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Post by chessparov on Aug 16, 2019 14:39:32 GMT -6
Just curious... Are any of you guys using falsetto and/or falsettone, in your training? Thanks, Chris I would defer to Vincent as the Bel Canto authority around here, but I can speak to the few vocal lessons I had with Bel Canto style teachers, where among other things, the blending of the head (falsetto) and the chest voice was part of the training. These registers involve two different sets of muscles, placement, etc, so they both had me doing exercises that involved singing from head (falsetto) to chest - back and forth and through the passaggio. Certainly, most of the training was focused on the chest voice, but those blending exercises were super helpful, and an important part of how I approach my singing ..because I use my falsetto all the time. The "falsettone" exercises I remember, that my Vocal Master showed me, were based on using a light staccato approach... Like "ha ha ha", on a gradually ascending and/or descending scale. There are some Pop songs (for me) with a high F or F sharp, where the Speech Level Singing method of using "a cry in the voice" is effective too. Chris P.S. I'm "one of those" who feel the Speech Level Singing methods, are not a complete singing method. Go "Classical"!
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Post by chessparov on Aug 16, 2019 14:53:42 GMT -6
Darren Hayes/Savage Garden, very impressive voice! But watch out, my falsetto is roughly the same range as Maurice Gibb. The late British comedian Kenny Everett had a great bit, where he "interviews" the BG's, and they answer "in harmony" to all questions! It's on YouTube BTW. Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 16, 2019 15:40:14 GMT -6
One of my favorite falsetto moments in musical theater, Steve Balsamo’s rendition “Gethsemane” from Superstar!
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Post by chessparov on Aug 16, 2019 18:07:24 GMT -6
Wow! Chris
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Post by hio on Aug 16, 2019 20:06:57 GMT -6
Wow!
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 5, 2019 6:49:40 GMT -6
Thought I’d share this as this is probably the best and most simple description of the vocal technique (classical) I was trained in. He doesn’t go into great detail about breathing, just placement and the lowed larynx (open throat).
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 5, 2019 11:11:52 GMT -6
I will put in a recommendation for Complete Vocal Technique. It’s the only scientific method of singing that currently exists. I know it’s a bold claim but it’s the truth. And it covers all styles from classical to death metal. How are you using “scientific” here? Like, the book has blind, peer-reviewed clinical research behind it? Haha.. "peer reviewed"? You mean "the enemy of all things sensible in education"?
Really though.. Complete Vocal Technique is smart stuff.
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Post by ragan on Dec 5, 2019 12:19:40 GMT -6
How are you using “scientific” here? Like, the book has blind, peer-reviewed clinical research behind it? Haha.. "peer reviewed"? You mean "the enemy of all things sensible in education"?
Really though.. Complete Vocal Technique is smart stuff.
No, I do not mean that. I mean that when a claim like “the only scientific method” is made I’m curious to know if it’s the usual thing (using the claim in a loosey goosey way with no substantive meaning to ‘scientific’) or if there’s actually some real research behind it. I don’t know what axe you have to grind with peer review in “education” but it serves a vital purpose in scientific research. Not perfect, but good and useful.
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 5, 2019 13:31:19 GMT -6
And to that, I'll add that -to my knowledge-, CVT is the only singing method that publishes peer reviewed studies on their research and findings. And it works!
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 5, 2019 13:51:17 GMT -6
Haha.. "peer reviewed"? You mean "the enemy of all things sensible in education"?
Really though.. Complete Vocal Technique is smart stuff.
No, I do not mean that. I mean that when a claim like “the only scientific method” is made I’m curious to know if it’s the usual thing (using the claim in a loosey goosey way with no substantive meaning to ‘scientific’) or if there’s actually some real research behind it. I don’t know what axe you have to grind with peer review in “education” but it serves a vital purpose in scientific research. Not perfect, but good and useful. Fair enough.. well put!
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Post by ragan on Dec 5, 2019 14:14:27 GMT -6
And to that, I'll add that -to my knowledge-, CVT is the only singing method that publishes peer reviewed studies on their research and findings. And it works! Well there you go! Exactly what I was curious about.
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 5, 2019 14:43:07 GMT -6
And to that, I'll add that -to my knowledge-, CVT is the only singing method that publishes peer reviewed studies on their research and findings. And it works! Well there you go! Exactly what I was curious about. I think you might have missed my reply to your question back then? Anyway, I'll paste it again for the benefit of the conversation They do their own research, on actual singers, with actual larynx cameras: cvtresearch.com/welcome/ They've been training singers for 14 years in their own facility and applying the scientific method (from empirical evidence to hypothesis and experiments to prove/disprove theories) to see what actually happens when you sing. Here's the site for the Complete Vocal Institute: completevocal.institute
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Post by ragan on Dec 5, 2019 16:56:04 GMT -6
Well there you go! Exactly what I was curious about. I think you might have missed my reply to your question back then? Anyway, I'll paste it again for the benefit of the conversation They do their own research, on actual singers, with actual larynx cameras: cvtresearch.com/welcome/ They've been training singers for 14 years in their own facility and applying the scientific method (from empirical evidence to hypothesis and experiments to prove/disprove theories) to see what actually happens when you sing. Here's the site for the Complete Vocal Institute: completevocal.institute Oh yes, you're right, I totally missed that. Sorry. Looks really interesting and I'll be checking it out when the quarter is over and I can come up for air.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 5, 2019 22:46:59 GMT -6
Me too! Thanks, Chris
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Post by mike on Aug 25, 2021 22:53:41 GMT -6
After a very long lay off, it's time to get my voice back in shape again for tracking. So I started reading through this thread, .....and though there are those with more knowledge here than I when it comes to Vocal exercises, like Vincent, I thought I'd add these two links I found useful FWIW.
Best_Vocal_Exercises_for_Singers
how-to-increase-your-vocal-range
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2021 3:53:48 GMT -6
This vocal coach has a series of videos:
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Post by notneeson on Aug 26, 2021 9:08:34 GMT -6
This is slightly off topic, but I have a tracking technique that I'm liking that relates to the idea of practice:
So, let's say you're working on verse one of a song, 4 chord progression. I'll sing the phrase and then repeat and repeat consecutively without stopping the tape, same line every time the 4 chord cycle repeats.
I'm essentially singing line one of the lyric where lines 2,3, and 4 go. But there's some kind of flow that happens where often the 2nd or 3rd take are the keepers. And it works better than stopping playback and starting from the top again, it's somehow psychologically more advantageous for me. You could do the same thing in loop record, but I never bother to set that up.
Yes, spot fixes are likely still needed, but there's something happening in muscle memory by repeating a line so close together that really helps.
Later when I'm comping I have to pull the phrase back to its correct position on the time line, but the grid makes that super easy.
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Post by Ward on Aug 30, 2021 7:46:56 GMT -6
One of my favorite falsetto moments in musical theater, Steve Balsamo’s rendition “Gethsemane” from Superstar! Balsamo is the gold standard for that one!! I've performed the role as well and it is incredibly demanding!
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Post by Ward on Aug 30, 2021 7:51:00 GMT -6
Anyhow, great stuff in here all 'round!
I dropped in to ask for best recovery exercises! Last night, I had to track backing vocals and was singing in a raspy tone on a blues number and overdid it a bit - singing on a cold (I remember before 2020 I used to get those all the time) and now I'm like a groggy baritone here all morning! Almost like smoker's voice. Ugh. I doubt I could even sing 'Amor Ti Vieta' this morning.
Suggestions welcome!
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Post by bowie on Aug 30, 2021 8:09:29 GMT -6
Anyhow, great stuff in here all 'round! I dropped in to ask for best recovery exercises! Last night, I had to track backing vocals and was singing in a raspy tone on a blues number and overdid it a bit - singing on a cold (I remember before 2020 I used to get those all the time) and now I'm like a groggy baritone here all morning! Almost like smoker's voice. Ugh. I doubt I could even sing 'Amor Ti Vieta' this morning. Suggestions welcome! Ken Tamplin has a voice repair (don't recall the exact name) video set that I found to be excellent. Not just for a tender throat, but for warming up after I've taken a few days off. It's something you have to buy but I don't regret the purchase.
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Post by Chad on Aug 30, 2021 8:18:59 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 30, 2021 8:34:01 GMT -6
Again, for Beginners and Rediscoveries, I highly recommend Jane Edgreen (NC) Book + Online Course for a bargain. 8 bucks a year.
I do the course for 2,5 times now ø two years... Just great because it works. I had my doubts on the way, because I made some bad experiences with vocal teachers in the past. The clear path Jane creates with her weekly practice plans helps a lot to have a vision... A few weeks ago, I still thought that better control over my head voice is impossible. Now it made a jump, I start to get a lot more control between head or chest voice. I am not a vocal teacher but, I think singing is something vulnerable, everyone can hear your soul. The more, it's important to have a clear path, a clear way to go. Someone who says don't give up, try again. vocalfitnessstudio.com/
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 30, 2021 9:36:40 GMT -6
Anyhow, great stuff in here all 'round! I dropped in to ask for best recovery exercises! Last night, I had to track backing vocals and was singing in a raspy tone on a blues number and overdid it a bit - singing on a cold (I remember before 2020 I used to get those all the time) and now I'm like a groggy baritone here all morning! Almost like smoker's voice. Ugh. I doubt I could even sing 'Amor Ti Vieta' this morning. Suggestions welcome! Rest... I know, Obviously. Gargle with hot/warm sugar water. For those curious, this note came from one of the leading voice doctors in NY with tons of clientele at the Met, Broadway, etc. Salt water will dry you out. Sugar water will provide the benefit of the warmth and provide a little coating. Honestly, sometimes I simple gargle with just hot water and then have tea with honey. I would generally gargle with warm water every few hours and have a cup of tea or two throughout the day. The rasp can be taxing if done improperly.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 31, 2021 20:18:42 GMT -6
Traditional Medicinals Throat Coat will do it better than water and sweetener.
In the late 80's I was producing a record for a friend. The vocalist was Ken Prymus. He was the lion in the Wiz on Broadway at the time and sang eight shows a week! At every rehearsal, he asked me to boil water for his tea. I finally asked him about it and he said he couldn't do what he does without it.
I didn't quite believe it, but I tried it, and damn, it REALLY worked. I sip it now 30-50 minutes before recording vocals.
The thing is, the other brands with similar names and claims just don't work as well, and it tastes good.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 31, 2021 20:21:27 GMT -6
In a pinch with no tea, warm water, etc., try classic style potato chips, they coat the throat a bit.
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