. I’ve been happy with the 705’s, they actually have better bass than the LSR28P’s, so don’t think a 5” can’t do it, and do it louder than you will ever want to monitor (and keep your hearing). I did. They're good, but I'm finding that they were comparatively soft in the mids to more modern speakers.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 21, 2020 8:01:32 GMT -6
Interesting there’s no other mention of the JBL 705 or 708. Drbill has 708’s, I have 705’s, and he and I both transitioned from LSR28P’s. Svart has/had some version of LSR. I’ve been happy with the 705’s, they actually have better bass than the LSR28P’s, so don’t think a 5” can’t do it, and do it louder than you will ever want to monitor (and keep your hearing). I did. They're good, but I'm finding that they were comparatively soft in the mids to more modern speakers. I think you had the gen after LSR28P? Never heard those.
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Post by svart on Apr 21, 2020 8:09:21 GMT -6
I did. They're good, but I'm finding that they were comparatively soft in the mids to more modern speakers. I think you had the gen after LSR28P? Never heard those. Yeah, the LSR4328P. Easy to listen to, lacks a little bass without the sub. Didn't really care for the room correction. I could get mixes up and going really easy, but I'd always have to turn to the NS10's or auratones to get the midrange right. Never had a problem getting the high freqs or lows sitting right in the mix but guitars and such would always end up a little bright and gritty in the mix on other playback systems.
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 24, 2020 10:17:19 GMT -6
So the shape 65's just came in today, shipping from England is pretty quick once they get it on the airplane! I figured I'd start breaking them in with a little phil collins, nice comfortable material. In the air comes on first on the amazon music station (i know i know, fidelity, but hey it's convenient). the drum machine has a nice wide delay mix thing. But then he starts singing and it's like he's just floating in the air in front of me, like I feel I can hear individual flaps of his vocal chords. I am sure all of you know what I'm talking about. I've never felt that clear of a center/l/r in my life. it's so clear compared to the cheap set I've had for years. i'm just wowed that it's that big of a difference. i know the bass will develop over the break in, but it's pretty flat which I'm really thankful for as well.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 12, 2020 7:52:04 GMT -6
Can someone explain to me technically, how the hell it's possible for the same size speaker to be that spectacularly different? Is it the material of the cone? The biggest difference i can SEE is the different twitters in different makers. A sum of the parts? Real wood cabinets? I turned on Weezer's Blue Album this morning, something I know so well, I have memorized the hi hat rhythms. And I'm just hearing parts I've never heard before. I"m not trying to blow up these monitors, I'm just feeling sheepish for waiting so long. #YouGetWhatYouPayFor
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Post by gwlee7 on May 12, 2020 8:31:20 GMT -6
I like you, have found out exactly what really good monitors can do. I agree about "why did I wait so long?" It is amazing.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2020 9:24:02 GMT -6
Focal do good research and have access to great materials. I think the Shape have benefitted from what Focal learned from more expensive monitor design.
I agree excellent value for the money.
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Post by ericn on May 12, 2020 10:06:14 GMT -6
Can someone explain to me technically, how the hell it's possible for the same size speaker to be that spectacularly different? Is it the material of the cone? The biggest difference i can SEE is the different twitters in different makers. A sum of the parts? Real wood cabinets? I turned on Weezer's Blue Album this morning, something I know so well, I have memorized the hi hat rhythms. And I'm just hearing parts I've never heard before. I"m not trying to blow up these monitors, I'm just feeling sheepish for waiting so long. #YouGetWhatYouPayFor It is so much a sum of all the parts as well as a designers sonic priorities. I keep saying in speakers size means nothing.
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Post by Omicron9 on May 13, 2020 9:14:07 GMT -6
I have a pair of KRK V8 v.2 that I really like. Have had them for years. I can work on those all the livelong day and never have ear fatigue. I get great details with them and find them to be honest.
That said, monitor choice seems very personal. You have to find what works for you.
Regards, -09
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Post by plinker on May 13, 2020 10:35:10 GMT -6
Can someone explain to me technically, how the hell it's possible for the same size speaker to be that spectacularly different? Is it the material of the cone? The biggest difference i can SEE is the different twitters in different makers. A sum of the parts? Real wood cabinets? I turned on Weezer's Blue Album this morning, something I know so well, I have memorized the hi hat rhythms. And I'm just hearing parts I've never heard before. I"m not trying to blow up these monitors, I'm just feeling sheepish for waiting so long. #YouGetWhatYouPayFor It is so much a sum of all the parts as well as a designers sonic priorities. I keep saying in speakers size means nothing. Agreed. Also cone-excursion greatly affects the response of LF drivers. Don’t ask me how though 🤔
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Post by ericn on May 13, 2020 11:52:52 GMT -6
It is so much a sum of all the parts as well as a designers sonic priorities. I keep saying in speakers size means nothing. Agreed. Also cone-excursion greatly affects the response of LF drivers. Don’t ask me how though 🤔 One of many parameters that effect the LF of a driver.
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Post by iamasound on May 13, 2020 13:00:20 GMT -6
I have a pair of KRK V8 v.2 that I really like. Have had them for years. I can work on those all the livelong day and never have ear fatigue. I get great details with them and find them to be honest. That said, monitor choice seems very personal. You have to find what works for you. Regards, -09 I've had my V6 v.2 for years too and can attest to never succumbing to ear fatigue. I hope that they last forever.
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Post by Guitar on May 13, 2020 18:54:04 GMT -6
I am a big Focal fan. I have the Aria 906 which use similar drivers to the Shape series, but are passive. I love them. Congratulations.
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Post by guitfiddler on May 14, 2020 15:02:48 GMT -6
Has anyone compared the shape to the solo’s?
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