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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 7, 2018 21:26:37 GMT -6
I'd love to know if anyone here has had the Audio-Scape Opt next to the Stam SA2A. If Stam comes through this winter and fulfills his preorders and starts stocking his products, that would make them a really viable choice for me if not with the SA2A then with other products.
I tried the Audio-Scape at jtc111's and it was very nice. Overall it was smooth and full frequency. You didn't get the feeling like the unit was bright or dark. It gave a bit a warmth, but was not as colored as the UAD Grey we were testing it next to. It was more like the UAD LA2. There was a very nice warm transparency. |
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 8, 2018 7:21:36 GMT -6
I'd love to know if anyone here has had the Audio-Scape Opt next to the Stam SA2A. If Stam comes through this winter and fulfills his preorders and starts stocking his products, that would make them a really viable choice for me if not with the SA2A then with other products.
I tried the Audio-Scape at jtc111 's and it was very nice. Overall it was smooth and full frequency. You didn't get the feeling like the unit was bright or dark. It gave a bit a warmth, but was not as colored as the UAD Grey we were testing it next to. It was more like the UAD LA2. There was a very nice warm transparency. Audioscape vs Stam MKII...  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 8, 2018 8:03:46 GMT -6
indiehouse wrote: Audioscape vs Stam MKII...
I don't understand your post indiehouse. I see Teletronix, but not Audioscape.
How do you like the Stam when compared to the original? I really liked the Stam in shootouts I heard.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 8, 2018 8:11:34 GMT -6
indiehouse wrote: Audioscape vs Stam MKII...I don't understand your post indiehouse. I see Teletronix, but not Audioscape. How do you like the Stam when compared to the original? I really liked the Stam in shootouts I heard. It's an Audioscape with custom graphics. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 8, 2018 10:58:58 GMT -6
indiehouse wrote: Audioscape vs Stam MKII...I don't understand your post indiehouse. I see Teletronix, but not Audioscape. How do you like the Stam when compared to the original? I really liked the Stam in shootouts I heard. It's an Audioscape with custom graphics. Can you tell us a bit about how they compare to each other sonically? Do you have a preference and why? |
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 8, 2018 11:19:10 GMT -6
The most noteable difference is the attack/release, especially the release. The Audioscape release is waaay faster. So, it’s really hard to match them, sonically. Both are very, very good. The Audioscape has the emphasis knob (and just looks cooler). I’d say the Stam is a little thicker sounding and more rolled off on top. The Audioscape is a tad more clear, and again, the release is faster. I think the Stam brings things more forward, probably because it’s got a slower release. Also, the makeup gain is different. Notice I’ve barely got the makeup gain on the Stam open, and it’s almost too much. I don’t like that. I wish it wasn’t so hot on the dial, and worked more like the Audioscape.
...also, it takes longer to type out Audioscape on my phone, than it does Stam, so there’s that.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 8, 2018 12:40:03 GMT -6
Thanks indiehouse. So, for a male lead vocal, let's say in the style of Lyle Lovett, Chris Isaak, Ryan Adams, which one would you prefer?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 12:42:40 GMT -6
I recieved my STAM SA-2A yesterday, can't really tell the difference between it and my LA-2A.. If these do go into full production and distribution I will be sure to buy another one.
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 19, 2018 11:55:53 GMT -6
Ok, so I’ve decided that I need an LA2A! Trying to decide between SA2A (which is probably out of the question due to the delays), Audio-Scape (I’m out of rack space at all so not thrilled about 3U form factor) and Golden Age Comp 2A. Very happy with their 3A and love the form factor, but I fear it might not be “upscale” enough...
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Post by drbill on Aug 19, 2018 12:53:38 GMT -6
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Post by matt on Aug 19, 2018 13:26:52 GMT -6
FYI - KT is coming out with a 2a soon. Already listed on Sweetwater. Wow. Interesting looking piece, might have to try one to see how it compares with my GAP Comp2a, which I like fairly well for parallel vocal comp duty. I've also always wanted to compare it with a real LA2A, but haven't had the chance. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 20, 2018 8:27:16 GMT -6
Can't see them killing off STAM or AUDIOSCAPES . . . and I suspect Bryce is also smart enough to stay ahead of the B-word company |
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Post by drbill on Aug 20, 2018 11:09:49 GMT -6
Can't see them killing off STAM or AUDIOSCAPES . . . and I suspect Bryce is also smart enough to stay ahead of the B-word company No certainly not. All will survive. But Beringer has a history of coming in and taking out the competition, and if those 2a's are good, the price IS going to hurt the competition. Arguably the EQP is better than the warm at substantially less cost. There's zero doubt it took a chunk out of competitors sales. Same with the 76's. Low end cloners are cutting margins like crazy to stay competitive, and it's hard to stay competitive with a company that has a whole city as a factory..... The build in the EQP's is good. I've got a couple. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 20, 2018 11:14:34 GMT -6
Yeah you can't begin to build a one-off LA-2A for that price. Not for double if you value your labor at anything realistic.
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Post by ericn on Aug 20, 2018 12:13:19 GMT -6
Can't see them killing off STAM or AUDIOSCAPES . . . and I suspect Bryce is also smart enough to stay ahead of the B-word company No certainly not. All will survive. But Beringer has a history of coming in and taking out the competition, and if those 2a's are good, the price IS going to hurt the competition. Arguably the EQP is better than the warm at substantially less cost. There's zero doubt it took a chunk out of competitors sales. Same with the 76's. Low end cloners are cutting margins like crazy to stay competitive, and it's hard to stay competitive with a company that has a whole city as a factory..... The build in the EQP's is good. I've got a couple. You forgot what is probably the largest distribution network in the industry and the capital to develop multiple new products at anytime. |
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Post by drbill on Aug 20, 2018 12:20:33 GMT -6
No certainly not. All will survive. But Beringer has a history of coming in and taking out the competition, and if those 2a's are good, the price IS going to hurt the competition. Arguably the EQP is better than the warm at substantially less cost. There's zero doubt it took a chunk out of competitors sales. Same with the 76's. Low end cloners are cutting margins like crazy to stay competitive, and it's hard to stay competitive with a company that has a whole city as a factory..... The build in the EQP's is good. I've got a couple. You forgot what is probably the largest distribution network in the industry and the capital to develop multiple new products at anytime. Yes. And sell product as "loss leaders" to hurt competition and gain marketshare. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 12:35:20 GMT -6
As much as we like to give Behringer flack if anyone can do it they can.. If Stam can make a convincing LA-2A for $899.00, then Behringer doing it for $530.00 (cost price here) isn't unreasonable.
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Post by Ward on Aug 20, 2018 15:28:38 GMT -6
Arguably the EQP is better than the warm at substantially less cost. There's zero doubt it took a chunk out of competitors sales. Same with the 76's. Low end cloners are cutting margins like crazy to stay competitive, and it's hard to stay competitive with a company that has a whole city as a factory..... The build in the EQP's is good. I've got a couple. I admit I also have a pair of them and the build quality is very good . . . I won't comment on which is better, (correction) WARM or KTB |
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Post by drbill on Aug 20, 2018 15:38:26 GMT -6
Arguably the EQP is better than the warm at substantially less cost. There's zero doubt it took a chunk out of competitors sales. Same with the 76's. Low end cloners are cutting margins like crazy to stay competitive, and it's hard to stay competitive with a company that has a whole city as a factory..... The build in the EQP's is good. I've got a couple. I admit I also have a pair of them and the build quality is very good . . . I won't comment on which is better, Stam or KTB I would expect the Stam to be better. Or at least more "versatile" with the mid band. But I'd suspect completely different build esthetic's. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 20, 2018 16:27:28 GMT -6
I admit I also have a pair of them and the build quality is very good . . . I won't comment on which is better, Stam or KTB I would expect the Stam to be better. Or at least more "versatile" with the mid band. But I'd suspect completely different build esthetic's. Sorry I meant to say "Warm or KTB". I am so ashamed of myself now. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 20, 2018 20:37:50 GMT -6
You forgot what is probably the largest distribution network in the industry and the capital to develop multiple new products at anytime. Yes. And sell product as "loss leaders" to hurt competition and gain marketshare. I don’t think Behringer has ever had a loss leader, their map pricing is just to tight, they will cut your balls off for selling below MAP unless your really really careful and smart. No QC - yes, no respect for others intellectual property- yes, loss leader no. They just build it as cheaply as possible, pay crap, and use massive buying power for components. I was once told the one guy who Uli admitted to as a role model was MR Peavey, because of his instance that new products use as many parts values already on the shelf to keep costs down. |
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Post by skav on Oct 15, 2023 3:52:09 GMT -6
Its a few years later, who has an opinion on which LA2A clone to go for these days?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 15, 2023 5:10:59 GMT -6
And Stam has a new one, which I don’t think people have yet ?
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Post by mcirish on Oct 15, 2023 7:32:59 GMT -6
I'm have an AudioScape 76d and a UA reissue. The 76d is used on just about everything. I'd buy it again.
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Post by phdamage on Oct 15, 2023 7:51:57 GMT -6
I can only speak to the Audioscape Opto but it is awesome! Wish I had another
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