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Post by popmann on Feb 9, 2014 21:26:06 GMT -6
I was never down with the series. For me...it's a great DIY standard. I know people in town who have racks of DIY preamps for way cheaper than they could've bought racks. But, for buying prebuilt stuff, it simply isn't significantly cheaper enough to put up with the limitations.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 9, 2014 22:02:18 GMT -6
I have a ton of 19" gear, but How does anyone figure 500's not cheaper??? Try this, U only pay for the PSU and rack once(51x), then u buy 11 pieces without the cost of Power supplies. Example: A splice 500 is $1k, a splice 19" is $1,550.00 x 11= $17,050.00! Or, u pay $6,050.00 less for the 500s of the exact same design minus ps circuitry. Logic would dictate that this applies across the board, and ime it does.
And once again, the assertion that all 500 gear is "limited" is hogwash
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 9, 2014 22:54:43 GMT -6
Yeah - it's DEFINITELY cheaper. Lets say I wanted 4 Neve 1073 pres and two Helios.
500 Series
API Rack - $424
Neve 1073 - $995 x 4
Helios - $1550 x 2
= $7504
19"
Neve DPA - $2995 x 2
Helios 1RU - $3995
= $9985
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Post by lolo on Feb 9, 2014 23:10:28 GMT -6
And no Capi gear in 19''
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Post by BradM on Feb 9, 2014 23:36:33 GMT -6
This new 8 slot API looks like a killer deal to me. Same $424 price tag as the 6, just two extra slots. Plus, everyone works in 8's. Sign me up. I'm really curious to compare the performance of the API 500-6B to the new 8-space rack. The 6-space uses an internal linear supply while the new one uses an outboard SMPS with what appears to be a simple inductor-capacitor filter to clean up the SMPS output. My gut tells me the two are going to sound a little different. Has anyone compared the two? I still think the Purple Sweet Ten is my favorite. 10 spaces, overbuilt internal SMPS and auxiliary I/O. What's not to like? Brad |
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Post by noah shain on Feb 9, 2014 23:55:44 GMT -6
This new 8 slot API looks like a killer deal to me. Same $424 price tag as the 6, just two extra slots. Plus, everyone works in 8's. Sign me up. I'm really curious to compare the performance of the API 500-6B to the new 8-space rack. The 6-space uses an internal linear supply while the new one uses an outboard SMPS with what appears to be a simple inductor-capacitor filter to clean up the SMPS output. My gut tells me the two are going to sound a little different. Has anyone compared the two? I still think the Purple Sweet Ten is my favorite. 10 spaces, overbuilt internal SMPS and auxiliary I/O. What's not to like? Brad I got purples in my place. Solid. And with the option I/O I'm doing some cool stuff with the AWTAC gear. I'm surprised more people aren't designing pieces with additional functionality to take advantage of the option I/O. Andrew is CRUSHING in the 500 series functionality department. His gear is neato. |
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Post by BradM on Feb 10, 2014 0:57:55 GMT -6
Thanks for the reminder...you gave me an idea for something I'm working on.
Brad
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Post by levon on Feb 10, 2014 4:13:18 GMT -6
BWAAAAHHHAAAAAA... No offense, Rick...but we're not big Lindell fans over here. I LOL'd Me too. Don't buy cheap stuff, you get what you pay for. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2014 5:50:27 GMT -6
This new 8 slot API looks like a killer deal to me. Same $424 price tag as the 6, just two extra slots. Plus, everyone works in 8's. Sign me up. I'm really curious to compare the performance of the API 500-6B to the new 8-space rack. The 6-space uses an internal linear supply while the new one uses an outboard SMPS with what appears to be a simple inductor-capacitor filter to clean up the SMPS output. My gut tells me the two are going to sound a little different. Has anyone compared the two? I still think the Purple Sweet Ten is my favorite. 10 spaces, overbuilt internal SMPS and auxiliary I/O. What's not to like? Brad Price. |
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Post by wreck on Feb 10, 2014 13:33:44 GMT -6
I got all pumped about the 8 slot api box but it's dsub only. The dsub to xlr cables are gonna bump it up another $80 for me since I don't have them. Probably still worth it, but not as good of a deal for me as I initially thought.
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Post by winetree on Feb 10, 2014 15:16:37 GMT -6
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Post by winetree on Feb 10, 2014 15:17:57 GMT -6
This is the roll around rack. 4-51X racks with one 16 and 24 volt power supply for each one. My original idea is to have 11 channel strips, but I need to have a few more Compressors and Missing links to complete. I've got 4 G9-500 modules and 2 Igor's Tg-500 modules almost built. There's also a 51X rack and P.S. in the computer room. I guess I'm not over the 500 series yet.  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2014 17:26:45 GMT -6
This is the roll around rack. 4-51X racks with one 16 and 24 volt power supply for each one. My original idea is to have 11 channel strips, but I need to have a few more Compressors and Missing links to complete. I've got 4 G9-500 modules and 2 Igor's Tg-500 modules almost built. There's also a 51X rack and P.S. in the computer room. I guess I'm not over the 500 series yet. Winetree, ur rack is sick looking bro! U would need two full size refridge racks to handle that much stuff in 19" standard, and u still have room to fill! Sweet |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2014 17:55:21 GMT -6
Ooo. What is Igor's TG?
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Post by acegunn on Feb 10, 2014 18:12:46 GMT -6
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Post by winetree on Feb 10, 2014 21:13:42 GMT -6
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Post by Randge on Feb 15, 2014 13:08:35 GMT -6
The problems almost always are power supply related. I won't buy any of the most affordable 500 series things out there as most have made a short cut somewhere to be so affordable. I am going to have RTZ make me a power supply soon. His supply will power 3 of his 10 slot racks and keep all of my 500 series modules cool while it does it. As you all know, heat is the enemy of anything electronic. His racks cost more than everyone else's but they are also worth the extra cost in the end when you aren't replacing $70.00 opamps plus tech costs in every thing that you've racked. I personally love the 500 series as I too have lots of big bulky 3-8 space pieces of gear. New advancements in technology have some of the modules sounding quite extraordinary and the space savings is a no brainer. Still a big fan here.
R
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2014 15:59:22 GMT -6
I was just testing the new tube in my Sta last night and I noticed I was getting some distortion on top with my Helios. At first I thought it was the tube...but I took the sta out of the chain, pulled the input gain on the Helios down and I was still getting it...there was obviously something wrong. Pulled out one 500 unit and the headroom was back...Crap. I assume that's a power issue I've had problems with my older Brent Averill Power Supply where slots wouldn't work sometimes, some units (Anamod 660) flipping a "breaker" switch on the slot...it has definitely been flaky. I've emailed BAE to see if a new PS would solve this. That's $200...which is cheaper than buying any new rack. I don't really need more than 6 spaces for what I do here...most of the slots would stay empty - or worse - would get filled  . Anyway - does that sound like a PS thing to you guys? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 15, 2014 16:33:11 GMT -6
I was just testing the new tube in my Sta last night and I noticed I was getting some distortion on top with my Helios. At first I thought it was the tube...but I took the sta out of the chain, pulled the input gain on the Helios down and I was still getting it...there was obviously something wrong. Pulled out one 500 unit and the headroom was back...Crap. I assume that's a power issue I've had problems with my older Brent Averill Power Supply where slots wouldn't work sometimes, some units (Anamod 660) flipping a "breaker" switch on the slot...it has definitely been flaky. I've emailed BAE to see if a new PS would solve this. That's $200...which is cheaper than buying any new rack. I don't really need more than 6 spaces for what I do here...most of the slots would stay empty - or worse - would get filled . Anyway - does that sound like a PS thing to you guys? Go 51x JK, it's a solid investment, u won't regret it, it'll have a ton of headroom electronically and gear variety, including 24v stuff! Btw sounds like ps issues for sure to me |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2014 17:17:19 GMT -6
No offense to Jeff, but if I can buy a PS that will fix the problem, that's the way I have to go financially.
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Post by unit7 on Feb 15, 2014 17:44:39 GMT -6
I've been looking at the title of this thread with a little amusement as I'm fairly new (1 yr) to the 500 game and kind of peaking. Really enjoy some units I'd probably never go for in rack format: Elysia nvelope, API style eqs, TBDD chorus, 1176 REV A. Now with only two empty slots left and four incoming Colour units I've been thinking about how to proceed and just found the perfect solution - the classic API 6 slot lunchbox! I have a perfect spot for it and the Colour units, and it's also good for occasional simple recording sessions at location or at somebody's home etc bringing a mic, an XLR cable and a VP28.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 15, 2014 17:56:56 GMT -6
No offense to Jeff, but if I can buy a PS that will fix the problem, that's the way I have to go financially. U could always get a qualified electronics enthusiast to rebuild the PSU u have to a higher standard? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2014 18:13:45 GMT -6
jsteiger There's a 6 slot CAPI lunchbox?
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Post by jsteiger on Feb 15, 2014 18:40:06 GMT -6
jsteiger There's a 6 slot CAPI lunchbox? Hmmm, not that I know of  |
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Post by grummy on Feb 15, 2014 19:40:26 GMT -6
What about an 8 slot though? Jeff's got these: classicapi.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=137_140_149_153&products_id=266Or even better he's got them in 51x too!!! classicapi.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=137_140_150_158&products_id=365If you used one of his powersupplies with one of the 508s then you'd never have to worry about power again. classicapi.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=176_178 Once I build my JLM LA500 and pair of DIY Studer EQ's I'll have filled a lunchbox and my 508. I'll probably buy a second 508 after that In which case I'm only paying for the 508 and a few extra parts here. The powersupply for the first 508 is more than beefy enough to handle 8 51x & 8 500 series. Since I originally purchased my 508 with 500 series connectors and then bought some 51x to use. I've already got the 500 series connectors ready. Then I'll have 8 slots of 51x & 8 500 series. Then I can either sell my 6 space lunchbox or keep it around for a portable rig. If I need to track anything out of the studio all I need to do is plop whatever I need (500 only) into the LB to do out of house tracking. Then I don't need to mess with my patching here. I doubt I'll be able to afford Jeff's console all at once when it's ready but if I buy the 508s bit by bit along the way, once the rest of the console is ready I'll have a handful of pieces to my puzzle. I still need to get some vp28s, one more each of a vp26 a vp312, and of coarse at least a pair of Jeff's LC53As & perhaps a pair of the 553Fs. Bit by bit. If I never get to the finished console I'm happy to use the 508's as 8 space LBs. If I wasn't a dreamer of the console idea I'd have just gone the 51x rack rout. If I wasn't into DIY then the Radial Workhorse with it's extras would be my choice. If you REALLY only need 6 spaces and don't need extra summing then the Radial 6 space might be something to peek at. |
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. Anyway - does that sound like a PS thing to you guys? 
