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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 6:03:16 GMT -6
I can't stand the dynamic "effects" of the digital compressors with dysfunctional side chains. There is no control or following the peaks or the rms of the audio because they can't see it. They can't even shape the envelopes or level effectively without crazy holds, becoming a glorified fader rider, because they can't see the real peaks of the audio. This is in spite of many of them producing only analog levels of THD at 1khz. They behave much worse than analog. They're just disgusting. The amount of digital compressors that past muster is shockingly small and nothing old in software form. Nothing. I never was disappointed by FLA, BRA, KLH + TDL… I am disappointed by some of the PA compressors. On some sources the MC PURPLE sounds extremely grainy compared to the HW and to the BRA 76…. The PA Purple sounds like a clipper. Also the BX_console dynamics all impose some kind of artificial snap on the signal. More of a special effect than utility compressor/limiter. |
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Post by Guitar on Sept 27, 2021 14:00:56 GMT -6
I just bought Sonnox EQ on impulse since digital EQ's are my favorite kind of plugins.  Anyway I was hoping it wouldn't be useless to add to the many I already have, and it's not! It was immediately more punchy sounding than the SSL X-EQ2 and ToneBoosters I had used in the mix, replaced them all with Oxford EQ. Those two can be on the smooth side of things. Yeah I made some different moves, but those softer EQ's have their place, and these punchier sounding EQ's also have their place! This is a loose and grimey rock type song that needs to be aggressive and the Sony was perfect here. I beat my old mix in no time. So yeah I'm really impressed with this very old, but very good EQ. It also has two more bands than the MDWEQ6 I often use, since the filters are separate from the peaking and shelf filters. I just wish the bands would automatically turn on when you grab a knob. You have to manually push the "IN" button, if you're not using the graph points dragging method. I guess that's a minor complaint. I also wish the GUI had a bigger size option. |
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Post by viciousbliss on Sept 30, 2021 15:54:23 GMT -6
Started using the Oxford Eq filters. Definitely the best results I've ever gotten using filters. Take junk out that I don't need and leaves the good stuff. Too many times with others it sounded like the foundation was taken out or like the music couldn't breathe.
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Post by Guitar on Sept 30, 2021 17:08:33 GMT -6
I just got TransMod too!
It works on a drum track here that PA SPL wasn't really doing anything for, somehow it was able to catch the same transients that SPL was missing.
Using Oxford EQ in every mix now too, I really like that thing for rock music.
Inflator has been making these punk mixes as well, so Sonnox is well represented for me today.
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Post by ab101 on Sept 30, 2021 18:25:06 GMT -6
Transmod only $39 at audiodeluxe website but I believe sale ends today. I have been wanting it for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 23:01:03 GMT -6
Transmod is clean and very easy to use. I like to get it banging and then "overdrive" away the crazier overshoots. All the Sonnox Oxford distortion options sound cool for such old plugs.
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Post by viciousbliss on Jun 17, 2022 12:30:26 GMT -6
You guys think there's a need for Supresser if I already have the Weiss De-Esser?
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Post by sirthought on Sept 22, 2022 18:18:50 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Sept 22, 2022 20:17:00 GMT -6
Damn if this isn’t making me want to take a road trip to Madison and visit the guy at Wisc just to play with the real Oxford, it’s been so long!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 21:31:00 GMT -6
Fun limiter. Cool sound. Claro is on sale too there now. Oxford Type 3 Neve ish and SSL G ish curves in a very useful interface. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2022 1:40:45 GMT -6
Transmod does what nothing else can.
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Post by bossanova on Oct 13, 2022 10:04:14 GMT -6
I can't stand the dynamic "effects" of the digital compressors with dysfunctional side chains. There is no control or following the peaks or the rms of the audio because they can't see it. They can't even shape the envelopes or level effectively without crazy holds, becoming a glorified fader rider, because they can't see the real peaks of the audio. This is in spite of many of them producing only analog levels of THD at 1khz. They behave much worse than analog. They're just disgusting. The amount of digital compressors that past muster is shockingly small and nothing old in software form. Nothing. I never was disappointed by FLA, BRA, KLH + TDL… I am disappointed by some of the PA compressors. On some sources the MC PURPLE sounds extremely grainy compared to the HW and to the BRA 76…. I noticed this about Purple a couple weeks ago when shooting out with UAD, and now I can’t really un-hear it. It was just mangling the tone of the vocal when used at standard 76 settings. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 13, 2022 13:42:54 GMT -6
I never was disappointed by FLA, BRA, KLH + TDL… I am disappointed by some of the PA compressors. On some sources the MC PURPLE sounds extremely grainy compared to the HW and to the BRA 76…. I noticed this about Purple a couple weeks ago when shooting out with UAD, and now I can’t really un-hear it. It was just mangling the tone of the vocal when used at standard 76 settings. Do remember the hardware MC77 isn’t a true classic clone of any of the 1176. The MC 77 was Andrew’s personal take on the 1176 when you couldn’t get the attenuators. Unlike UA who simply changed the design Andrew felt he couldn’t sell The MC 76 without it. I have found the 77 to be a bit grainy compared to the 2 MC 76’s I once owned. So if the MC77 plugin sounded exactly like a 1176 the developers would have failed. |
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Post by viciousbliss on Oct 15, 2022 4:03:22 GMT -6
Just a heads up. I had to do a cross country move with minimal time or support and lost my Ilok2. Then after I gave up looking for it and got an Ilok3, I got an email from Sonnox saying if I wanted to restore the licenses, I had to pay them 10 pounds per license. Luckily I still had an activation left. I'm going to seriously consider not buying their products anymore. But, if the pound keeps losing value, it'll be extremely cheap to buy the replacement licenses with dollars at some point. But who knows what's gonna happen with these currencies. With plugins, we have to pay attention since some places only accept one currency.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 15, 2022 5:26:05 GMT -6
10£ per license seems dear.
Did you discuss with ilok, isn’t quick replacement what its insurance is for ?
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Post by viciousbliss on Oct 15, 2022 21:51:30 GMT -6
10£ per license seems dear. Did you discuss with ilok, isn’t quick replacement what its insurance is for ? I did the Ilok report. They contact all the companies for you. Sonnox sent me this custom order list and I thought it was strange since I hadn't asked for a quote on a custom order. Then I find out that it's for license replacement. No other company does this. I don't know if the ZDT that you pay for gets around these fees. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 16, 2022 2:36:32 GMT -6
This seems a new process/cost.
I had ilok help a while back and the plug companies just reissued licenses: no cost,but took time.
Its insurance speeds the process up, I thought 24 hours?
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 16, 2022 4:05:11 GMT -6
Just a heads up. I had to do a cross country move with minimal time or support and lost my Ilok2. Then after I gave up looking for it and got an Ilok3, I got an email from Sonnox saying if I wanted to restore the licenses, I had to pay them 10 pounds per license. Luckily I still had an activation left. I'm going to seriously consider not buying their products anymore. But, if the pound keeps losing value, it'll be extremely cheap to buy the replacement licenses with dollars at some point. But who knows what's gonna happen with these currencies. With plugins, we have to pay attention since some places only accept one currency. Does ZDT not cover this? And, relatively speaking, though I get it’s really annoying from a principle point of view, £10 a license isn’t too bad when you consider a pint and a bag of crisps these days is almost £10! Company’s have admin, website hosting blah blah blah, I too make small charges for extra services as it helps the balance sheet a bit. I don’t think I’d abandon Sonnox over this, if you really love their plug-ins. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 16, 2022 4:07:33 GMT -6
I wonder if its just Sonnox,i didn’t have any charges a few years ago.
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Post by jaba on Nov 13, 2022 12:13:43 GMT -6
Planning on picking up the drum gate before the sale ends this month.
Not sure I really need anything else but remember hearing Inflator can do some nice things to master or drum busses.
Any thoughts on that plug?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 13:27:16 GMT -6
Planning on picking up the drum gate before the sale ends this month. Not sure I really need anything else but remember hearing Inflator can do some nice things to master or drum busses. Any thoughts on that plug?
The Oxford Drum Gate is Sonnox's best plugin.
Inflator is just an old, gritty multiband static waveshaper. It still sounds pretty cool but should be like 10-30 bucks imo. It's just dirty old digital from 20 years ago.
Oxford EQ and Dynamics are still good but old and not my favorites. Low CPU because they're ancient algorithms. The dynamics smoothing filter radically imposes itself on the signal unless carefully set and it can be rather hard and forcing sounding. The EQ has the insanely aggressive mode 1 and the super smooth mode 4 which is a parametric, almost equal power proportional Q like an API 550.
Oxford Dynamic EQ is very good but again overpriced and not as flexible as TDR Nova GE.
The transient shapers are very cool. Both Transmod and Envolution are great and neither can replace the other. Transmod can work when nothing else will. Envolution is for finer tweaking but doesn't work on some material.
Oxford Limiter is super cool and very unique. I like it more as a fast colored bus compressor than as a mastering limiter. I'd rather use the PSP Xenon or TDR Limiter 6 GE to take a couple db off. The tone does no favors for a lot of material so it cannot be your only limiter or bus compressor. It plasticizes a lot of metal guitars and can make recordings sound plastic and dated to the 2000s. Throw in some Empirical Labs and Waves stuff for Fischer Price sound.
The Oxford Reverb is great at small, sparse spaces. It's still very unique sounding and isn't horribly offensive like bx_rooms or Valhalla Vintage Verb.
Vox Doubler is interesting but only does one thing if you need it to do that vs just a normal delay.
The codec plugins are interesting but whatever.
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Post by jaba on Nov 13, 2022 13:46:58 GMT -6
Planning on picking up the drum gate before the sale ends this month. Not sure I really need anything else but remember hearing Inflator can do some nice things to master or drum busses. Any thoughts on that plug?
The Oxford Drum Gate is Sonnox's best plugin.
Inflator is just an old, gritty multiband static waveshaper. It still sounds pretty cool but should be like 10-30 bucks imo. It's just dirty old digital from 20 years ago.
Oxford EQ and Dynamics are still good but old and not my favorites. Low CPU because they're ancient algorithms. The dynamics smoothing filter radically imposes itself on the signal unless carefully set and it can be rather hard and forcing sounding. The EQ has the insanely aggressive mode 1 and the super smooth mode 4 which is a parametric, almost equal power proportional Q like an API 550.
Oxford Dynamic EQ is very good but again overpriced and not as flexible as TDR Nova GE.
The transient shapers are very cool. Both Transmod and Envolution are great and neither can replace the other. Transmod can work when nothing else will. Envolution is for finer tweaking but doesn't work on some material.
Oxford Limiter is super cool and very unique. I like it more as a fast colored bus compressor than as a mastering limiter. I'd rather use the PSP Xenon or TDR Limiter 6 GE to take a couple db off. The tone does no favors for a lot of material so it cannot be your only limiter or bus compressor. It plasticizes a lot of metal guitars and can make recordings sound plastic and dated to the 2000s. Throw in some Empirical Labs and Waves stuff for Fischer Price sound.
The Oxford Reverb is great at small, sparse spaces. It's still very unique sounding and isn't horribly offensive like bx_rooms or Valhalla Vintage Verb.
Vox Doubler is interesting but only does one thing if you need it to do that vs just a normal delay.
The codec plugins are interesting but whatever.
Thanks. I think I'm covered for most of my needs (got most of the TDR stuff anyway) so will likely just stick with the gate. I'm not a by-default drum gate guy but have a project coming up that will likely need some and I've heard great thing about the Sonnox. Curious - what makes Transmod so unique? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 14:27:49 GMT -6
The Oxford Drum Gate is Sonnox's best plugin.
Inflator is just an old, gritty multiband static waveshaper. It still sounds pretty cool but should be like 10-30 bucks imo. It's just dirty old digital from 20 years ago.
Oxford EQ and Dynamics are still good but old and not my favorites. Low CPU because they're ancient algorithms. The dynamics smoothing filter radically imposes itself on the signal unless carefully set and it can be rather hard and forcing sounding. The EQ has the insanely aggressive mode 1 and the super smooth mode 4 which is a parametric, almost equal power proportional Q like an API 550.
Oxford Dynamic EQ is very good but again overpriced and not as flexible as TDR Nova GE.
The transient shapers are very cool. Both Transmod and Envolution are great and neither can replace the other. Transmod can work when nothing else will. Envolution is for finer tweaking but doesn't work on some material.
Oxford Limiter is super cool and very unique. I like it more as a fast colored bus compressor than as a mastering limiter. I'd rather use the PSP Xenon or TDR Limiter 6 GE to take a couple db off. The tone does no favors for a lot of material so it cannot be your only limiter or bus compressor. It plasticizes a lot of metal guitars and can make recordings sound plastic and dated to the 2000s. Throw in some Empirical Labs and Waves stuff for Fischer Price sound.
The Oxford Reverb is great at small, sparse spaces. It's still very unique sounding and isn't horribly offensive like bx_rooms or Valhalla Vintage Verb.
Vox Doubler is interesting but only does one thing if you need it to do that vs just a normal delay.
The codec plugins are interesting but whatever.
Thanks. I think I'm covered for most of my needs (got most of the TDR stuff anyway) so will likely just stick with the gate. I'm not a by-default drum gate guy but have a project coming up that will likely need some and I've heard great thing about the Sonnox. Curious - what makes Transmod so unique? Transmod gets transients and overshoots from recordings that come to you slammed where other transient shapers do nothing. Paul Frindle is a genius. |
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Post by ab101 on Nov 13, 2022 15:04:49 GMT -6
If the transmod goes down to $39 again, it is a good deal. Right now it is about 50% off at $78. (Maybe someone has found it for less.)
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Post by viciousbliss on Mar 8, 2023 22:20:29 GMT -6
Audiodeluxe has Transmod for $39, Supresser at $61, and Dynamic EQ for $67. I'm going to get the Transmod myself.
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