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Post by klauth on Nov 25, 2017 17:16:20 GMT -6
I've been using 3 u47 FETs on the rack and floors, Anyone else running hi end Tom mics?
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Post by drbill on Nov 25, 2017 17:23:37 GMT -6
84's sometimes but I prefer the Oktava (modded) 219PE's usually.
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Post by Steamy Williams on Nov 25, 2017 17:24:29 GMT -6
It's not as high end U47 FETs, but I've been using 3x C414EB's for toms for a while now (with nylon capsules, not brass ones).
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Post by joseph on Nov 25, 2017 17:34:48 GMT -6
E22s'.
I bet the 47fets sound pretty cool though!
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Post by spindrift on Nov 25, 2017 18:05:43 GMT -6
Let’s not forget the holy grail Tom Tom mic:
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Post by rowmat on Nov 25, 2017 18:14:14 GMT -6
Let’s not forget the holy grail Tom Tom mic: I see about $60k-$70k of 251's based on current vintage pricing. I guess he drew the line at sticking a 251 on the cowbell!
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Post by notneeson on Nov 25, 2017 18:16:17 GMT -6
421s when that's what's available, but have really dug Blue Dragonflies (rotating capsule is cool for placement) and KSM 44s.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 25, 2017 19:44:23 GMT -6
414 is about the only one here that ever ends up on a tom, UMT70 has at some point I'm sure. Usually RE-38's, sometimes 421 or RE-20, something that doesn't need a pad.
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Post by adamjbrass on Nov 25, 2017 20:41:41 GMT -6
Josephson e22s is my favorite
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Post by c0rtland on Nov 25, 2017 20:47:05 GMT -6
421's. E22s, 87's, d19's. Nothing about half the time though.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 26, 2017 12:35:22 GMT -6
I've been using 3 u47 FETs on the rack and floors, Anyone else running hi end Tom mics? I don't use conventional tom mics for recording anymore, but my front of kit and (ft) side of kit micvs are Pearlman TM-1s. Drums generally sound more like drums when the mics have a little distance.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 26, 2017 12:39:47 GMT -6
421s when that's what's available, but have really dug Blue Dragonflies (rotating capsule is cool for placement) and KSM 44s. There's a really, really serious problem with 421s, which is that the off-axis sound is so bad that using them on toms makes everything else in the kit sound terrible. I'll use them live on really loud bands, but never for recording.
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Post by Ward on Nov 26, 2017 13:22:06 GMT -6
421s sound fantastic but the bleed is unbearable and the off-axis leakage is amazing., AMAZINGLY BAD! But they are perfect on the bottom heads of toms, flipped phase of course. I put them through ƒ428 mark 1 preamps.
57s make toms sound like rubbermaid tubs . . . just don't.
The CAD 179 multi pattern condensers are GREAT and cheap but they sure do break easily.
favorites these days are Neumann U89s - for top heads. About 7-9" off, aimed at the center of the tom (looking through the head into the center point) - into API 3412 pre's
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Post by rowmat on Nov 26, 2017 13:38:21 GMT -6
We mostly use Heil PR31BW's which are a compact version of the PR30's.
Although the Audio Technica ATM25 often gets a look in on floor tom.
I have enough KM84's to do toms and snare but I'm somewhat reluctant to risk all my 84's getting trashed in one session by a drummer on meth.
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Post by sean on Nov 26, 2017 14:29:28 GMT -6
Really like my e22s on toms, but only have one at the moment. 414 or CAD M177 usually go on the other tom for me. I've used U87s when they aren't mine
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Post by Guitar on Nov 26, 2017 15:07:33 GMT -6
I've enjoyed an M88TG or an MD441 on toms from time to time.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 26, 2017 23:02:03 GMT -6
Beyer M201s are great tom mics and not very expensive, if you really MUST individually mic toms. I've come to mostly dislike close micing toms in general, it never really sounds natural because up close the mic can't pick up the whole head, never mind shell tone.
201s are also great inside single headed toms...
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Post by donr on Nov 27, 2017 0:05:22 GMT -6
Beyer M201s are great tom mics and not very expensive, if you really MUST individually mic toms. I've come to mostly dislike close micing toms in general, it never really sounds natural because up close the mic can't pick up the whole head, never mind shell tone. 201s are also great inside single headed toms... I'm not a pro AE and I've never mic'd a drum kit with more than four mics. In my experience as a pop recording artist, with engineers putting a microphone on every drum.. Almost always, the tom mics are gated except when they get hit. And the mic is only used to augment the hit and/or trigger the 'verb. Except for the gates, much the same with the snare mic. Of course you want it, to have fine control of the kit balance, but you'll never get a snare drum sound by only mic'ing the batter head. OP Klath, how do you mix the kit, and how much tom mics do you use when they're not being hit?
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Post by klauth on Nov 27, 2017 0:49:21 GMT -6
OP Klath, how do you mix the kit, and how much tom mics do you use when they're not being hit? I mix per the vibe of the song. I never do a recall(because its how I felt it should be at that moment)And I run all toms through gates with about -10 db so I still get some natural bleed.
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Post by joseph on Nov 27, 2017 10:26:37 GMT -6
I also gate toms if the cymbals get crazy at around -10db. Too much and you lose some of the extra dimension of the snare, provided you have mics with good off axis coloration. Regardless, I also like to keep tom mics very low in the mix and rely mostly on overheads. I really hate that live venue super scooped punchy sound.
Worth noting that lots of great drum recordings have been done without overheads per se, but instead with room or FOK mics and cymbal bleed into tom mics.
Also good recordings where the tom mics create just a little space panned about halfway with a mono overhead.
Whatever works.
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Post by Ward on Nov 27, 2017 11:24:10 GMT -6
Really like my e22s on toms, but only have one at the moment. 414 or CAD M177 usually go on the other tom for me. I've used U87s when they aren't mine What's the diff between CAD177 and CAD 179 ?
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Post by svart on Nov 27, 2017 12:57:23 GMT -6
We mostly use Heil PR31BW's which are a compact version of the PR30's. Although the Audio Technica ATM25 often gets a look in on floor tom. I have enough KM84's to do toms and snare but I'm somewhat reluctant to risk all my 84's getting trashed in one session by a drummer on meth. I exclusively use ATM25's on toms. I bought a bunch of them 10+years ago before they started commanding crazy prices. I guess now they could be considered high-end based on price alone!
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Post by rowmat on Nov 27, 2017 13:18:07 GMT -6
We mostly use Heil PR31BW's which are a compact version of the PR30's. Although the Audio Technica ATM25 often gets a look in on floor tom. I have enough KM84's to do toms and snare but I'm somewhat reluctant to risk all my 84's getting trashed in one session by a drummer on meth. I exclusively use ATM25's on toms. I bought a bunch of them 10+years ago before they started commanding crazy prices. I guess now they could be considered high-end based on price alone! Are you aware that ATM25's are still available brand new from Japan and always have been? They were never actually discontinued but for some reason AT stopped exporting them outside of Japan. There's plenty of new ATM25's on eBay being sold by Japanese music retailers but only out of Japan. I can vouch they are the genuine article as I bought one about 2 years ago and so did a friend after he initially didn't believe they were still available. You can get a new ATM25 from Japan for around $240 USD plus shipping.
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Post by svart on Nov 27, 2017 13:25:23 GMT -6
I exclusively use ATM25's on toms. I bought a bunch of them 10+years ago before they started commanding crazy prices. I guess now they could be considered high-end based on price alone! Are you aware that ATM25's are still available brand new from Japan and always have been? They were never actually discontinued but for some reason AT stopped exporting them outside of Japan. There's plenty of new ATM25's on eBay being sold by Japanese music retailers but only out of Japan. I can vouch they are the genuine article as I bought one about 2 years ago and so did a friend after he initially didn't believe they were still available. You can get a new ATM25 from Japan for around $240 USD plus shipping. Yeah I saw that. I was buying them for like 30$ a piece back in the day though... I have 5 of them, so I doubt I'll need more, but they make rocking tom mics though.
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Post by rowmat on Nov 27, 2017 13:33:14 GMT -6
Are you aware that ATM25's are still available brand new from Japan and always have been? They were never actually discontinued but for some reason AT stopped exporting them outside of Japan. There's plenty of new ATM25's on eBay being sold by Japanese music retailers but only out of Japan. I can vouch they are the genuine article as I bought one about 2 years ago and so did a friend after he initially didn't believe they were still available. You can get a new ATM25 from Japan for around $240 USD plus shipping. Yeah I saw that. I was buying them for like 30$ a piece back in the day though... I have 5 of them, so I doubt I'll need more, but they make rocking tom mics though. The crazy thing is I still see eBay buyers get into bidding wars over used ATM25's and see some going for up to $200 or more. It appears few are aware they can be bought brand new for not much more.
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