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Post by gabygab2 on Jun 28, 2018 18:21:43 GMT -6
Hi everyone! First: thanks for being such a great community! Second: if this topic has already been addressed or is irrelevant please kill this thread  Third: I'd like to start diversifying my mic locker a bit. I record mostly folky type music. Lots of vocal harmonies and acoustic guitar, mando, banjo, upright bass, and all the like. The mics I end up using the most are a Miktek C7 on vocals and pairs of Beyerdynamic MC930 and Oktava Mk-012 for the instruments. Seeing as I record many female vocalists I figured a C12-like microphone would be fun to add to my tools. I do this part time so I cannot afford to spend thousands of $ on a mic. I was wondering if any one had heard of and or used the Nude C-12 www.nudemicrophones.com/products/nude-c12-cloneIt's $570 AUD which seems very reasonable for a tube mic. I've considered getting a kit from microphone-parts but the exchange rate from USD to CAD is pretty rough right now. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks very much! Cheers! |
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Post by timcampbell on Jun 28, 2018 18:51:00 GMT -6
I'd just point out that their website mentions that it uses a center terminated capsule. This is a major departure from a vintage C12.
Its almost impossible to acheive a CK12 capsule's freq. response with a center terminated capsule.
Another point would be that they've chosen a 12AX7 tube. It my experience 12AX7 tubes may be one of the worst choices for microphones.
Add to this that all these components are probably of chinese manufacture and I'd guess that the top end is quite rough. Just the opposite of what you're looking for. I'd suggest keeping your eyes out for a used, edge terminated capsule tube mic in the same price category and perhaps change the tube.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 28, 2018 18:59:37 GMT -6
Otherwise known as straight from the horse’s mouth:)
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Post by Ward on Jun 28, 2018 19:17:38 GMT -6
Well, Hi-5 to timcampbell for shining on a light on the facts here!! |
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Post by ericn on Jun 28, 2018 19:25:51 GMT -6
I'd just point out that their website mentions that it uses a center terminated capsule. This is a major departure from a vintage C12. Its almost impossible to acheive a CK12 capsule's freq. response with a center terminated capsule. Another point would be that they've chosen a 12AX7 tube. It my experience 12AX7 tubes may be one of the worst choices for microphones. Add to this that all these components are probably of chinese manufacture and I'd guess that the top end is quite rough. Just the opposite of what you're looking for. I'd suggest keeping your eyes out for a used, edge terminated capsule tube mic in the same price category and perhaps change the tube. So Tim what your saying is he might have found the one mic with C12 in the world that sounds less like a C12 than a C12VR 😁 |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 28, 2018 19:48:31 GMT -6
Look for a used Telefunken AR51 if you want something in the ballpark of a C12.
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Post by gabygab2 on Jun 28, 2018 19:57:12 GMT -6
I'd just point out that their website mentions that it uses a center terminated capsule. This is a major departure from a vintage C12. Its almost impossible to acheive a CK12 capsule's freq. response with a center terminated capsule. Another point would be that they've chosen a 12AX7 tube. It my experience 12AX7 tubes may be one of the worst choices for microphones. Add to this that all these components are probably of chinese manufacture and I'd guess that the top end is quite rough. Just the opposite of what you're looking for. I'd suggest keeping your eyes out for a used, edge terminated capsule tube mic in the same price category and perhaps change the tube. I'm very glad I posted here. Thanks very much for the response! I guess I was seduced by the name. I'll keep an eye out. I'm afraid that with my budget I will have to settle for chinese manufacturing, which I have nothing against. I just want a nice sounding mic. Thanks again! |
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Post by gabygab2 on Jun 28, 2018 20:05:46 GMT -6
Look for a used Telefunken AR51 if you want something in the ballpark of a C12. Thanks! I'll be on the lookout. I'm not necessarily looking for authenticity, just something that sounds nice for female vocals so I figured a C12-like mic would be good. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 28, 2018 20:19:17 GMT -6
The AR51 has that smooth thing on top that's in the C12 family. There may be others that are even better or lower priced, but I'm not familiar. I've tried a few new mics recently. You might want to look around a bit at mics not necessarily in the C12 style. The Lewitt LCT 640S sounds fantastic, a lot like a 414, but with a sweeter deeper low end, and it's under 1K. The Warm Audio WA47 is quite nice, and worth a listen for sure. The Roswell Delphos is a great all arounder, in the general U87 direction, but different in a good way. All under 1k. You might want to check into Stam Audio's mic line, they're seriously good.
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Post by jtc111 on Jun 28, 2018 20:24:23 GMT -6
Female voices sound wonderful on my Blue Kiwi. They can be had on the used market for $1000.
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Post by wiz on Jun 28, 2018 20:47:39 GMT -6
I have a stellar cm5 rthat works great in this role...and when paired with a modified Urei LA4 is fantastic
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by mulmany on Jun 28, 2018 21:05:54 GMT -6
If you are looking for good budget mics, you could have a look at the 3U mics, the GZ251 is a great option, just no tube.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 28, 2018 21:45:09 GMT -6
If you are looking for good budget mics, you could have a look at the 3U mics, the GZ251 is a great option, just no tube. And if the OP is really looking for a C12 sound, he might even consider the Warbler mk III, which I believe is meant to be even closer to the C12 sound. (Albeit, again, no tube.) |
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Post by ragan on Jun 28, 2018 22:18:43 GMT -6
Although 3U does make tube versions of both those mics if you want 'em (well, the GZ12, not the MKIII...same voicing though just the premium version). I think they come in over $1k though. Maybe $1200 or something.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 28, 2018 23:00:31 GMT -6
If you do diy check out the studio 939 kit and you can order a Tim Campbell authentic cap.
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Post by hadaja on Jun 29, 2018 2:55:01 GMT -6
+1 for Stellar brand
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Post by Ward on Jun 29, 2018 5:10:53 GMT -6
Female voices sound wonderful on my Blue Kiwi. They can be had on the used market for $1000. He's right, you know. But track or mix with a de-esser set to about 6.2K with a lot of cut available when needed. A kiwi can be quite sibilant to begin with, but with a sibilant singer? You have to find a solution! But a great microphone for Femvox and I love mine too! |
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 29, 2018 5:12:30 GMT -6
Also, the Vanguard V-13 has a c12 like tone and sweetness and it isn’t a million dollars
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Post by Guitar on Jun 29, 2018 7:30:53 GMT -6
Maybe also look at Advanced Audio, they seem to excel in this price bracket.
I haven't owned one, but I'd like to try some of theirs.
They at least appear to bridge the gap between the budget stuff, and the $1,000+++ kinds of things.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 29, 2018 7:36:26 GMT -6
I've never really heard anyone talk about the 3U tube mics. Buy one and report back for us! Also, Chris at Barbaric Amplification will build you a C12 style tube mic. (Disclosure, I do some work for him and also own three Barbaric mics). |
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Post by gabygab2 on Jun 29, 2018 9:54:35 GMT -6
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 29, 2018 9:56:50 GMT -6
3U is legit. I have a matched paid of MKIDs and two pairs of the Warbler 127 c flats. I love those mics.
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 29, 2018 12:47:08 GMT -6
95% of the sound is from the capsule on the C12's Ela 251's etc. There are a lot of options out there that have the same circuit design for the C12/251, it's just the capsule that makes or breaks it. Shannon and I did a joint project a few years ago, I dimed out the circuit and Shannon designed a custom CK12 capsule. Running a black plate tube it would match a vintage 251 and Shannon would micro dial the capsule in at the studio and then you were beyond the vintage mic. I think we could had sold that mic complete for under $2k and would had been able to put a good profit in our pockets. Problem was Shannon got too busy with his business and I got too busy editing and mixing so it just never took off. A few folks on here got one I think, but there were only a few, that we did together at least. Also, the beauty of grabbing a C12 is you can have someone do a simple mod that will let you flip between a C12 and a Ela 251 with one switch, just have to know the right people |
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Post by bigbone on Jun 29, 2018 13:07:46 GMT -6
Not in the C12 family but a nice mic, have you look at the Sure SM7 ( not SM57)
a great mic for under 500$.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 29, 2018 18:25:24 GMT -6
For a little more I would look at an Advanced Audio CM12 or a Peluso P12. I’m a fan of the BLUE Kiwi too, probably more so than the CM12. It is kind of in this vein sonically. This mic looks like an Avantone CV12.
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