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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 5, 2019 7:03:44 GMT -6
I was just curious, you could buy spare parts like the body tube from Neumann, just to have a different look if you desired :-)
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Post by Quint on Jun 5, 2019 7:10:20 GMT -6
I was just curious, you could buy spare parts like the body tube from Neumann, just to have a different look if you desired :-) I don't know that Neumann would sell you those spare parts though, at least I certainly wouldn't think so. A similar discussion happened recently about Zen Pro offering Warm mics modded with Neumann capsules. It sounds like Neumann will likely pull the plug on that, and for justifiable reasons. Neumann is protective of their brand just like anyone else, so I don't think they would sell only their body and headbasket, the two most identifiable components of their product, to the mic mod crowd.
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Post by brenta on Jun 5, 2019 7:22:09 GMT -6
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 5, 2019 7:52:14 GMT -6
Exactly, they have sold these for a long time.
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Post by Quint on Jun 5, 2019 8:03:11 GMT -6
Well. I'll admit to being wrong then. I didn't think they would sell those to the general public.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 5, 2019 8:07:51 GMT -6
I guess though I’m with quint other than pretending you have a real 67, what’s the point? What happens later when the mike starts to change hands ?
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 5, 2019 8:10:59 GMT -6
Well. I'll admit to being wrong then. I didn't think they would sell those to the general public. If I had a u67 and the body had dents and I wanted to replace it why I’m earth wouldn’t they sell the body ?
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 5, 2019 8:13:28 GMT -6
I guess though I’m with quint other than pretending you have a real 67, what’s the point? What happens later when the mike starts to change hands ? What’s the point ? What a weird thing to say, the point is I may prefer the look of the u67 body, isn’t that reason enough ? And if the mic changed hands I would unscrew the Neumann tube and put it back, simple is that. I wouldn’t be pretending, I might just want to have another option. Can’t people ask questions without anyone jumping to conclusions and making their own assumptions?
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 5, 2019 8:21:39 GMT -6
Because we all want our 67 clone to look like a real U67. Granted, but if you already had a U67, from which you could potentially steal the body and headbasket, why would you need or want a clone in the first place? It's not like there are a bunch of (or really ANY) spare U67 bodies or headbaskets just floating around out there for sale. You can order replacement parts from Sennheiser. So, if the circuit fit you could in theory order the tube casing, grill, etc. It's how some have made their TLM 67s with MK67 kits look like real U67s. This won't work for the SA-67 without a complete rebuild, but that's what he was asking about.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 5, 2019 8:24:05 GMT -6
Well. I'll admit to being wrong then. I didn't think they would sell those to the general public. If I had a u67 and the body had dents and I wanted to replace it why I’m earth wouldn’t they sell the body ? You order the U87 body tube and the black badge.
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Post by Quint on Jun 5, 2019 8:24:23 GMT -6
Well. I'll admit to being wrong then. I didn't think they would sell those to the general public. If I had a u67 and the body had dents and I wanted to replace it why I’m earth wouldn’t they sell the body ? Well the line of reasoning was that they would sell it to an authorized repair shop for Neumann mics, for the exact reason that Kcat mentioned. That way, people could still get their mics repaired and Neumann could also keep a tighter hold. API does the same sort of thing with their 2520s. I'm sure Neumann wouldn't like the idea of mics being sold out there on the used market with Neumann bodies/headbaskets and "other" guts inside, the prospective buyer potentially being none the wiser. As long as the seller would be upfront about what is inside, it technically wouldn't matter, but then this is the internet and it totally does.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 5, 2019 8:43:03 GMT -6
If I had a u67 and the body had dents and I wanted to replace it why I’m earth wouldn’t they sell the body ? Well the line of reasoning was that they would sell it to an authorized repair shop for Neumann mics, for the exact reason that Kcat mentioned. That way, people could still get their mics repaired and Neumann could also keep a tighter hold. API does the same sort of thing with their 2520s. I'm sure Neumann wouldn't like the idea of mics being sold out there on the used market with Neumann bodies/headbaskets and "other" guts inside, the prospective buyer potentially being none the wiser. As long as the seller would be upfront about what is inside, it technically wouldn't matter, but then this is the internet and it totally does. I never said I owned a u67, if I did this conversation wouldn’t exist, secondly why would you turn this into a debate ? I had a simple question, this isn’t even worth a debate, you take all the fun out of being on a forum bro, I guess if you bought a Gucci shirt for someone as a gift, it would definitely have to go in a box that says Gucci, instead you might have a spare box that is more elegant, but according to you it’s not the right box lol.
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Post by damoongo on Jun 5, 2019 8:46:08 GMT -6
I wouldn’t be pretending, I might just want to have another option. When you dress your Stam up like a u67, you’re pretending. But no one is going to stop you, so knock yourself out! (If it fits. Which it won’t.)
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Post by Quint on Jun 5, 2019 8:55:24 GMT -6
Well the line of reasoning was that they would sell it to an authorized repair shop for Neumann mics, for the exact reason that Kcat mentioned. That way, people could still get their mics repaired and Neumann could also keep a tighter hold. API does the same sort of thing with their 2520s. I'm sure Neumann wouldn't like the idea of mics being sold out there on the used market with Neumann bodies/headbaskets and "other" guts inside, the prospective buyer potentially being none the wiser. As long as the seller would be upfront about what is inside, it technically wouldn't matter, but then this is the internet and it totally does. I never said I owned a u67, if I did this conversation wouldn’t exist, secondly why would you turn this into a debate ? I had a simple question, this isn’t even worth a debate, you take all the fun out of being on a forum bro, I guess if you bought a Gucci shirt for someone as a gift, it would definitely have to go in a box that says Gucci, instead you might have a spare box that is more elegant, but according to you it’s not the right box lol. Except you have it the other way around. You're attempting to put a Fruit of the Loom t-shirt in a Gucci box. That's the definition of pretending. But as the above poster mentioned, do what makes you happy. I also should be clear, I'm not saying Stam mics are bad at all. But I also don't think anyone would dispute that Neumann's have a higher pedigree than Stam or just about anyone else.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 5, 2019 9:49:06 GMT -6
I haven’t jumped to any conclusions but personally think why bother? It’s your money: do what you like ?
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 5, 2019 9:51:36 GMT -6
If I decided to change the look of my own mic that’s my choice that’s not pretending at all, you guys are really a trip, and on that note let’s move on please.
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2019 11:34:35 GMT -6
Well. I'll admit to being wrong then. I didn't think they would sell those to the general public. They sell components as replacement parts, not for modifications or DIY, the rule has always been you don’t buy in quantity and you don’t admit what your doing.
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Post by Quint on Jun 5, 2019 11:41:53 GMT -6
Well. I'll admit to being wrong then. I didn't think they would sell those to the general public. They sell components as replacement parts, not for modifications or DIY, the rule has always been you don’t buy in quantity and you don’t admit what your doing. Well then I retract my previous admission of being wrong. Sounds like my concerns were well founded.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 5, 2019 11:43:01 GMT -6
I heard from a friend of mine they no longer sell the output transformer. Was surprised to hear they did at one point!
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 5, 2019 12:04:28 GMT -6
I heard from a friend of mine they no longer sell the output transformer. Was surprised to hear they did at one point! They still do. Just search the site.
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Post by brenta on Jun 5, 2019 12:17:44 GMT -6
Where are you guys getting this information? I just added 100 U67 output transformers to my cart on their website, all the way to the point of checking out. I obviously didn't go through with the purchase, but do they stop you from buying them after you place the order?
Description Qty Availability Item Price Total Neumann U67 Transformer BV12 - 576521 100 100 shipping in 23 days (on average) $282.56 $28,256.00 Items Total $28,256.00 Courier UK Mainland (estimated) $18.35 Subtotal $28,274.35 [20%] $5,654.67 Total including $33,929.02
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 5, 2019 12:39:37 GMT -6
FWIW, I heard this as speculation, I have never tried to buy any U67 parts from Neumann
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Post by hadaja on Jun 5, 2019 12:41:57 GMT -6
the Sa-67 is just Dany Bouchards d-67 circuit with Chinese donor body. You could check with Dany to see what other Donor bodies his circuit might fit in . Cheers
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Post by brenta on Jun 5, 2019 13:01:08 GMT -6
We're all just speculating on what Sennheiser is thinking of course, but here's my speculation:
The margin on a $900 k49 capsule has to be enormous. Way more than the margin on a $1100 TLM103, which is an assembled mic with accessories, for example. I think Sennheiser would be elated to sell 50,000 k49 capsules to modders this year. Same goes with all their high margin parts, like transformers or a $220 metal body.
Counterfeit is a whole different issue. If someone is buying Neumann bodies, putting them on MXL's and selling them as genuine Neumanns, the Sennheiser legal team would be all over it. But that's way different than mic that says Warm on the outside and has a high margin Neumann part on the inside, for example.
Executives at companies the size of Sennheiser are under tremendous pressure to increase profits and revenue every quarter, which is extremely difficult in a mature and increasingly competitive industry like microphones. If their YOY profits jump up 17% YOY because their parts business suddenly increased revenue by 500%, do you think the CEO is going to tell them to stop selling parts and go back to 8% YOY revenue growth? I doubt it.
We'll see what happens with the Zen Pro modded Warm 47 with Neumann capsule, but my thoughts are that Sennheiser, like most for-profit companies, is happy to take money from wherever they can get it.
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2019 13:04:23 GMT -6
FWIW, I heard this as speculation, I have never tried to buy any U67 parts from Neumann It might be that it wasn’t available until recently with the new reissue There have always been some parts that were unavailable. It might also be that when one places an online order they later find out later it is not available.
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